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Are you serious?
Two professionals are asking for constructive feedback to improve their casting, and this is what you post?
On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
And you continue:
On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting
And then a ninja edit that I somewhat doubt will help you
On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You are being a total dick here dude.. I would edit that post of yours out if I was you, think about it and then maybe write a new one, where you actually put words on what you think can be improved. If you can't do that, no reason to post at all.
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On October 11 2011 17:20 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 17:15 gwaihir wrote:On October 11 2011 17:13 Hokay wrote:On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You add zero constructive criticism on how HD could improve or why he is "bad". Basically you're just saying "YOU SUCK" and just using the "honesty" as an excuse to bash. thats bullshit. i mentioned the game sense, the overhyping and how he pulls down painuser. and im not a caster myself so i have no idea how he could improve effectivly, if he wants to know that he should ask day9 or artosis and not simple TL users like us.... WE ARE THE VIEWERS. We are the people he is providing content to. Asking us is perfectly logical.
you dont get it...i meant EFFECTIVE ways to improve SPECIFIC things. so do you know how to professionally improve casting skills? DO YOU? no, just like all the other none casters. there is a different thing between simple feedback, which he can ofc ask us, and professional tips! ....mb you should just keep quiet, you dont know what you are writing here
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On October 11 2011 17:21 ELA wrote:Are you serious? Two professionals are asking for constructive feedback to improve their casting, and this is what you post? Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you. And you continue: Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting And then a ninja edit that I somewhat doubt will help you Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You are being a total dick here dude.. I would edit that post of yours out if I was you, think about it and then maybe write a new one, where you actually put words on what you think can be improved. If you can't do that, no reason to post at all.
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
He posted this as well. His second point is really well said..It is how you don't expect a blind man to be a good painter. Same could be said about some people trying to be casters.
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On October 11 2011 17:21 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting
nice how you cut off the word "high quality content" you want them to believe i said he should quit in general, your stupid...
On October 11 2011 17:21 ELA wrote:And then a ninja edit that I somewhat doubt will help you Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
and a nice lie, i edited a toital different sentence....stop talking shit kiddo
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Funny enough, I watch IPL on a regular basis and your commentary never bothered me, but in the finals I didn't like it. The observer missed quite some stuff and was slow, there was a lot of mistakes and both of you didn't seem to understand the ZvZ matchup very well. And as some people said HD should stick to more play by play commentary and leave the analysis to Painuser, at least with what I've seen so far.
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I think Apollo, Painuser and djWheat were great during the whole event. I cant really say that Im a fan of HD or Doa and his casting partner. Mainly because of their lacking knowledge. Doa has some knowledge I suppose but I really dont like his casting/jokes.
Also, I would have wished they were a bit more focused on the camera when they observed. There were tons of drops and engagements that we didnt get to see.
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On October 11 2011 17:24 gwaihir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 17:20 mrtomjones wrote:On October 11 2011 17:15 gwaihir wrote:On October 11 2011 17:13 Hokay wrote:On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You add zero constructive criticism on how HD could improve or why he is "bad". Basically you're just saying "YOU SUCK" and just using the "honesty" as an excuse to bash. thats bullshit. i mentioned the game sense, the overhyping and how he pulls down painuser. and im not a caster myself so i have no idea how he could improve effectivly, if he wants to know that he should ask day9 or artosis and not simple TL users like us.... WE ARE THE VIEWERS. We are the people he is providing content to. Asking us is perfectly logical. you dont get it...i meant EFFECTIVE ways to improve SPECIFIC things. so do you know how to professionally improve casting skills? DO YOU? no, just like all the other none casters. there is a different thing between simple feedback, which he can ofc ask us, and professional tips! ....mb you should just keep quiet, you dont know what you are writing here
So if a baseball player talks to a sports psychologist about how to improve certain aspects of his game that wont work? If an NFL caster asks people watching his showwhat they did not like and what he might want to improve on that would not work? Honestly. You are the daily internet child troll. You should stop posting and edit out as he said. Or maybe learn how to function in a society.
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my only suggestion to you is:
don't even take serious the unreasonable bashing in this thread. just pay attention to constructive criticisms.
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- I always feel your personalities simply don't match-up with mine, which is not even casting related, so I often avoid listening to you guys (IPL qualifiers) and there is nothing you (or me) could do about it.
- Given above, you guys did a very good job, because during this event I actually did not mind listening to you.
- HD has cut out a lot of your unneccessary fake enthusiasm, which is very good. A portion of this is always necessary and as long as you don't go overboard with exaggerations, it is very ok.
- The analysis was not always spot on, but it is nothing I actually expect to happen, the game is to complicated for that. Still I think PainUser could have done a better job sometimes. In example, I felt sometimes when a terran player was really behind and pulled of 3-4 decent drops in a row, you made it sound like he was picking his opponent apart for like 5minutes, although the drops did not nearly do enough dmg to make the game even again.
- The observing was ok I guess, but not good either.
