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To HD: Get a cameraman, you will feel more relief and you will do a better job at commentating.
Also. Remember, there is 1 guy that knows about the game, and there is another guy (you) that should not make analysis of the games, but rather, observe what you see and throw questions to the guy in charge of the analysis. This way, you will stop making bad calls.
The problem with bad calls is that your co caster most of the times will not correct you on camera to not embarrass you.
So focus more on ovservating, asking the right questions to your co-caster and making the game exiting and interesting when it needs to be by using different type of voice intonations.
Also, stop saying "mnm" please.
To PainUser: you do a good job sir.
Good luck to both.
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It takes some balls for creating this thread. Taking criticism can be quite tough, so I hope you take some of these on board and ignore those who just bash.
Just simple points
- Other race knowledge. I think it would be a good idea to play the other races. It'll help out a lot for casting for both of you. I know Apollo + Day9 plays random. Artosis switched to Protoss and IMO it has improved his casting.
- Work to your strengths, HD only casting play by play, Painuser can just talk about analysis. Don't enter each others territory unless it's a discussion.
- Don't use abbreviations! I couldn't believe you describe the Planetary Fortress as PF. It's ok written down, but as a caster... No!
- Minimap!!! (It's not just you, I believe Catspajamas is also very guilty of this. Part of assigning roles again, the analyser can point you to areas you're missing)
- more preparation. This is a must for all casters not just you guys. Apollo setting a standard for prepOf course the more preparation you do the better. Player info/stats/playstyle.
+ Love the enthusaism from both
+ You have good chemistry with each other
+ quite entertaining during down time (sponsors shout outs were fantastic)
Overall I enjoyed the casting I voted yes. It's good to add a bit of personality to the cast, but if in doubt stay professional. You'll get more respect that way.
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Anyone else finds it strange how we collectively whine on casters this much. Never seen this before in any other 'culture'
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People are talking about game knowledge, it’s true you should be checking some more GSL and stuff to be more aware of the meta-game, but mostly you should try to abstain from making prediction when you are not 100% sure of what’s going on. Or just throw the ball to Pain User. Check out the Husky/Day9 duo from MLG, I think Husky learnt to just ask Day9 about what is happening when he is not sure. “So Sean, what do you think this hellion build might be followed with ?”.
Don’t change anything about your voice tone or excitement, you have 300 000 subscribers on Youtube for a reason. You are the first sc2 caster I ever listened too, you are the one who dragged me into esports at first, so cheers HD ! Just stop making weird predictions and work on your chemistry with Pain-U and I know you guys will become great casters.
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On October 11 2011 22:37 simansh wrote:
Anyone else finds it strange how we collectively whine on casters this much. Never seen this before in any other 'culture'
To be fair people whined about Husky forever ... but when he did a great job at MLG and made this same exact thread ... 91% voted yes that he did a good job 9% voted no.
I am sure HD will take the criticism well and improve his casting ..... I think that is beneficial to everyone
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On October 11 2011 22:30 Micket wrote:
The biggest improvement is paying attention to the minimap and production tab. Part of the reason there is misanalysis is because of these things. When I see 10 roaches making early game ZvT, I should here 'and looks like Zerg is going for a roach ling all in. Let's see if Terran can hold, oh know! He's making a 3rd command centre and teching straight to medivacs. He needs 2 more bunkers ASAP.' Rather than 'Zerg might wanna take a third or tech straight to muta. Oh wait, there are roaches in the middle. Let's see what happens.' The same could be said for paying attention to supplys, money and bases. It's a little annoying when the game is over, but you make it sound like its not. For youtube, this is good, but TL people are a little bit more pedantic than that.
Otherwise, it was really enjoyable.
I came here to post exactly that.
Most of your wrong calls could be easily avoided with a better focus on the minimap and production tab. I don't want to hear "PlayerX should expand" when we see a CC in the prdocution tab bar.
I don't want to hear, "Zerg player is in bad shape, he's lower on supply" when we see that he has stored 1k/1k and muta den is about to pop. Same for all the drops and multi prong harras that are often missed because of too many focus on some other moves.
