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rainbowbear
Denmark25 Posts
However, please for the love of god, and don't take this the wrong way, stop saying 'M&Ms' and 'blings'. It just does not sound professional at all, and it gets incredibly old. Especially considering how many of the games this tourney were TvZs. Other than that (which might be nitpicking) I absolutely love both of your casting! | ||
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peacenl
550 Posts
Of course there is always room for improvement, but I guess staying 100% genuine and true to form is the most important advice I can give - and what it all boils down to - because it shows when you are trying to fake something. E.g., fake enthusiasm or over analyzing stuff that is non-revevant. | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
Painuser alone = okay HD + Painuser = NICE You work well together, just keep them casts coming  | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On October 12 2011 03:50 MorroW wrote: personality: good chemistry: good entertainment: good awareness: pretty bad analysis: lacking surprisingly much i think you should try to talk to artosis or other great analysis casters, even progamers and ask them how to improve on this and then focus very much on it. maybe you should try talk to apollo, i talked to him the other day and he said he has been focusing on this exact part very much lately and i can tell, its working great for him you did a good job overall but see it like this. the game is constantly evolving and the progamers has to practice so hard to keep up, now casters has to do the exactly same thing. even if you did a good job you need to improve to not fall behind the rest of the content people watch. you cant just as a caster sit and cast games to improve upon it, its like saying progamers practice by playing tournaments, which is somewhat ineffective. sit down alone in your room in silence and actually study everything thats going on in a replay/vod, from both perspectives. understand the game, understand the timings and learn the builds to detail. the reason why people actually love listening to idra casting is because he can see both players bases tell what builds they have and who is ahead and if a timing attack will kill them etc, he can do this because he knows how to identify a build, knows the timing of it and knows what it is supposed to counter and how to stop it/scout it. seeing 4 rax and calling one player is gonna do some sort of bio aggression is not analysis, im not directing any of this to you but im just painting a picture of how actually complicated things are if you wanna do it perfectly also as im reading through other peoples comments it just shows that what viewers actually want is very different from another. i read some guys dont want you to tell who is ahead and instead pretend its even all game long which i personally think is retarded, but hey thats his opinion and i have my own. i guess you just need to figure out what you want to be as a caster, on what level do you want to be on and what audience do you want to direct at, and from there you quickly will know what you need to improve and focus on I'm just quoting this because this is probably the most useful comment in here. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
 Not to take anything away from Cats,Doa, or djWHEAT, they were all amazing too | ||
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FluXen
Canada210 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
I couldn't care less about your personality, you can be whoever you like. But please have higher level knowledge of games and if you are the observer camera, please watch the goddamned minimap. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
I think that would help. Also, watch GSL and big tournys to keep up with current builds and the metagame. ^_^ | ||
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Fungal Growth
United States434 Posts
Long-time subscriber here to your channel and overall I liked the job you and HD did during IPL but there was room for improvement. HD, you need to take some zen classes...sometimes less is more and often times I felt your humor and enthusiasm was forced and made me cringe. I liked you better back in the HDH days when you were more professional, even-keeled and all-in-all very good (you sounded like a professional announcer). For some strange reason this has changed over time and you've become more casual, loud, and even vulgar and obnoxious at times. I think part of the problem is your redbull habit you picked up...when you drink this stuff you turn into an annoying squirrel... You don't want to drink red-bull...it's nasty stuff that has been banned in multiple countries because of the combination of Glucuronolactone and B12 that does a number on your cardiovascular and nervous system. Even the US military stopped using this as a stimulate duing the 60's because it acted too much like a hallucinogenic drug. My other gripe is that you seem to stray off a little too often. Understandable to a point...as with all commentators, staying on SC2 non-stop is not reasonable...but I think you've gone too far. As far as the mistakes you and PU made...I think this is understandable. ALL casters make a LOT of mistakes (even Day9 who is supposed to be the 'smartest caster'...he can be the worst sometimes). A number of posters above me are really overstating your mistakes IMO. The key when you're making observations...it just to ensure that you are stating your opinion instead of declaring the laws of physics. eg 'In my opnion he really needs to get a third base right now to stay in the game' (good!) or 'If he doesn't get a third base by now, he will lose' (not so good!) The humble attitude is more important than being 100% correct. PU...when I hear you cast, I don't feel like I'm learning anything new! (sorry) I don't know if it would help if you and HD did more background research on the player's tactics or if you both need to ladder more (I suspect you've both slacked off since casting). As a protoss player myself, I must say, that I feel that knowledge-wise this is both of your weakest areas (by far) and it may help quite a bit to off-race as toss because nothing will beat personal experience. All in all, I want to end on a positive note and thought your casting was good (much better than DOA and Wheat...both of whom need more work than you and PU do). | ||
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Zerum
Sweden348 Posts
Edit: Oh! and the fucking camera controls! don't use the middle mouse button for observing. Casting 101 is to click on the mini-map, use arrow keys and follow units. the middle mouse give a very shaky view that dose not move smooth at all. | ||
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chipman
United States139 Posts
