EPTPainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 17
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kituatembo
United States39 Posts
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Ziktomini
United Kingdom377 Posts
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Alerosin
England23 Posts
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On a positive note you have a great casting voice and generally good flow when talking (except when u get excited about stuff that fills like you are just filling in to increase excitement, we all love starcraft its really not needed until the big stuff happens) keep up the good work we all have areas that we need to improve on in our respective jobs or hobbies or w/e | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
On October 11 2011 20:24 Chillton wrote: PainUser, stop using words that you have no idea what they mean It would really help Painuser if you were specific with what words he misused or wasn't correct on the meaning of. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
chemistry: good entertainment: good awareness: pretty bad analysis: lacking surprisingly much i think you should try to talk to artosis or other great analysis casters, even progamers and ask them how to improve on this and then focus very much on it. maybe you should try talk to apollo, i talked to him the other day and he said he has been focusing on this exact part very much lately and i can tell, its working great for him you did a good job overall but see it like this. the game is constantly evolving and the progamers has to practice so hard to keep up, now casters has to do the exactly same thing. even if you did a good job you need to improve to not fall behind the rest of the content people watch. you cant just as a caster sit and cast games to improve upon it, its like saying progamers practice by playing tournaments, which is somewhat ineffective. sit down alone in your room in silence and actually study everything thats going on in a replay/vod, from both perspectives. understand the game, understand the timings and learn the builds to detail. the reason why people actually love listening to idra casting is because he can see both players bases tell what builds they have and who is ahead and if a timing attack will kill them etc, he can do this because he knows how to identify a build, knows the timing of it and knows what it is supposed to counter and how to stop it/scout it. seeing 4 rax and calling one player is gonna do some sort of bio aggression is not analysis, im not directing any of this to you but im just painting a picture of how actually complicated things are if you wanna do it perfectly also as im reading through other peoples comments it just shows that what viewers actually want is very different from another. i read some guys dont want you to tell who is ahead and instead pretend its even all game long which i personally think is retarded, but hey thats his opinion and i have my own. i guess you just need to figure out what you want to be as a caster, on what level do you want to be on and what audience do you want to direct at, and from there you quickly will know what you need to improve and focus on | ||
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phos4
Germany226 Posts
- your game knowledge (of all three races) and/or knowledge of the scene is not what i expect of casters in your position, so many things you say are just wrong - often times you are way to biased towards one player and hype up everything he does + spend all the time in his base / over his army so that it is very hard to know what the other guy is doing. - i actually like how you bring your own flavor by using words like "brethren", but you are overdoing it. i don't want to hear a discussion whether we see a flock or gaggle or whatever of mutas ever again. in a game of sc2 so much is happening, don't waste your time with the same things over and over again. another tip (maybe your are already doing this): you should watch to your own casts and a look critically for mistakes/things you don't like just like watching a replay. at the end of the day you can't please everybody, but if like yourself what you are doing it shouldn't be to bad. | ||
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iDrone
United States176 Posts
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Slithe
United States985 Posts
One thing I want to add is that there are times when you two disagree on an analysis of a situation, which is not a bad thing on it's own, but sometimes the flow of the casting gets disrupted by the discussion. I think this is a consequence of two commentators both trying to do too much analysis. To be clear,I don't think there should be a strict play-by-play commentator and analyst role, because some dialogue is good. I think you could distinguish your roles a bit more, and the chemistry would be better. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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lorcasTV
Canada100 Posts
