EPTI think you two did great and I'm already looking forward to the next event!
PainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 11
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delHospital
Poland261 Posts
I think you two did great and I'm already looking forward to the next event! | ||
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Vamp
United Kingdom184 Posts
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Serelitz
Netherlands2895 Posts
My biggest gripe is probably that you NEED to watch the minimap more. So much things were missed like drops etc. that I could see happening on the minimap, and THAT'S really frustrating for me. Also if you don't have game knowledge it's fine - the only thing I hate (and a lot of other people as well I think) is when you say something flat out wrong while thinking it's right. | ||
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mangoloid
100 Posts
As for more constructive criticism: be more aware of the language and lingo you guys use. There are times where I guess it's a matter of preference (I will always prefer "bio" to "MM"), but there are times when it takes me a second to get what you are talking about. The first time I heard "baneling bombs," I thought you guys meant overlords dropping banelings when you actually meant burrowed baneling traps/mines. Overall, I think you guys should use less game lingo (and general slang) and work on being more articulate (though I know this can be really hard in a live cast). | ||
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SlaTe87
Germany35 Posts
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
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Ren91
United Kingdom190 Posts
As a plus I think the way he cast's in battles etc is quite good, it creates excitement and hype, the problem arises when he continues his hype after the battle is over and the GG is incoming. Painuser does a good job as the more analytical one and give's good insight, I'm pretty sure he knows that his knowledge of non-terran matchup's isn't top tier so I won't bother Overall I think you are good casters that do have things to improve on, but I got frustrated quite a lot at the mis-call's so I voted no. | ||
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havmic
6 Posts
Also, if you ARE going to be asking for cheers, separate the "cheer for who you want to win" and "cheer for this player just cause he is playing" as the above example illustrates. | ||
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DoublespeakUS
United States55 Posts
Everyone loves or hates HD. I think HD fits his role pretty well. I don't look at him for game knowledge or analysis. He is the personality and the voice. He is unique and is quite fitting on stage. HD, if you read this I would suggest you just avoid as much analysis as you can because you won't make people happy in that respect even though I think you are pretty decent at it. Just focus on play-by-play, action and humor. Unfortunately, I don't think the combo is that great. PainUser has a very monotone voice and has too much time to talk. Analysis players should talk in small moments when something unique is happening in the game. Whereas "The Voice" HDStarcraft should do most of the talking, explaining the hype of the tournament, the situation for both players and present action of hte game. During the IPL, it seemed like you both tried to share those positions, each doing parts of both. It showed both your weaknesses whereas you should be showcasing your strengths. I like you both. I just want you to understand the structure of a "caster duo" a bit more, and show it. | ||
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komokun
France343 Posts
On October 11 2011 20:16 Kuni wrote: Probably repeating what most of the people in this thread said. Painuser is perfectly fine. You on the other hand suffer from the same problem Husky suffered in the past, but he got over it and improved a lot, really. So it would not hurt to focus on improving your game knowledge and awareness of the things going on while casting. Maybe also work on some jokes and there have been a lot of situations, where the what we saw in the games were different from what you told us. I'm sure you can do it, just like husky, who is not that bad anymore. Husky's improvement is a great thing to look for. Don't take the negative feedback too hard. I was agreeably surprised by your casting duo with painuser. I think it was much better than during the qualifiers so you need to keep working on some stuff. My two cents : - Be careful when you give an opinion on who's ahead/behind in a game. Sometimes you focused to much on few specific aspects and missed the more general trend of the game. In one of the early ZvP, when the zerg loses units to a FE stargate but is ahead in bases/workers/supply after the harassment/push, he is NOT behind. Sometimes Painuser would correct you but other times you both go head first into thinking that one player is way ahead and confirm each other's intuition and keep repeating wrong stuff. Try and keep a clear mind and don't let your counterpart influence your though too much. You need to help each other instead of pushing into the wrong direction with a nowball effect. I think the criticism you've had on the game knowlegde is due to rushing to conclusion ("A is definitely ahead... 