This is a really tough job but you're talented and have good wills so I have no doubt you'll improve that.
Never assume you know what the player is doing
When a terran player tries to force a zerg to produces units, it usually is casted like this : "Terran is ready go for the attack this gonna be the decisive battle! Oh wait he pulls back... Oh no he's really going on offensive, oh wait he pulls back again...."
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I will start with the positive stuff:
-You and Taylor have great chemistry and both of you have great casting voices as well.
-Your observing was great. Imo it was much better than CP and DJWheat´s.
-Its easy to see and feel your compassion for the game. Makes it entertaining and enjoyable.
-I think you did a great job at cheering up the rather limited crowd. Not an easy job in a completely loopsided ZvZ (talking about the finals ofc).
-Sometimes you guys crack me up with funny/stupid comments about huge archon balls and scv´s buttfollowing eachother.
-I like when Painuser points out obvious mistakes like STC not walling off after scouting a roach/ling all-in. Casters in generel are too polite to players making huge mistakes.
Things to improve on:
-Unlike many others I dont think you lack game knowledge in particular. However, and this goes for many casters, you seem to lack player knowledge. Why is it that we almost never get to hear where a player is from, how old he is, what is his background and so on. All we get to hear is who he defeated in the previous round.
Also it would be cool to tell some player anecdotes if you know any as well as previous tournament history.
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yeah the analytical part was quite good but the enthusiasm especially for the final and semis was missing a little bit (if you compare it to apollo and djWheat
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In a thread where the casters are looking for feedback of any kind, no it is not unusual that we to in fact give feedback, be it positive or negative. It would be totally pointless if everybody was saying, that there is nothing to change, as there obviously are always points to improve and that's what they want to know about. So bitching about those who give criticism is much more annoying than giving the criticism itself.
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I think the casting was great between HD and Painuser, two casters I honestly have not had the pleasure of hearing enough of.
I agree with some of the general criticism in this thread regarding, more precisely, presentation of game knowledge. I don't doubt that between both HD and PainUser there is the knowledge of all match ups and far more strategies than known by even the average high level player, however perhaps as a combination in Live events you need more practice as a pair
Have specific roles for the dual cast. Stick someone on analysis and the other on play by plays, perhaps even switch it up should a match up be better understood by one and not the other.
Also, this is more a wishlist item than a comment on the casting:
+ Show Spoiler +I'd love to see something like AskJoshy's Picture-in-Picture view implemented in IPL (live or not). I know he does it in post production, but with all casters I find it disjointing when someone is giving the play by play of a huge battle, and someone "has" to interrupt to inform them of a drop. Of course, we do need to know of the drop, but I always find it disjointing for viewers if a camera moves around in the midst of a giant battle or engagement. (Probably asking for too much haha, but with IGN production values I think IPL might be able to pull it off)
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To be honest, it's great to see such a thread created by yourself.
The good thing is, that we can clearly see your improvement. As the others pointed out, you'll need work on a few things - but thats nothing you can't improve.
My biggest negative point was the repeatedly usage of "Com Sat", but thats my point of view.
Work on your game knowledge show them, what cool matches you can cast.
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On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching.
I'd like to mention I disagree with this. I want to see the production tab more than anything else. I feel you can have such a good sense of the game just by seeing what is being made.
I feel a good caster duo should have one caster with the job of calling the play by play action, and one that gives strategy and big picture type info.
There is one notable exception to this being Artosis and Tasteless, but they both have such knowledge of the game they can both fill each roll, while Day9 and DjWheat would have Wheat as the play by play and Day9 as the strategy caller due to day9's superior game knowledge. (although day9 often ends up doing both while wheat just watches the game  ).
GL.
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Your camera skills need some work. Many times the camera would constantly overshoot wherever it was panning to, and you would just wiggle it around on an empty base. Drove me nuts. 
There was a lot of things missed on the minimap.
The yelling into the mic made me cringe.
But most importantly, m&ms and blings have to go. Seriously.
