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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
October 10 2011 20:50 GMT
#161
IdrA is also going to Korea in December for three-four months, after the tournaments are all over.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
October 10 2011 20:54 GMT
#162
On October 11 2011 05:49 Corrupted wrote:
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On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


Depends entirely on what their goals are. If you simply didn't know what their goals were before they left, then really it's on you and not them if they don't fulfill your fantasies with their Korean adventure.

Er more importantly i don't think many people beyond his immediate surroundings actually care how tired he is getting? SjoW is making a decision (a good one at that) about his career; the number of foreign tournaments is insane at the moment, and it would be pretty crazy for him to miss out on those opportunities. I am looking forward to see how he performs given his time in Korea

Best of luck SjoW
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
October 10 2011 21:14 GMT
#163
Its pretty sad to see people give sjow shit for leaving, they have no clue what its like in korea. The food is very different from other countries, and it is really not very healthy lol, most of it is good but there is a lot of seafood which i personally don't like. How many of you have lived in a country where you can't communicate with anyone AT ALL. It's not like if I were to visit Europe, where everyone can at least speak basic english, you can't read the signs you can't do anything. Living in a team house with all the Koreans is hard too, none of them speak English, and they have to train for GSL / GSTL / other things. When they train they want to be able to talk about the game and talk strategy and they just can't do that with foreigners, so they obviously would rather play with other Koreans. You can't even go out and do anything fun really... want to go out and see a movie? oh wait they are all in korean. Want to go out to a bar ? Oh wait the menu is in korean and I don't even know how to order a drink lol.

I personally had a good time in Korea and I am really happy that I came for 6 weeks, I could see myself staying here longer, it's amazing practice and the only way to really play at the highest level, even though it takes a LONG time, take huk for example he was always a top foreigner, but it took him almost a year to really start dominating foreigner tournaments. Its a lot more fun / easier to make a living in europe / north america and most people are just here for the experience. Code A isn't even a good deal for foreigners, its just fun to try it out and get owned by someone really good. Please, stop bashing on people for not moving to Korea, its not cool and you have no clue what you are talking about.
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
October 10 2011 21:17 GMT
#164
First person I've seen come back/talk about Korea and say that they didn't really like the food.
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
October 10 2011 22:14 GMT
#165
Tbh I think many foreigners actually suffer from going to Korea. Yes, practicing with top tier koreans is nice, but the environment and mentality isn't for everyone. Furthermore there is literally only one tournament if you don't have a team that sends you halfway round the globe every few weeks. If you don't qualify for GSL or get eliminated early on you're scewed. Even if you do get a lot better, often times you cannot reap the rewards of your improval.

For most foreigners I think it's actually much more of healthy training environment here in the west where there are tons of tournaments. If you drop the ball you just try again next week. I can also imagine you get way more sense of achievement over here.

Overall I think it's worthwhile to go to Korea, if only for the experience. Might also help to get a different perspective on Korean players. Eventually coming back is the right thing to do though imho. We 'foreigners' should just try to find our own way to match the Koreans in terms of skill, and I'm convinced that in time we will.

I wish you the best of luck SjoW. Hope you can tear up the tournaments like you used to.
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
jazzyjazz
Profile Joined October 2010
941 Posts
October 10 2011 22:17 GMT
#166
Food issues? but kbbq and kimchi is so good!!! I guess Korean food is quite different to Scandinavian food =(
Eat emmmmmmmmmm
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
October 10 2011 22:23 GMT
#167
Meh kind of agree but also kind of disagree, I think (as well as many others) that I would've like to seen his improvement from his time there, maybe we'll se in IEM and ESWC but still GSL is GSL.
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 10 2011 22:26 GMT
#168
On October 11 2011 03:14 Zic wrote:
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On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.


