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Some constructive criticism for HD that you guys can use would be better than 'let PainUser handle everything.'
1- A player has a definitive lead only when he has the lead in both army and economy, or is tied for one and ahead in the other. As a caster, you need to check both before you make the call.
Ex. A Zerg double expands, and his Protoss opponent goes for a 1-base blink all-in. The Zerg has a huge economy advantage, but the Protoss player has a huge army lead. Until the Zerg can stabilize in army or the Toss limits the Zerg's bases, neither player can be said to be 'ahead'.
2- You (HD) always seem to be very cautious when discussing whether or not a player should attack; remember that there are many reasons to attack/harass and many benefits other than just killing stuff. You force players to reveal their tech, and can snipe key units. Its often worthwhile for a disadvantaged M/M/M ball to attack into a Tank line in midgame TvT to limit the tank count, even if the trade seems awful at times.
You guys already know this stuff, but it seems that when you see something you don't recognize, HD stumbles to theorycraft it on the fly. Particularly with Protoss lol.
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I always find you entertaining and professional, HD. I haven't liked PainUser in the past, and I'm not sure what he changed this time around, but I enjoyed him here.
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I think its okay to "lack" game knowledge or whatever. Your role is the color, while Taylor does the analytical stuff f(comparing to like Tastosis, Taylor plays more of the Artosis role while you play the Tasteless role). Your excitement is through the roof and its very exciting. Just make sure you PLEASE dont make wrong calls. Nothing pisses me off more than having these "professional" commentators make clearly wrong calls and say that the players are doing something for reason X when its obviously for reason Y. Just be careful when trying to call things like that - that's Taylor's job really.
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I enjoyed your casting!! 
You we're the one who got me into watching SC2 HD, so thanks buddy!
Keep on rocking :D
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Knowledge and predictions aren't great, but they don't really have to be, PainUser should have that covered more so.
What really put me off is your abbreviation of everything. No more M&M's (unless you're talking about the sweets), Blings, Nat etc. It doesn't need to be abbreviated.
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I thought your two were good. Possibly a bit too much role crossing during the cast, IE both doing play by play or analytic stuff. I'm a believer in more sports model casting where there is clearly a play by play guy who just calls what is happening, and the colour guy who says why. Personally, I don't think it's that important to attempt to call what they are going to do. As a viewer, I don't really care and it's about what they are doing.
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To be perfectly honest, I didn't enjoy your casting at all. Reading the comments here, and reading the comments in "caster combos in IPL", I'm think people are being far too nice here Sorry. I don't like you personal set of terms that you use (Eminem instead Mariner Marauder, Bling, Comsat, IE) which exemplify your lack of game knowledge. It doesn't help that you are making the wrong calls ingame, and then using what I would consider the wrong terms to describe said call.
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I think HD and PainUser were probably the best combo of them all but HD just be you and dont try to change based on the occasion. I am not a huge fan of DJ Wheat personally so that why I thought HD and PainUser were the best.
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1st. Painuser is superb caster in every aspect of casting and HD you bring out the fun part of him during your co-cast that gives me a lot of giggles during watching. The ways to improve for you HD is that you are too predictable what you are going to say(one dimensional). Its like i have seen you cast 20 games this month and in every situation i already know what you are going to say . I`ll say it another way : your always scratching the surface the same way(predictable), while the best casters bore holes in different directions(not predictable). To change that you should learn and think deeper about the game a bit more.
All in all I think you are the 2nd most entertaing casting duo behind tastosis.
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I love the chemistry between you and Painuser.
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painuser is good HD sucks. He thinks he is a really good player when basically he is shit and a twat to listen too. When painuser says something from his past as being a pro gamer HD always tries and says something about himself making out as if he has been a pro gamer when he hasnt never will be and will never be good at commenting. Ditch HD bring in CP and everything will be much better for IPL even bring fucking joshy in instead of HD. Painuser rules though.
