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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
October 10 2011 18:39 GMT
#61
zzzzzz
what's the point of going for a month or 2?? prob wasn't happy so I understand that I guess :/
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Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
October 10 2011 18:39 GMT
#62
Its ok, he is going back to Korea after Dreamhack
:)
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
October 10 2011 18:40 GMT
#63
On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:
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On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo.

Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession...........

obnoxious.

Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does.


You dont need to learn a new language to be in a foreign country...
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kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
October 10 2011 18:41 GMT
#64
There are only 3 possible reasons a foreigner player with a GSL seed would decide to leave:

1) Not adjusting to the culture and/or not willing to make an effort.

2) Financial decisions. If you are sure you're not gonna make enough money according to your personal goals, leaving Korea for "easier" money seems like the only way to go.

3) Extra-gaming concerns, like family, health, whatever.
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Frequencyy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States344 Posts
October 10 2011 18:41 GMT
#65
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.

epic sarcasm. I'd liked for him to stay there simply because he'd obviously improve but he knows whats best for himself.
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 10 2011 18:42 GMT
#66
It is sad to have one less foreigner to root for in GSL. Best of luck to Sjow.
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Magnitoo
Profile Joined August 2011
Serbia125 Posts
October 10 2011 18:42 GMT
#67
It's perfectly understandable that he left imho. The reason you'd stay in Korea for a while is just to get the tips and tricks you need to improve, the rest comes with practice; and you can practice on the EU ladder just fine. Sure, the player skill standard might be a bit lower, but if you know what you need to improve and if you focus on it, no matter what opponent you are playing it will improve.

So to sum it up, I don't really mind that he left Korea, I just feel sorry about him leaving the GSL. Seeing another foreigner in Code A would've been nice, but alas, gl hf Sjow.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 10 2011 18:43 GMT
#68
On October 11 2011 03:14 Zic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


But why even go in the first place if you're not going to stay for very long?


He got a few months of practice, that's probably enough to make him a better player, so he can perform better in tournaments elsewhere.

You know, it's pretty hard to justify staying in korea to play code A when you could be making a lot more money elsewhere.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
October 10 2011 18:44 GMT
#69
Can't say I diagree with his decision. With ESWC coming up in two weeks, MLG Providence after that (assuming SjoW goes there; he'll be top16 in ranking points definatly so his bracket should be good) and then DreamHack Winter would make for an insane month of travelling. As we can see with HuK's results when he had that insane month the loss of practice time that way travelling that much is really detrimental for your performance.

On October 11 2011 03:18 Poyo wrote:
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On October 11 2011 03:14 Zic wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


But why even go in the first place if you're not going to stay for very long?



Agreed.

Atleast in Drewbie's case he's only there for a "bootcamp" as far as I know, so he's expected to return home.
I'm sure its a fantastic experience for a player to attend for a single season, get a taste of Korea and the pro gaming life over there, but I'm not sure how its financially worth it for the team.

To be honest with the exception of Naniwa and Fenix every single foreigner who took the GSL Code A invite did that to practice for a month in Korea with the GSL Match being just a bonus. Don't for a second think they actually go there for the money: the amount of money in the Korean scene is just pathetic when compared to the European scene where SjoW can make more money in a week with online cups then if he would win Code A.

What is actually the difference between taking a GSL Code A seed from GOM that they pay for instead of being sent by your team if the target is the same?

On October 11 2011 03:21 SolidMoose wrote:
Maka should get a free pass back in

Hell no. Maka threw that match the second he decided to completly shit over SjoW and then lost the remaining games. If anything he should be barred from the Qualifiers next season again to make room for a player that actually plays to win instead of one that plays to shit on his opponent.

On October 11 2011 03:13 Cyro wrote:
How does the code A system work with people qualifiying but leaving every season? Do they just draft in extras from preliminaries or whatever the system is?

They change the format of the Qualifiers a bit to provide another spot. Can also happen that they give another foreigner an invite who is based in Korea but outside the MLG Exchange system, for example Sase's invite this season.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
October 10 2011 18:47 GMT
#70
On October 11 2011 03:20 DivinO wrote:
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On October 11 2011 03:13 StuartLove wrote:
was woundered why he even went there.

compared to naniwa and sase he seems pretty bad.


I might have to disagree with you.

As good as NaNiwa and SaSe are they didn't make it past first round of GSL. :/

They play protoss.

I also don't understand why he'd go and tease us for just a season then go home. Foreigners need a diff attitude if they're going to win anything.
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FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
October 10 2011 18:47 GMT
#71
Jeffrey, Choya will miss you!!!!
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Punscho
Profile Joined January 2011
70 Posts
October 10 2011 18:48 GMT
#72
SjoW fighting!

Some of the comments here are so out of touch with reality I don't even...
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
October 10 2011 18:48 GMT
#73
Too bad to hear :-/ So many people would give their extra kidney for a chance like that!
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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 18:51:09
October 10 2011 18:49 GMT
#74
On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo.

Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession...........

obnoxious.

Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does.


Doesn't have to do with learning the language, has to do with the giant transition from western to eastern society. the shock of it all, of not being near his parents and friends and so on. Sleeping in a new bed in a new country, eating new food, so on.

stupidity.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
October 10 2011 18:50 GMT
#75
I wonder if this has anything to do with how isolated you are in Korea playing SC2 along with the difficulties of practicing alone in the foreigner house. From how many have described it, it's hard to compete with the combined effort in team houses when your only real practice comes from the Korean ladder.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 10 2011 18:51 GMT
#76
"After IEM I will attend ESWC and then return home for Dreamhack Winter but after that I think that I will go back to Korea."

It's not cheap to fly out to all these tournaments from and to Korea all the time. He will be back in Korea, it's just that he has a lot of tournaments coming up.

http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/Starcraft-II/431/Sweden-win-IesF-2011-World-Championships/
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kilergrunt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States263 Posts
October 10 2011 18:52 GMT
#77
SjoW I will still love you no matter what you do.
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Korlinni
Profile Joined April 2011
125 Posts
October 10 2011 18:52 GMT
#78
Should let alicia take his spot.
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Dectilon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden50 Posts
October 10 2011 18:55 GMT
#79
Well, it could be viewed similarly to that Red Bull-LAN. It's a short, intense practice period where you pick up new ideas, and then you go apply them in an environment you're comfortable with. I also get the impression that players who have experienced the practice environment in Korea they know what it takes to win against a player that almost never makes mistakes, and even if the competition isn't quite as strong you can still apply the methods learned. For example, maybe you don't land a drop that was technically spotted, even if the opponent doesn't react.
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
October 10 2011 18:55 GMT
#80
On October 11 2011 03:40 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo.

Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession...........

obnoxious.

Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does.


You dont need to learn a new language to be in a foreign country...


If you want to get by and no one speaks english in the country you are moving to you sort of do. I think people underestimate what it takes to adjust to live in a country where you can't communicate with anyone when you're used to at least being able to have some form of, however basic, communication with everyone in english.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
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