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I thought you guys were really great at casting games. You made them pretty exciting, and provided good play by play. My only complaint is that your game analysis was weaker than other casters like a day9 for example. But I think that is because painuser knows Terran more than any other race. So if I had any advice it would be to research other races, and players. Overall I enjoyed the casting and really appeciate the effort you guys, and IGN for that matter put into this amazing event.
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You guys did great. I just dont like the name casting reactor mainly because it's like its copied from tastosis the casting archon which also makes more sense.
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On October 11 2011 22:47 DaCruise wrote:
I will start with the positive stuff:
-You and Taylor have great chemistry and both of you have great casting voices as well.
-Your observing was great. Imo it was much better than CP and DJWheat´s.
-Its easy to see and feel your compassion for the game. Makes it entertaining and enjoyable.
-I think you did a great job at cheering up the rather limited crowd. Not an easy job in a completely loopsided ZvZ (talking about the finals ofc).
-Sometimes you guys crack me up with funny/stupid comments about huge archon balls and scv´s buttfollowing eachother.
-I like when Painuser points out obvious mistakes like STC not walling off after scouting a roach/ling all-in. Casters in generel are too polite to players making huge mistakes.
Things to improve on:
-Unlike many others I dont think you lack game knowledge in particular. However, and this goes for many casters, you seem to lack player knowledge. Why is it that we almost never get to hear where a player is from, how old he is, what is his background and so on. All we get to hear is who he defeated in the previous round.
Also it would be cool to tell some player anecdotes if you know any as well as previous tournament history.
Yup, I can say this is pretty accurate. There are so many positive points more than negative ones. I really enjoy watching games casted by HD and Painuser, just because the chemistry is great and everything that DaCruise said in his post.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
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Here's my 2 cents on what to improve:
The Analysis part:
I feel like Painuser is doing a good job when it comes to match ups that involve T but lacks knowledge when it comes to non-T matches, and HD can't really make up for that as he's not at that level of knowledge. Maybe laddering a bit with the other races would help in that regard.
The Play by Play part:
Since casters seem to always talk in turns you could try having the one that is not talking always look at the minimap / production to better keep up with what's going on. You did fairly well but you could still improve.
As for the actual voices HD is doing ok, Painuser's voice is a bit weak. I think doing some breathing exercises will help a lot.
Last but not least, there were a few occasions where you basically shouted in the microphone, never, ever do that. You can sound just as intense without increasing the actual volume of your voice.
Looking forward to seeing you guys in IPL4!!! <3
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I want to commend you on your camera control. It was infinitely better than CatsPajamas and I feel like I didn't miss half the match while watching you guys.
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I do think that improving you overall player and game knowledge is always good but I do think that you have pretty good chemistry with painuser. Also, please remember that people responding in TL might be in the higher tier as far as expectations of game knowledge go. Also, there does to be a lot of bandwagon hating that goes on here and people that have criticism to make tend to post more so please don't be discouraged by some of the hate. Gl!
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First, Painuser is terran biased, it feels in little thing in his commentary and its really annoying for me. He always commentate whats going on from a terran point of view, even he doesnt want to , it seems like terran race is deep in his blood, and nothing we can do.
Second, plz, stop criticizing players but underline good things they do, (basically this is pretty much day9s approach). I dont like this negative energy in commentary. You are here to commentate, not to judge players, and talking like "why you doing this, you should do this and this" and such. Overall im watching sc to feel good and be entertained, so plz dont critizes, it promotes negative enegry i dont like it. Also sometimes you dont understand correctly whats pros is doing and critizing them is really arrogant.
And third, stop making prediction about whats going to happend, like this force of units gonna crush other one cos there is not enough ultralisks. you were giving wrong calls 60% of times i would say, that was pretty bad. And why do you need to make those prediction of whats going to happen at all? What for is it? Just say us whats happening, and how exciting it is and stuff like that, for ex. "lets see whats gonna happen, this group of units attacking this base, ... oh it crushs it, what a beautiful micro" and not whats going to happen in your opinion. Even if you either being right or wrong. This is not entertaining.
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