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Coopa826 Germany161 Posts October 11 2011 16:01 GMT #281 everytime you sad m+m it sounded like eminem. ^^ you brought me into sc2. i thank you a lot my friend.

creamyy United States46 Posts October 11 2011 16:06 GMT #282 IMO it's a shame that catpajamas doesn't get more love. I think him and DOA were awesome together. That being said HD and Painuser were ok but just ok not sure if it was the miss calls or at times not hearing eachother. I know it's a tough gig but i wouldn't put this duo in the top 3.

Nemireck Canada1875 Posts October 11 2011 16:08 GMT #283 My only issue with your casting is your use of acronyms to describe things in the game. During your casts, a Planetary Fortress becomes a "PF", which is ok because I know what a "PF" is, but there are a number of viewers that will hear that and wonder wtf you're talking about. "MnM" is another example of an acronym that you'll use that should be avoided. Experienced players will know that "MnM" is Marine Marauder, but many viewers don't know exactly what you mean. You should only use these acronyms if you're also going to explain, right away, what that acronym means (Tasteless style). Specific to your casting HD, I would only say that you should invest some time into improved articulation. It sounds like you have an accent and that's fine, but all the more reason to work on your articulation. You're job is to talk to the viewer and tell that what's going on, the better you can be at that, the more enjoyable your cast will be. A couple of examples include your pronunciation for "gold", where you might say "The terran is taking the 'gode' base." I get it, we all get it, that's your accent, but you CAN improve that (remember, Day9 has a lisp) with a simple drama technique. Three times a day, simply repeat this sentence, which a particular focus on pronouncing the "L" sound in each word "The Long Lost zergLing could bareLy hoLd the goLd aLL aLone." Another example was your constant declarations that "The Ess-See-See" was going to do something. Again, focus on saying "The Ess-Tee-See". To people complaining about your game knowledge, tell 'em to shove it. Sports casters all over the world are constantly wrong in their analysis of the game. Sometimes complaining about a team's strategy having glaring weaknesses while the team steamrolls their opponent, other times declaring a player is having a great/poor game while they suck/dominate. Predictions are just that, predictions, and predictions can be wrong. One last thing, sometimes you guys would forget to have the production tab/unit tab up. Stop that. Always keep one or the other running, with quick glances at the other tabs for periodic updates.

CustomKal Canada749 Posts October 11 2011 16:09 GMT #284 Totally love painuser's casting. I find that you call stuff too early though and that there are also a lot of time's where you simply keep going and don't let the other caster in at all. Even sometimes when it was very obvious that painuser was about to say something and just got cut off.

Zorkmid 4410 Posts October 11 2011 16:13 GMT #285 I think you guys are pretty good. I think you should consider segregating your roles a bit more (I feel like you do this a little). What is mean is HD should primarily be the play-by-play guy (tone down the excitement and hyperbole a smidge), and PainUser should be the Analyst. I'm not saying you both can't do both, but I always prefer this method my default, maybe because it's the standard in Pro Sports. I LOVE the Gordon Hayward shenanigans and the Interviews that you feature in between games. Also, not sure if this is the place for it, but the parts where you watch diamond players or whatever doesn't really fly with me. The parts where PainUser and HD actually ladder and commentate is pretty cool. It's neat to hear what the guy looking over your shoulder thinks. All in all, to me IPL is right up there with MLG in terms of production and casting quality. I personally feel that CatsPajamas(?) may be the most underrated caster in the entire SC2 scene. And I want to see and hear this beautiful man much more often. NASL, MLG......you listening?

OnlineHero Denmark647 Posts October 11 2011 16:13 GMT #286 I thought you guys did great. I don't really care if a caster makes a wrong call here and there, because I can usually deduce what's happening for myself. I guess some people need to be told everything to understand what's happening though. I enjoyed all the caster duos and I thought IPL3 was a fantastic event. + Show Spoiler + More Lani

crms United States11933 Posts October 11 2011 16:15 GMT #287 The vibe I get during HD/PU casts: -They aren't really good friends -I don't feel as though they are knowledgeable -Their interaction and banter is very forced with little to no chemistry, lots of dead moments -HD seems very nervous all the time in his speaking This combo is far from the worst but it's generally one of the least enjoyable. I was sad that DjWheat/dApollo weren't given the finals and ended up muting quite a large portion of the finals just to listen to friends on ventrilo and later on Day9 semi-comment on the games from his stream. I think with more practice/training you guys could be fine, I just don't feel it right now. It doesn't feel like a professional 'IGN' level cast. Also, I'll echo the sentiment that overall game knowledge needs to be improved. For reference, game 3 (I believe) in the finals HD you go on and on at length about lucky playing so dangerously greedy by taking his 3rd so quickly and how stephano should really punish that greedy play etc., but stephano had already taken an even earlier third that was about 50% more complete than luckys. ~_~

Reborn8u United States1761 Posts October 11 2011 16:18 GMT #288 I really enjoy your casting, the banter makes it even better. The only thing I would improve is the depth of analysis. I generally watch pro games to learn, the more information and understanding that gets shared during a cast, the more I like it. Sometimes you two go very deep into the game, other times it's more of play by play and more casual. I prefer the discussion of strategy myself. Keep up the great work!

