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On October 11 2011 18:12 RuN wrote:
There are a few things that I could nit pick at but overall the cast was ok. I think HD gets way to excited over nothing sometimes and missed some critical information on the game
I think this has some merit, and is part of the learning process, you preemptively get excited, and it's a wonderful thing, but too much of it, when nothing ends up really happening is one of your main weak-points. That just comes with time and learning the game and differently players play-style and timings. GL
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To be honest, yes, you might be the weaker caster of the two of you, but I don't think you're a bad caster at all. Yes, you might lack game knowledge, but together the two of you make the greatest (in my opinion) caster duo. I'd rather listen to you two than Tastosis.
Even if Painuser has some bias, that's completely alright. I don't really mind, and I don't think it makes a bad impact in the casting. You two just have a great chemistry, and you cast a game really well and in an enjoyable fashion. Also you don't seem to be forcing jokes like soooo many others do (sorry Cats, but you do this a lot). That's the death of casting, if you ask me, when the caster try to force a joke into the picture, or really try and fail to be funny. Just let it flow.
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If you screamed more and acted more natural: it would be a step closer to the tastosis archon
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Overall I like you guys. I definitely prefer PainUser but I still have a positive opinion of you (HD). There is, however, definitely a lot of room for growth. I'd like to see you maybe tone down the hyping up and just go with a bit more honesty - right now I sometimes feel that you are convincing yourself that you have to act really excited when you're actually not.
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I don't think a lot of people realize HD is high masters and actually does provide good tips a lot.
HD's voice is really good, and a lot of people criticize him for being "fake" but uhm... I dont think he would purse a career in SC2 Casting if he didn't genuinely enjoy it...
I like HD and PainUser as a casting Duo
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i didnt like it at all! ruined my experience of the finals! You guys read situations wrong! You miss things on the minimap! It feels like both of you just makes things up that "kind off/maybe" makes SOME sense and just throws it out there! I cant feel passion at all, as I said, it sounds like you guys just say what ever from the top of your head.. Painuser pretends that everything he says is the absolute right thing(feels like he tries to be the Artosis/Day9/dApollo of a casting archon) But he is failing big time, when he predicts a match wrong, or says someone is behind when doing "this and that" but the numbers themselfs tell us he is infact a head(worker count/number of production facilitys/number og expos... etc..etc...) Also there is a biased-ish feel when painuser cast an EG player. And sounds like he wants EG to lose. But that might just be me. As for HD, I'm sorry dude I know you are playing and trying to improve and stuff. But when you cast most of the time to do this so called "play-by-play" which is nice(personally prefere other though), but when you predict things or pointing out things, you say the most obviouse, you say something totaly wrong, or you start saying something that dont make sense at all and sometimes you turn it around and make a point out of it.
I'm sorry man, I muted every match you guys commentated and will continue to do that in the future.. The passion and knowledge for the game is so important for me when I'm watching, and it's not there, at ALL, when you guys work.. -__- Hopefully my honesty doesnt cost me a ban here..
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So to make it short, the more I understand the game the less I enjoy your castings HD... If not laderring, you should at least watch some others casters regularly in order to instantly catch what's happening on the screen. I mean, you can see all that's going on on the screen and even, with a little practice you should be able to do so, and if you want to make money this way it's one of those things to do. After this, if you can exaggerate a little bit less, you may become my favorite caster again, you have a good way of "making the game alive".
Painuser could give you lessons, but, as unfair as it is, I don't like his voice so I can't appreciate his casting.
That being said, the third guy is quite good ! I hope he keeps going 
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On October 11 2011 18:24 Mr.SoloDolo wrote:
I don't think a lot of people realize HD is high masters and actually does provide good tips a lot.
HD's voice is really good, and a lot of people criticize him for being "fake" but uhm... I dont think he would purse a career in SC2 Casting if he didn't genuinely enjoy it...
I like HD and PainUser as a casting Duo
I feel like he actually does enjoy it, but he feels that he HAS to "fake" a bit. It comes across.
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I was hoping to see some new casting combos:
HD + Djwheat
PainUser + dApollo
Doa + HD
etc
You can learn a lot just watching them cast but i think you will learn more casting with them, plus you get more experience if one day you cast with someone that you dont know too much.
IMO, HD you did great.
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On October 11 2011 18:25 blae000 wrote:
i didnt like it at all! ruined my experience of the finals! You guys read situations wrong! You miss things on the minimap! It feels like both of you just makes things up that "kind off/maybe" makes SOME sense and just throws it out there! I cant feel passion at all, as I said, it sounds like you guys just say what ever from the top of your head.. Painuser pretends that everything he says is the absolute right thing(feels like he tries to be the Artosis/Day9/dApollo of a casting archon) But he is failing big time, when he predicts a match wrong, or says someone is behind when doing "this and that" but the numbers themselfs tell us he is infact a head(worker count/number of production facilitys/number og expos... etc..etc...) Also there is a biased-ish feel when painuser cast an EG player. And sounds like he wants EG to lose. But that might just be me. As for HD, I'm sorry dude I know you are playing and trying to improve and stuff. But when you cast most of the time to do this so called "play-by-play" which is nice(personally prefere other though), but when you predict things or pointing out things, you say the most obviouse, you say something totaly wrong, or you start saying something that dont make sense at all and sometimes you turn it around and make a point out of it.