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On October 12 2011 00:32 Cookiee wrote:
painuser is good HD sucks. He thinks he is a really good player when basically he is shit and a twat to listen too. When painuser says something from his past as being a pro gamer HD always tries and says something about himself making out as if he has been a pro gamer when he hasnt never will be and will never be good at commenting. Ditch HD bring in CP and everything will be much better for IPL even bring fucking joshy in instead of HD. Painuser rules though.
Get out if you dont have anything constructive to say.
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Try to be civil, guys... saying HD is a 'twat' is just unnecessary.
I've never understood why people don't like you. Sure, you don't know as much about the game as PainUser, but I much prefer the sound of your voice. No offence to him, but he sounds a little nasal.
As a casting duo, you were good. Not amazing, but pretty darn solid. I would listen to you again, easily.
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Hey I just wanted to stop by to say that I think you two are one of the best casting combos out there.
You're fun (The visine jokes and the 3d glasses thing was definitely funny) and you guys sound completely natural when you're making jokes and not forced. You're also very on topic and focused on the game. Something that annoys me when I listen to casters like doa is that they spend a lot of time trying to make jokes and talking about possible situations with the jokes... I like the way you guys do it a lot.
Thanks for great casting at the IPL!
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It's really great that you HD, are taking more of an emphasis on professional tournaments. I would much rather every day watch these countless tourneys with good casters.
My largest pet-peeve is when casters go off on tangents that have absolutely nothing to do with the game. When you don't know what to say when the action is slow, or the game just starts there is actually way more to talk about then you think. Come prepared with stats. Talk about the players, the map, matchup, metagame with the two players, etc.
It's a serious tournament, keep it that way. ESPN casters don't start talking about something silly like if a bear beats a wolverine.
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You guys have a good chemistry and I enjoy your combo the most out of the three combos involving you and catspajamas.
HD, I would modulate your excitement more. You do a great job of being excited, but you shouldn't be at a really high level of excitement all game. The best casting is when the pitch, tone, and energy of the cast is matched by what's going on in the game. When the game and the cast have that synergy, the whole experience becomes that much greater for the viewer. The best way to achieve this is to never fake it. Never try to make the game more exciting than it is. Imagine if you were just watching the game - would you really want to scream that much about that octodrop?
Painuser - you have a tendency to say "certainly" and "I agree" after what HD says. You don't need to. Even if you do agree, just move on to what you were going to talk about next anyway. Casting should feel like a natural conversation (at least in rhythm) - who in real conversation says "I agree" before responding to someone else? Also, if HD is clearly wrong, tell him so. I know you do do this during the broadcast of the qualifiers, but seemed a little more hesitant when you were up on stage.
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blings that was supper annoying to hear
lings+banelings next time
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I enjoyed the casting from everybody, but HD and Painuser could use a little bit of work. I think HD needs to tone down his excitement when there's really not that excitement and Painuser needs to keep doing what he is doing but tweak a few things.
I think the reason why there are so many haters in this thread is because HD is a gateway caster. He helps new people get into E-Sports (I was one of them) and I think his "basic" game knowledge doesn't fit people who watch and play the game competitively.
Me and a friend were watching all weekend and she was having a hard time understanding some of HD's terms since he likes to abbreviates so I had to do a little explaining, but after a while she got used to it and learned the basics of Starcraft while watching day 4.
So my advice to HD is to not overhype everything, tone down the excitement until something actually happens. You need to talk more strategy and execution and overall gameplay. Other than that, I feel like if you relax a little more, try a little less to please everyone, I think HD can be a fine caster. HD got me into Starcraft so I am always grateful for that, but if he improves his analysis and gameplay sense rather than just knowledge of units and roles, he will become a great caster to go alongside Painuser.
Painuser is kinda monotone and could lighten up a bit. But I like his analysis and gamesense.
Overall was a good cast and an awesome Tournament. Best of luck in the future.
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I love you guys. You have so much chemistry together, you joke around, you know each other personally and I think that makes you a great pair. I specially enjoyed when you both used Visine (Visine fighting!) and when you both put on the 3D glasses.
HD: "How are your eyes?"
PU: "Great"
HD: "I can't see anything."
PU: "Me neither"
*crowd lols*
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