Vinx Canada259 Posts October 11 2011 16:22 GMT #289 Sorry HD, but it just felt like you never felt comfortable up there. The health bars were on, the missed calls and mini map tracking, the premature assumptions. Not to mention the awkwardness between games... at least painuser was calling u on it haha. I'm not saying give up. Just need to go back, look at the footage and see where you can improve. All the best in the future. edit: ling bling sounds bad(stupid), I would nip that in the bud

Introvert United States5065 Posts October 11 2011 16:28 GMT #290 I haven't read the the rest of this, so I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but game knowledge and grammar needs work (learn when words end in "ed", and when they don't, for example). On a positive note, you miss far fewer drops than you once did, so that's good You were one of the ones who got me into this game, so I look forward to seeing improvement!

Infieh 9 Posts October 11 2011 16:34 GMT #291 HD I think you've improved tons since you were at MLG and I've always liked painusers casting, banter pre and post game seemed to flow well and sponsor spots were really good. I'm on the 'more info' side of the fence, so I like to see swaps between unit and production tabs, as well as calling scv/drone counts after any heavy harassment. Need to work on minimap awareness, and more importantly the ZvZ matchup. It was clear in the finals that neither of you really understood the build interactions and which details were important to mention. Primarily production wise, with 2 hatch vs 1 hatch speedling vs bling, and the importance of queens dying.

lazyo Germany90 Posts October 11 2011 16:34 GMT #292 I had a pretty good time with your cast overall, but some things kind of aggrevated me. First, your use of acronyms and synonyms seemed out of place a lot of the time, referring to the middle of Antiga as "in the midfield" (PU) "in mid" and other terms that I can only assume are derrived from Sportscasts. But even those can't sugarcoat the fact that your casting was very repetitive in word usage. During the semis I counted 4 "midfield"s and 3 "mid"s during a single minute. Also I don't know why you would use such terminology as "m and ms" in a supposedly serious cast. Just stop using those acronyms alltogether and spell everything out. Overall you 2 have a good rhythm though, not too overhyped and shouting (like day9).

CKHound United States142 Posts October 11 2011 16:41 GMT #293 I loved hd's casting, but i felt that painuser really lacked a lot of things i like in a caster, for one it almost was too biased at times with every battle that stephano took TheSTC on in he would just always say that the terran should come out ahead, and stephano crushed him time and time again. I feel like if he knew more of the ins and outs of the other races a bit more he would be a better caster, but i feel hd is and always will be a top notch caster. Love catspajamas too ha

PhoenixDark United States286 Posts October 11 2011 16:43 GMT #294 As a master's player who keeps up with strategies, builds, and the meta game, HD is a very knowledgeable caster - especially for zerg. His casting was especially good during the ZvZ finals. PainUser is alright imo. He obviously understands Terran, but seemed kind of lost with regard to Zerg play.

Jedclark United Kingdom903 Posts October 11 2011 16:45 GMT #295 A lot of casters use the Production tab as cruise control, and it really kills it knowing what will happen. I also don't like it when casters say, "I think it's gg" - you're more or less ending the game for the spectator, try and hype up the person who is "losing" so it is better for the people watching, more exciting.

Chicane United States7875 Posts October 11 2011 16:45 GMT #296 Personally, you two were not my favorite duo at IPL, but I still did not mind your casting. Of course you can improve in many of the ways mentioned here, but I honestly think you guys did a pretty good job.

shtdisturbance Canada613 Posts October 11 2011 16:48 GMT #297 they were my favourite of all the casting pairs at the event. I would obviously like some of the bigger duos but i dont mind them.

IPA United States3206 Posts October 11 2011 16:51 GMT #298 To be quite honest, you guys are leaps and bounds behind DJWheat and Apollo in terms of chemistry, (Apollo's) game knowledge, and Wheat's controlled energy and passion. They set themselves apart at the IPL and I think watching them would prove beneficial.

Chinchillin United States259 Posts October 11 2011 16:57 GMT #299 I personally really like your duo, always have! Great stuff at IPL3

monx Canada1400 Posts October 11 2011 16:57 GMT #300 HD : Game knowledge is way too low for this kind of tournament. Imo you need to let go the analyst point of view and focus on the entertainment value of the cast. PainUser : too much biased toward Terran imo. For a P user, this is kinda boring sometimes. But can be interesting too depending on the situation.

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