I'm sorry man, I muted every match you guys commentated and will continue to do that in the future.. The passion and knowledge for the game is so important for me when I'm watching, and it's not there, at ALL, when you guys work.. -__- Hopefully my honesty doesnt cost me a ban here..
See, this is a perfect example of someone who is a hater, someone who will mute you from now on and never give you a chance to improve is not someone you care to please in the first place.
You have to face the fact that some guy's just won't like you and move on.
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HD, please talk to your fellow co caster after a casting session and ask them face to face man to man: "was my casting accurate?"
You have a big heart bro, and your zergy senses are usually spot on but sometimes you give HDgasms that have a lot of energy but not enough factual information.
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Wow, what a ballsy thread haha, my apologies for all the haters.
HD and PainUser at IPL3 were the most knowledgeable and synergistic of the casting pairs. You guys have a very strong combination, both of you have good radio voices, great crowd interaction. Great pairing. I think a lot of the viewers don't realize that HD does a lot of setting up for PainUser, much the same way that Tasteless spends most of his time setting up Artosis - even though Tasteless actually knows exactly what's going on.
That's not to say that you guys couldn't use a bit of practice; play more and study your off-races. Getting your calls wrong isn't a big deal - if you can predict what White-Ra is going to do from one game to the next, then you're a better man than I. Its better to understand the dynamics of the common battles, which you guys do very well.
Another thing I think you guys could improve on your voice inflection for exciting moments, and that when you're replay casting it feels like you're not that into a few of the games.
But yeah, when I look at the other major casting pairs, you guys impress me a lot more than Apollo and TB, definitely more than Wheat + randomcaster usually does (<3 wheat and Day9 though), Gretorp and Lz don't compare. You guys are top 3 casting pairs right now - don't stress about the haters, find a few gems of insight in this thread and keep on truckin'.
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On October 11 2011 18:07 firehand101 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote:On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching. Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on I absolutely hate it when it is turned off! where is the fun in that? one of the main reasons i watch pro matches are to learn builds, not wait in suspense for a hidden DT shrine
i absolutely HATE the production tab
so many games get totally boring because you already know he will for example have his observer in time for the dt.
production tab takes alot of the joy of watching starcraft
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i dont think your guys are bad casters, but listening to you was a little boring compared to djwheat/apollo
sorry : /
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I love listen to you guys, you are so laid back compared to all the other casters. Go the voice of an angel!
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I don't know why everyone is so concerned about "game knowledge" - obviously Hd is a genuinely nice person and has a passion for Sc2. Its not like you can't figure out whats going on by watching the game on stream.
Just my 2 cents;
Hd Fighting
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Good job, I would say there are few things to work out, especially with HD going too much off topic in a pretty important part of the game, when I would like to know the units build, army sizes, etc...
I would also say you need to put up the pop up screen more, with workers kills and units kills, apm, etc... just overall more of the stats.
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In my opinion HD is a good caster, he may not have the best of game sense at every turn but he is genuinly excited about the game and really seems to care, which shines through.
Painuser doesn't feel like he cares about casting. I'm not even sure if he has casted anything where he wasn't getting payed or getting other benefits. He has decent sense for the game (but less so than you'd expect from a player of his level) yet has pretty much no excitement what-so-ever. Feels like he is doing it just as a job rather than because he loves casting and as such, the monotonous robot voice pours over the rest of the cast. HD would be better off getting paired with someone who has great indepth knowledge or excitement for the game, or both (but that only leaves the superb Day9).
And yeah, stop being biased towards the American players 
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Did anybody else read HDs post in HD's voice?
I think a caster requires some level of knowledge and personality. I can think of a few casters out there that know a lot but are boring or know little but are very entertaining to listen to. There are few if any (<3 dayj) that have a lot of both.
As a casting-duo I believe that its important the two casters can supplement the others deficits. Mismatched is better than Matched in this regard. Two people deeply analyzing a match is both redundant and dull. Two people giggling back and forth making jokes and obscure references unrelated to the game is annoying.
Id say the HD and Painuser compliment one another very well, neither is too annoying or indepth but together provide some very entertaining coverage games. Ultimately its entertainment and enjoyment, not 'Starcraft 2 Education' that is important when casting a tournament.
I voted yes! and hope to see more 
PS. Painuser is fairly biased, but I like biased casting 
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