But why even go in the first place if you're not going to stay for very long?


to train? lol

I think it's the right decision, foreign tourney's pay more although they don't grant you a code S spot t.t either way hope to see Korean banjo Sjow own it up at Orlando (hope you're going)
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
October 10 2011 22:31 GMT
#169
Seems like his decision is well based in thought and I respect it. I hope to see the improvement from time spent training in korea at the next few tournaments.
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GGPope
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia367 Posts
October 10 2011 22:32 GMT
#170
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


Moving to a different country is a big thing. Most of them, when it comes to going to Korea, say, "I will go here for a month and see how it is like, and then return home." It's a logical choice; would you be fully keen on dropping everything and moving to Korea when there is more for you as far as money, friends and family in a different country? You might decide it's worth staying once you get there, but you'd be reluctant to make any huge "I'm going to stay here forever" plans if you hadn't even been to the country or lived in a Korean pro-house before.

As far as I can see, Sjow has shown commitment enough by moving there and trying it out. The fact that he says he wants to come back is convincing enough for me that he's dedicated to becoming good. We can't expect everyone to commit 100% of their lives to Korea straight off the bat.

Best of luck to Sjow and although I'm sad to see him miss out on his code A run, I'll be glad to see him back in December.
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
October 10 2011 22:33 GMT
#171
Unwilling to suck it up and improve in Korea + 0 chance of winning GSL + much easier time making money in foreign tournaments = few foreigners willing to stay in Korea. The cream will rise to the top: it's why regardless of natural talent, some people will plateau and cease to improve. This is totally fine, not everybody has to have the goal of being the best. Some people just want to have fun and maybe make some money, others might have families etc. Much respect to folks who commit to their goals and continue to grind it out (Jinro, Huk, etc.) even when things don't go well.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 10 2011 22:34 GMT
#172
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.


Well they go there to practice, playing in the gsl is just a bonus.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 10 2011 22:34 GMT
#173
I wonder if Sjow actually improved from staying 1 month in Korea. His apm is so low I can't imagine he picked up any of the multi-tasking reliant strategies Korean terrans love so much.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 22:59:02
October 10 2011 22:55 GMT
#174
You can obviously become good enough to win major international events by just practicing in Europe, which Stephano just proved. So why give up your friends, family and home to live in Korea if you don't want to?

As for people bashing SjoW (who isn't even leaving Korea), it seems really odd. Why shouldn't you be allowed to go to Korea for a month or two to see how you like it? I see no reason to at least try to lifestyle and playstyle there if you got the chance to do it.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
labbe
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
October 10 2011 22:56 GMT
#175
What are you all whining about? Sjow is leaving to korea to go to alot of events. After that he's returning. Can people please stop posting without reading the entire OP?
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 22:58:03
October 10 2011 22:56 GMT
#176
On October 11 2011 07:55 Paladia wrote:
You can obviously become good enough to win major international events by just practicing in Europe, which Stephano just proved. So why give up your friends, family and home to live in Korea if you don't want to?

Ever think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, Stephano might be more talented and exceptional than your average pro grinding it out on the EU ladder? Not everyone is capable of succeeding without the right tools.
#TeamBuLba
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 10 2011 22:57 GMT
#177
Excited to see him back at Code A to be honest, of course: IEM is coming up! Very interested in that!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
October 10 2011 23:03 GMT
#178
On October 11 2011 07:56 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2011 07:55 Paladia wrote:
You can obviously become good enough to win major international events by just practicing in Europe, which Stephano just proved. So why give up your friends, family and home to live in Korea if you don't want to?

Ever think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, Stephano might be more talented and exceptional than your average pro grinding it out on the EU ladder? Not everyone is capable of succeeding without the right tools.

He shows us that it can be done. He is obviously very talented but that is a requirement for winning a major tournament so I don't see why that even has to be brought up. You also face people like Stephano on the EU ladder and can practice versus him, as well as people like Mana and Thorzain (to name one of each race).

Practicing with people like Stephano, Mana and Thorzain is likely as good of a practice as you can get. It is obviously enough to win major tournaments.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
October 11 2011 00:45 GMT
#179
On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.

Get over it, it isn't cheap to stay in Korea just for GSL for a month.
FOOTBALL
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
October 11 2011 11:50 GMT
#180
Found out about this through PlayXP.. was really sad at first but good to know that SjoW has learned a lot from his short trip and has every intention to return. Best of luck to SjoW in his future endeavors and I look forward to seeing how he does in the future. Fighting!
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