2min later B is miles ahead...1min later A crushes B in a convincing fashion !!") - Obsing was really bad at times. I know it can be really difficult to cast and obs at the same time. Try and see if it is possible to get a dedicated obs like in GSL. It was better at the end but some of the obsing made me sick with unstable screen, units fighting on the edge, following moving units by screen scrolling. You also missed many drops and even big engagements at times... - Sometimes I felt awkward when you shared your own game experience as a zerg player ("when I get two raxed...blahblahblah). I don't mind it when the caster is competitive (ie painuser) but I think you lack legitimacy to include yourself, as you are comparing yourself (mid-masters ?) to players who are in a whole different league. | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:13 PH wrote: To start, you guys did a good job casting. It wasn't great, but it definitely wasn't bad. The number one thing is you need to let Painuser make the predictions and do the analysis. Do the play by play while he breaks down what that play means for the audience. I mean no offense, but he knows the game on a deeper level as he is a high level player. This doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't cast Starcraft. It just means you need to let him do the thinking stuff. Be the Tasteless, the djWheat. Don't be the Artosis or the Day9. Only the read the first page but this man sums up my thoughts exactly. Edit: voted yes. | ||
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Naske
Norway14 Posts
I get the impression there is no heart and honesty to your commentating. Just this very superficial smalltalk, raising your voice in situations that are pretty much decided, and acting cool when it is not needed. It takes the attention away from the game. | ||
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Lawler
Sweden15 Posts
A few things that comes to mind: - Don't be too quick to judge who is behind and/or loosing. - HD especially, don't get stuck using the same words like M&M and lings and b-lings  | ||
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
1) Less unwarranted sensationalism; Painuser suggesting at thestc's opening in game 1 vs stephano was 'the future on TvZ' really wound me up when it was clearly never going to be the case. 2) Dont clap loudly at the start of every game when your mics pick it up. This is very distracting for stream viewers. 3) Dont scream into the mic at the start of matches, however huge the match may be. | ||
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Wout
Netherlands76 Posts
You and PainUser did alright, really. It would probably help if you tried to stick to the play-by-play role a bit more consistently, and let Taylor handle the predictions and theorycrafting. It's actually okay to make a wrong prediction every now and again but often times it appeared as though you were taking away Taylor's opportunities to explain the situation. You obviously get really excited and fired up casting games (this is not criticism, it's pretty electrifying and one of your defining features as a caster, imho) but when you spot something unorthodox, rather than going out on a limb trying to explain what you see, just state what is going on, and then ask your analyst buddy what it means. It will help define both your roles during the cast better. In my opinion, one of the main things that make caster combinations combinations like TotalBiscuit&dApollo, djWheat&Day9 and Husky&MrBitter, among others, work so well is that besides the obvious chemistry between the personalities, they complement each other very well, one focusing on play-by-play, the other providing analysis whenever needed, giving each other the necessary time to talk and overlapping the roles when appropriate. You and PainUser obviously get along well, and naturally fit these roles, so I believe you two have the potential to be another great casting archon. Just try to actively work together during the cast - ask for analysis when needed. One last remark - having watched some of your cast-togethers during the qualifiers, you guys seemed to work more like a team than at the event. Maybe this was because of nerves, I don't know, anyway, don't beat yourselves up over it. If anything, it proves that you have what it takes. You just need to work on carrying it over to live events too. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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CroDeadman
Croatia76 Posts
HD - Good casting voice, creates excitement even when there shouldn't be excitement poor game knowledge, you definately need improvement. As a duo you two work well together. Also the person who mentioned the observing and paying attention to the minimap is correct, I don't know who was the observer but sometimes during battles there were double drops going on and you either didn't mention it, or if you did mention it you didnt switch screen to it which I found annoying as hell. On the other hand you and CatsP during online qualifiers I found to be really really bad. Sorry. | ||
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Cops
United Kingdom172 Posts
I seen a lot of harsh criticism towards HD and I disagree on the most part, just keep doing what you're doing you're definitely one of the better casters out there! ;D | ||
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icjOo
Norway5 Posts
Hd dont know shit about the game, im diamond and i feel i know more than him. I really hope IGN see this and start brining day9 tastosis inn, i REALLY hate listening to these 2 casters... please....if there wasnt for the koreans and stephano i would not been watching. I believe most veiewers share my thoughts. Ask artosis what he thinks about the casters at ipl, im sure he will give them 2/10. PLS IGN stick i finger in the dirt | ||
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