1- Caster duos needs to be natural. When they have the early game chatter, it needs to feel natural. Unfortunately this felt forced. I have noticed other casters were a lot more natural (Catspajamas & DOA comes to mind). If you can't do it naturally, find something else to do and if you can't, you shouldn't be casting together. 2- Game experience/knowledge. PainUser has it to some extent, HD doesn't. That alone isn't a big deal. However if you don't know something, don't talk about it. HD seems to have a lack of game knowledge and needs to keep to play-by-play until he covers up that lack of knowledge. There's nothing worse than calling something that's wrong and having your spectators predict it better than you. I've had a similar experience while watching hockey with Benoit Brunet. The guy was awful and kept doing a very poor job analyzing and calling stuff wrong. If you can't do it, don't do it. 3- Game flow and hype... I have to agree with 0neder on this one. This is something all casters needs to do so it's not so much of a HD/PainUser thing. You need to hype what's going on now instead of killing the game 10 minutes in when there's 15 minutes left. Also I have to point out to help 0neder with his argument the TSL3 finals. Hotbid purposely hid the production tabs at key points and kept us in the dark over some things. I remember that game on crossfire as being the biggest suspense game ever. Naniwa containing Thorzain and nearly breaking him until that 1 medivac shows up to help clean the contain. I almost had a heart attack, and this is a good thing. Casters should start doing this more. Anyway, I'm sorry that's a bit harsher than I thought it would be. But the points are still valid, find a co-caster where you don't sound overly fake, learn about the game or stick to play-by-play and try and keep the suspense in a game alive until then end. Hope this helps | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
I noticed many times that you guys don't pay attention to it at all or notice things too late (example: one Terminus game where Protoss was going two stargate right next to each other and it was frustrating to hear HD theorize for the longest time how 1 stargate pressure was going to work.) Also, I think "all-in" is an overused term. Of course many casters do this so this is not specific to you guys but not every aggressive build is an "all-in." | ||
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tripfiend
India45 Posts
Even though I stopped watching Huskies commentaries a while back.. I think his pairing with Day9 goes really well.. where both caster know exactly what their roles are and are comfortable doing it. A lot of people have already said the play by play vs analysis dynamic.. and I totally agree with the fact that you should concentrate on the play by play more and leave the analysis to Painuser. And by play by play, i mean not digressing into random anecdotes. but aggressively following whats going on on the minimap, and the match. Just react to the games more, know your players,their play styles, and dont get too stuck to any narrative.. leave the metagaming to Painuser. Again, you do a far better job than I can ever do. And I wish you the best.. since I did start with SC2 with yours and huskies videos. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Just to add, it's also perfectly ok to disagree with each other during a cast. Good chemisty doesn't mean you guy have to get along all the time and blindly agree to everything the other person says. The only thing more annoying and obnoxious than listening to a guy being constantly off the mark, is if the other person stays quiet or just casually agrees to avoid confrontation. I sincerely hope that I don't feel the need to mute the stream in your future casts. | ||
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
painuser so handsome | ||
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
Broadcasting wise you need to stop doing rookie-mistakes Yelling/clapping/scratching etc. You have a mic, its sounds terrible to the audience. Focus more on the actual game/players. Try to find good timings when to talk and not talk (that usually grows over time but u guys have casted alot before if Im not mistaken). Listen to each other. Dont use alot of "uhh" and "aahhh" after every sentence etc You have good chemistry try to harness it and you have a nice excitement to the game, the banter with the audience was nice but dont do it too much (try to talk to each other instead).... Thats my 2 cents. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
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Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
wasn't samsung your main sponsor? How come it was the one you made the very least advertising for? It appealed as if Visine had bought and gifted you both casinos, there were a lot of other sponsors and then there was Samsung that just supported you with 10 free monitors to give away. That was really messed up for me :| | ||
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Hambone636
United States62 Posts
I believe it will help I watched IPL3 with 5 other friends, and we all came to the same conclusion about the 3 casting duo's casters I like Painuser enough But there were many times we would cringe or shake our heads in response to your analysis/general comments. You make so many calls that are wrong, and get way too excited over things that are irrelevant Since you have little meta game knowledge do not try to predict anything, because it usually ends up making you look bad My advice - just do play by play, alerting Painuser to what is going on and make sure what you say is correct before you say it, and don't do that fake laugh nonsense Also, stick to the game, players and their teams - while Tasteosis can talk about silly things and make it work and be funny - you do not have that ability With all that being said, I am glad you are trying and don't give up - you will do fine GL in improving | ||
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Pesto
United States121 Posts
I agree with everyone else that HD's analysis needs to improve but I know that the "casting reactor" has the potential for hilarity, they just need to grow more confidence for the live events, gl. | ||
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