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Superneenja
Profile Joined December 2010
United States154 Posts
October 10 2011 18:26 GMT
#41
Possibility of making money in other tournaments > Staying in Korea and probably not advancing
Poyo
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada790 Posts
October 10 2011 18:26 GMT
#42
On October 11 2011 03:23 Thorakh wrote:
Who are we to question his decision? It's his life and if he didn't feel like staying in Korea would bring happiness, what more is there to say?

edit: and if he's going back to Korea, what is there to worry about?


Not questioning his decision, I'm questioning the team's decision to send him over to Korea for such a short time. I'm wondering wouldn't it benefit them to send someone who intends to stay for a longer time like HuK?
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Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
October 10 2011 18:27 GMT
#43
On October 11 2011 03:13 StuartLove wrote:
was woundered why he even went there.

compared to naniwa and sase he seems pretty bad.


Sjows mechanics and multitasking is honestly pretty bad compared to many other players. However he has fantastic decision making, which actually allows him to compete with players with far superior mechanics.

So no, Sjow is not pretty bad. With good mechanics and multitasking I bet he would be among the very top of foreigners. Which is why I was quite excited for him going to Korea, what better place to improve those two skills? Thus this news is quite disappointing to me, I would have liked to see what he could do with Korean training.

Still as it is Sjow is someone I at least expect to be at the very least among top 10 foreigners at just about any event he enters, and not at all surprised to see him among top 5 foreigners at any event. Calling him pretty bad in comparison to naniwa and sase is not fair at all.
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
October 10 2011 18:28 GMT
#44
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.

Similar to Koreans playing at one MLG then leaving again.

Although that's a bad comparison because the committment from the non-Koreans is much larger obvously (Staying 5-6 weeks compared to staying a single weekend). So much respect to the players who do this.


Welcome Home, Sjow.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37098 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 18:29:29
October 10 2011 18:28 GMT
#45
So after reading this thread,

I am thinking that:

Sjow did not go home because he wanted to leave Korea, he left to participate in other more important tournaments to him.

And he's been quoted saying he's probably going to return to Korea....

So let's stop the SjOw hate, and appreciate what he's brought on to the sc2 scene
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 18:29:23
October 10 2011 18:29 GMT
#46
On October 11 2011 03:23 Neelia wrote:
He stated the following after winning IeSF:

Show nested quote +
Looking ahead to IEM I am not sure if this has given me a boost as the opponents here were weak but having practised in Korea for a while now I think that I am in good shape. After IEM I will attend ESWC and then return home for Dreamhack Winter but after that I think that I will go back to Korea."


Maybe he just doesn't wont to fly around the world every second week. Everyone can see how this affects your play if you look at Huk.

As far as I know Code A was just a bonus, as he went to Korea to improve and not to play in the GSL.

I can respect that. Playing in Code A is a big commitment with very little financial reward. If he intends to go back to korea after playing in some international tournaments, all the power to him.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 10 2011 18:29 GMT
#47
On October 11 2011 03:12 YoiChiBow wrote:
Is it just based purely on the money and him trying to win EU tournaments instead? I wish more people would take NaNiwa and SaSe's approach and just try to become beasts that can actually compete at the top level.

Don't exclude Huk and Jinro from that list!
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
October 10 2011 18:30 GMT
#48
On October 11 2011 03:13 StuartLove wrote:
was woundered why he even went there.

compared to naniwa and sase he seems pretty bad.


SaSe didn't qualify, NaNiwa got knocked out first round and Sjow only just got knocked out 2nd round + the opponents he played were better.. and your saying he is bad
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apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
October 10 2011 18:30 GMT
#49
If Koreans are participating in as much foreign tournaments as they can to win money, then I absolutely do not see anything wrong with Sjow leaving Korea.
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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 18:35:07
October 10 2011 18:31 GMT
#50
On October 11 2011 03:18 Poyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:14 Zic wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


But why even go in the first place if you're not going to stay for very long?



Agreed.

Atleast in Drewbie's case he's only there for a "bootcamp" as far as I know, so he's expected to return home.
I'm sure its a fantastic experience for a player to attend for a single season, get a taste of Korea and the pro gaming life over there, but I'm not sure how its financially worth it for the team.


If it wasnt worth it then they woudnt have sent him. Unless the team is stupid.
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yarkO
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada810 Posts
October 10 2011 18:31 GMT
#51
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


It's almost as if you are implying that they had no idea this is what they signed up for...

There's a reason Idra was the only foreigner who played in Korea, and it wasn't just because he can play the game. He was actually willing to train their way to be their kind of good.

"Oh it's so tough, I don't speak their language" QQ
"Life is hard I miss my family" QQ

Sorry man but if you don't want to sacrifice, then don't put up a front like you actually want too.
When you are prepared, there's no such thing as pressure.
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
October 10 2011 18:31 GMT
#52
I can't see the whole going to korea automatically makes you better POV. especially as most of these players go to the GOM house and are surrounded by the same foreigners they've been playing in foreign competitions and on ladder for months. If they went over to train with korean teams sure, but playing in the GOM house isn't going to help anyone except giving you a better connection to the korea server. If he's not even practicing with the top korean players, he might as well come home and play in all the tournaments here to make more money, as opposed to sitting in a foreigner filled house playing one tournament a month.
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Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
October 10 2011 18:34 GMT
#53
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


True but sad. TT
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
October 10 2011 18:34 GMT
#54
He has other tournaments to attend I think that he is prioritizing over the GSL during the same time frame. He's using Korea as a training spot still, according to this article he is going to attend IEM, ESWC, and Dreamhack winter; after that he will return to Korea.

http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/Starcraft-II/431/Sweden-win-IesF-2011-World-Championships/
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IntotheNorth
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark116 Posts
October 10 2011 18:35 GMT
#55
exactly as what i expected.

as always ^^
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
October 10 2011 18:35 GMT
#56
I don't think sjow had any plan to stay in korea long term, it's not really a big surprise IMO. His plan was probably to train on korean ladder, play code A and IESF (turned out pretty good for him ^^) and then go back to sweden. I don't understand why people are shocked :s.
hipsterHobbit
Profile Joined September 2011
United States218 Posts
October 10 2011 18:35 GMT
#57
On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo.

Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession...........

obnoxious.

Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does.
StuartLove
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany267 Posts
October 10 2011 18:38 GMT
#58
On October 11 2011 03:20 DivinO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 03:13 StuartLove wrote:
was woundered why he even went there.

compared to naniwa and sase he seems pretty bad.


I might have to disagree with you.

As good as NaNiwa and SaSe are they didn't make it past first round of GSL. :/


oGsMC is code B, wanna tell me maybe that he is badder as sjow?
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
October 10 2011 18:38 GMT
#59
This is sad However I don't think we can jump to conclusions about his motivations/reasons for leaving early. I'm just not sure why a player who wishes to perform and play at his best would leave korea after getting such a unique opportunity, it's a shame really.

Best of luck to Sjow, and I hope he keeps improving and returns to Korea at some point to hone his skills!
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
October 10 2011 18:39 GMT
#60
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


This. I was rooting for SjoW to improve a lot and this came off as a disappointment.
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