- And I really don't dig these kind of conversations: 'As a caster I have mastered the craft of half listening, what about you PU'- Yeah, I often barely hear what you are talking about'... Just cut it out, I don't want to hear that.
All in all I think you guys did decently well.
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good casting, no complaints
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Community has allready choosed their favorite casters, so I think you HD get the most "bashing" atm.
Pretty much only GSL observers are the only ones that dont miss stuff or rarely do.
I liked your cast, but as some ppl have pointed out it, I too think you should leave most of the analysis to PainUser and stick with play by play. The more you know about the game the better ofc, but you got the point.
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On October 11 2011 17:15 Tachion wrote:
To provide a counter example: Check vs Vampire in the GSTL finals. We see 2 stargate voids, assume check only prepares for 1 because he only scouts 1 and will be unprepared. Vampire masses up a bunch of gateway units to attack with his voids and assume that Check is gonna be totally screwed, and the camera scrolls up and we see 10 queens running down to meet the army.
That was pretty fucking awesome.
Awesome game but bad on the casters part. We should have seen those things coming even just by the occasional "macro glance" the observers take of each player's base, we would have seen the queens massing up. the production tab is so that when the casters FAIL and MISS THINGS, as all humans are prone to do, we the audience can still be aware. Honestly I watch the production tab, minerals gas supply, and minimap, more that I do the action in the middle. I'm a fan of quality strategy games, not flashy cartoon action, and I like understanding the situation.
This whole "deny me information so I can enjoy the game more" is the worst idea ever and has nothing to do with why HD just isnt right for high level casting.
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You guys are probably my favorite casting pair. I love watching the huge amount of IGN content because you don't tone down the nerdiness. A lot of other casters don't seem like they are trying to target an audience that isn't me, which is surprising, since I played BW and have been around for a long time. I like the air that HD and Painuser have because it's like listening to two people who I know talking about SC (I especially like the plethora of 90s references and other things relevant to nerd culture) whereas some other commentators like JP seem to be living in a completely different world from me.
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I liked PainUser and did not like HD.
I think, HD, that you often put your foot in your mouth with goofy / weird / wrong statements.
I might enjoy your casting if you just think for an extra second or two before you speak, to filter out some of that stuff.
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I liked PU. Dont have much complaints there. I didnt enjoy HDs casting. You made a number of mistakes, some big ones and and some small ones.
I feel like the quote "think before you speak" applies when you try to analyze the game, because I think you have the knowledge (especially after watching and casting all those games) and a good idea whats going to happen but you its almost as if you rush out your statement - leading to something incorrect.
I also think its a problem when HD tries to play the entertainer role rather than a play-by-play guy. I think leaving the color commentary to PU would be better, at least for my taste.
I will say that my criticisms come from a small sample size, I muted stream when you guys came on after a few games in.
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PainUser was great I didn't feel the T bias that much like some posts above. I like when there is a root knowledge (like terran for him), it is how a lot of players get "connected" to the game aswell (cheering for one race).
HD was not that bad but you need to be yourself... just be natural dont try to overplay the thing, it looks so awkward. I'm feeling that PainUser is saving empty-awkward afterjokes or whatever  Maybe in short you need confidence.
glgl you both !
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I admire the intentions of both HD and painuser. But when you look at professional casting as a whole, I think they have a long, LONG way to go in terms of their mastery of the english language, knowledge of the game, and confidence (not being awkward) in a live setting. Its quite glaring.
edit- I don't want to get called out as a hater, I really like what HD has done on youtube and such. But I think we are at a point where we can be very honest about the difference between any guy who picks up a game and a mic and starts talking about it and a professional commentator.
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Didnt like when u called banelings "bling" and marine medivacs "m&m"
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I did enjoy your casting in general, but there was just something off at the same time, which prevented me from enjoying it as much. There were only 2 things I can put my finger on:
1. Please stop calling it m&m, call it bio pretty please.
2. You guys missed a lot of action, heck since you were obsings, the viewer also missed a ton of them. I was at times frantically looking at the minimap to try determine who was winning all those battles that went unnoticed.
What I do love is your chemistry together, it really does shine through that you guys are comfortable with each other, so that's a good thing.
Edit: And please ignore "turn off the production/unit tab". I want to see the subtle ways a person is drilling through their opponents defenses, forcing wrong units, bad engagements etc, not just a last minute "SURPRISE I've got this army you have no counter to!"
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1. The observer needs to pay more close attention to the minimap. It's not unique to you guys, but watching the right thing is more important than saying something interesting to me. Often drops are missed, armies move out and start engaging before the observer spot it because they are busy talking. That's the #1 criticism I can give you.
2. Refer a bit more often to actual supplies and workers, unit composition vs unit composition and upgrades. I feel that often you are misreading who is behind or ahead because of some small drop that worked, or was averted, while the supply leads and upgrades and # of bases tell the opposite story.
Overall, I feel you did a good job, but not a great job. But those are the two main issues you would have two work on for me to enjoy it more.
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