EPTPainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 20
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mr.reee
121 Posts
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McPhiz
Canada183 Posts
First of all, I just want to say that you brought me in to starcraft 2 on youtube so I have always appreciated your casting. But now that I have a little bit more knowledge about how the game works I just wish that you could up on your game knowledge because I really enjoy your enthusiasm and humour and play by play commentary. | ||
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Dr.Sin
Canada1126 Posts
For another suggestion along the lines of what tree hugger said (excellent post btw), I'll use the EG Master's Cup as an example. When we'd have Wheat and Idra team up to cast a few games, Wheat would focus on describing the action, whereas Idra would analyze and comment on the tactics and mechanics. I think the separate roles really worked for them and I wonder if that might help with you. I really enjoyed that set up. This comment is not so much about casting, but it involved the casters. The camera control was inconsistent during the tournament and while I don't know who was controlling the camera when, it might be worth thinking about who does this. I remember the TSL had Hotbid, a non caster, do this. Sometimes IPL casters will go "blah blah blah BUT" closely followed by "blah blah BUT". I find the use of "but" inappropriate. It sets up the way we should be thinking about how a game is unfolding. The "but" is used as a stalling tactic as you transition to explain what the other player is doing. It sounds superficial, but it really gets under my skin. Ultimately, I find that it doesn't contribute to the analysis, it uses terms that should. This is used more by catspajamas and to a lesser extent, painuser. MorroW's post is also spot on (btw its a shame we haven't seen more of you in the past few months). Best of luck for the next IPL season gentlemen. | ||
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Heraklitus
United States553 Posts
I'll be honest man, your casting rubs me the wrong way. Here's what I think it is: You come off as very judgmental sometimes of what you're observing when obviously the people you're casting are better players than you are. For example, I often hear you say something like "I don't know what [player X] is doing here, and I can't say that I agree with this" in a very parental, condescending tone. If you're casting someone who is better than you are (which, let's be honest here, is most professional players), the default assumption should be that they know something you don't. When you do this, it annoys the people who know enough to be able to discern why they might be doing the thing you "don't agree with", and it also just misleads people who don't know any better than the person is screwing up. They might be doing something innovative and brilliant, but by the way you cast the play, the viewers are blinded to this possibility. Why not instead say, "Wow, this is really unexpected. Normally we'd expect [X]. Let's see what this player has in store for us here and how it will work out." That sort of statement alerts your viewers to both possibilities: that they really just might be screwing up and doing something dumb, or they might be doing something brilliant. I think it's even okay to sound skeptical sometimes "Wow, I've never seen this work before, we'll see how it goes. . .", but the whole "I can't say I agree with this" line just isn't the right thing to say. Even Artosis, who I think we can agree is an extremely knowledgeable caster, will often express his bewilderment and skepticism, but you can tell from the way he talks about it that he's open to the possibility that we might be seeing something new and brilliant. He thinks and knows that he's probably right about it being wrong, but he's often really good about coming off as "open" to it. I think if you could somehow improve what I'm talking about here you would go MILES towards mitigating some of the negativity you find yourself in the receiving end of. | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
I think both you and PainUser had a really big flaw, which was the lack of impartiality during the casts between Korean vs. Non-Korean. As I've mentioned in the IPL3 Feedback thread, there we're certains points during your casts that came nothing sort of ridicolous. There was a point in game 2 between Stephano and TheSTC where you both went on and said "This is exactly what TheSTC needs to get back into this!" while he was in fact 40 supply ahead, with more SCVs and 3 orbitals worth of Mules. I believe this made many people facepalm. Having an impartial and professional posture is a most if E-Sports is to grow into even larger audience. Besides that, you guys work well together. However, I would suggest that you develop into a more, if you will, "traditional" casting duo. What I mean by this is that you specialize either in play-by-play or game insight and commentary. HD, you have an enthusiasm that I really appreciate, and that is a "most" for any good play by play caster. So I sincerely suggest that you direct you casting in that way, while PainUser focus on game analysis and insight. This hope you don't take this as a disrespect towards you HD. It's just an opinion on how you can tune up better with each other. | ||
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
Calling banelings blings; calling marines and marauders m&m; assuming pro players are doing something wrong when their build goes over your head or they have noticed something you have not; Extreme forced excitement; saying you don't know who is winning when supplies are extremely skewed in one players favor (I'm not sure if this is because you are trying to keep it interesting or just never look at the supply); calling who will win a battle completely wrong and then trying to cover for it. There is nothing wrong with genuine excitement (see Artosis casting Nestea anytime he plays) but when you sound like a care salesmen it becomes off-putting. Also, be ok with not knowing something. When a battle occurs, instead of trying to tell us who is winning just give us a play by play of what is happening, highlighting interesting micro or positioning. On obsing- I don't know who was doing it but sometimes the obsing was horrendous. If you want to see what good observing is take a look at some of the WCG Korea qualifiers. You want to avoid scrolling all over the place. The observer tells a story through framing shots just like a photographer. You will notice the Korean observer will usually select a shot, slightly correct the camera and then leave it still for a few seconds while often highlighting specific things on the screen. He will then move to another spot on the map and repeat. I know this is difficult to do while casting which is why having a third person obs is really essential for high production tournaments. | ||
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kilergrunt
United States263 Posts
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faulty
Canada204 Posts
But if I'm being picky then I'd say I dislike hearing the phrase "I couldn't agree with you more" over and over again. gjgj | ||
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bootyclapthunder
United States82 Posts
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0ceangam3r
United States203 Posts
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Thaniri
1264 Posts
If HD says something stupid, don't roll with it. Otherwise good job. | ||
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KevinBacon
Portugal48 Posts
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WarSame
Canada1950 Posts
On October 12 2011 08:18 mr.reee wrote: hd & painuser both rolled their eyes at me when I gave them a cheer passing by in Caesar's. Pretty lame. I love how you were so offended by that you mention it in every thread that it might possibly relate to. | ||
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arfyron
518 Posts
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Clank
United States548 Posts
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
Don't get me wrong, you guys know your stuff, I just think that you guys do not synergize very well when there isn't anything to talk about game-related. | ||
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Hashbaz
United States340 Posts
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RedFoxOne
Canada39 Posts
I think that the two of you match very well. You guys being friends off-stage definitely contributes to the synergy you have. Great job! The casts were entertaining, funny, and you guys provided analysis of what is happening and why as well. | ||
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gunman103
United States84 Posts
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