1) HD reminded me of swifty from warcraft. He makes a living on youtube and with razer but even I was a far better player and had a deeper understanding of the game, not that warcraft is comparable with the all encompassing universe known as starcraft. 2) Painuser seems a little stiff. His posture was a little too good/rigid, he didn't appear comfortable, but not many would be. Going from a small stream of just your gameplay to speaking in front of a large crowd for hours. 3) The clapping really annoyed me. Maybe it was just a personal issue, but I'm not used to that and didn't like it. It felt a bit awkward in addition to some awkward pauses. The Posisitve 1) (first off this is what I like talking about) Painuser had exceptional game sense and awareness. I've watched his stream before and although he tends to get a bit whiny on that platform about other races in general, his slight terran bias just came hand in hand with his knowledge of the race. It was a good thing. We don't love political, awkward casters who can't put themselves out there. 2) There was a high level of energy! HD is used to this as it's the main draw for those on youtube looking for an energetic personality, and painuser did his best. 3) This is more of a ign/ipl thing than caster, but I really liked the interviews. I got to to see a lot of people behind the scene that don't get much attention, or do get attention and those who I wanted to hear from, but don't always get much face time because they got knocked out. Overall the clapping into the mics/awkwardness aside I'd say you did a great job and I'd enjoy seeing you co'cast more events! Anything else would just be over nitpicking or giving you credit for pay you may not deserve so I'll leave it at that and wish you guys the best in the future. Good luck! | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On October 12 2011 06:55 McFeser wrote: I'm just quoting this because this is probably the most useful comment in here. Wow, yeah. It was a very good post, and by a pro no less. Thanks for quoting it. | ||
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Licorice
United States14 Posts
In regard to over all game knowledge, Painuser has more. It doesn't seem to be a massive gap, though it is certainly easily noticed. Painuser also seems to have a bias towards Terran, I feel as though Catspajama's, the diamond Protoss player, has less bias for his race than Painuser does for his. Your chemistry/rapport isn't bad, but I feel this isn't THAT important for casting. Just be a good caster and you'll have good rapport with almost anyone you cast with. Look at Day9 or Artosis. They can sit down and cast with almost anyone, and still do a good job. That isn't to say that Artosis doesn't cast his best with Tasteless, and will cast just as well with a random caster, but you get the point. Another thing that has been brought up in this thread that I agree with is awareness. I remember seeing shit happening on the mini-map that wasn't brought up or even talked about, though I cannot remember a highly detailed instance of this, it has been brought up quite a bit so I don't feel the need to dwell on this to much. Though I won't pretend I got everything, I think you and PU will become very good casters due to your commitment to improving, if this thread is indicative of anything. As an aside, I'd also like to address the HD commercial where he randomly asks the toll lady if she likes Starcraft. I died a little inside. It was quite awkward and strange. If a first time Starcraft viewer had seen that commercial, I think that would have just made them think that the game isn't full of cool, interesting people, but awkward try-hards and scared them off. Please be more aware of such things. The rest of the commercial was cool, though. | ||
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spacek
United States213 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
EG: "X player is gonna need to do something to get back into this game, he is so behind!" X player is 40 supply ahead of Y player... As well, your casts were extremely terran and zerg biased. Other than that, it was a very energetic and fun cast, I really enjoyed it | ||
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rza
Canada384 Posts
sometime he takes way too much time explainin 1 thing while the game keep going, i see hd trying to get back on the game but something painuser just keep explaining something we dont want him to explain.. well, i have to say that i only watched 3-4 games of you guys hd as always i found u were very good, one of my fav caster since the beta! | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On October 12 2011 03:50 MorroW wrote: personality: good chemistry: good entertainment: good awareness: pretty bad analysis: lacking surprisingly much i think you should try to talk to artosis or other great analysis casters, even progamers and ask them how to improve on this and then focus very much on it. maybe you should try talk to apollo, i talked to him the other day and he said he has been focusing on this exact part very much lately and i can tell, its working great for him you did a good job overall but see it like this. the game is constantly evolving and the progamers has to practice so hard to keep up, now casters has to do the exactly same thing. even if you did a good job you need to improve to not fall behind the rest of the content people watch. you cant just as a caster sit and cast games to improve upon it, its like saying progamers practice by playing tournaments, which is somewhat ineffective. sit down alone in your room in silence and actually study everything thats going on in a replay/vod, from both perspectives. understand the game, understand the timings and learn the builds to detail. the reason why people actually love listening to idra casting is because he can see both players bases tell what builds they have and who is ahead and if a timing attack will kill them etc, he can do this because he knows how to identify a build, knows the timing of it and knows what it is supposed to counter and how to stop it/scout it. seeing 4 rax and calling one player is gonna do some sort of bio aggression is not analysis, im not directing any of this to you but im just painting a picture of how actually complicated things are if you wanna do it perfectly also as im reading through other peoples comments it just shows that what viewers actually want is very different from another. i read some guys dont want you to tell who is ahead and instead pretend its even all game long which i personally think is retarded, but hey thats his opinion and i have my own. i guess you just need to figure out what you want to be as a caster, on what level do you want to be on and what audience do you want to direct at, and from there you quickly will know what you need to improve and focus on Excellent post. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment! Starcraft is my passion. If I want cheap entertainment, I'll watch a generic sitcom. When I'm indulging in my passion, I want a whole lot more! | ||
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