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I hope the OP gets edited to explain that Sjow will (or at least intends to) return to Korea after Dreamhack Winter.
Besides that I'll say that the only valid critique against Sjow is that leaving a tournament that you're qualified for might give a bad impression on the foreigner community (if a lot of other foreigners do that as well), but it's not THAT bad.
It's also quite alright if you're tired of people leaving Korea when they're seemingly in a good spot to continue and improve, but you can't fault individual players for that and should if anything direct your frustration to GOM and demand a better training environment and such. The players who go to Korea have no obligations to conceited TL-posters who demand more successful foreigners in the GSL. We may all be valuable to the collective SC2 community, but individual players can never and should never be expected to care about what we think is best for them or for us.
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On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote:
Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
That is great to hear. Best of luck!
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On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote:
Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
Best of luck at IEMNY and ESWC!!! I will be rooting for you!
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On October 11 2011 04:39 Aureknight wrote:
Ive said it all along....Korea is not worth going. You give up so much for so little. There are way too many tournaments online now or even tournaments closer in EU and the US. Only reason everyone gets all hyped up is that its GSL. GSL is not dumb. They are offering all these code A spots to all these tournaments to make their league be the one that all want to be a part of. By doing this they are caliming to be the best. Yes they are the best, but wont last forever plus there are so many tournies now that players DONT NEED to go to korea. Im actually suprised other tournaments havent said...No Ty GSL....we dont need your code A spot. We are the best here and we dont need to be playing seconf fiddle to you guys. The only one that is not kissing bootie to GSL is the NASL. Wether GSL didnt include them or NASL said yeah right we dont need you is up to debate. NASL is the only league that has grab thier CAJONES and said....no GSL....we are not second to you. In the long run the NASL will be the more efficient way to do high level tournaments. You only bring the best of the best to the finals like NASL. GSL knows this and they dont want to lose their hold on SC2. They know they need to make some way to legitimize themselves as the best by bringing foreigners. They know if they include others and bring them then they got them were they want them (league wise). Is it not obvious why so many foreigners leave? Many could tell you that, but i guess they need to see it for themselves. The best example of this is the BLIZZARD CUP. C'mon now. Do you really think the winners of those tournaments are really the best of the best? I mean they are very good but we could actually switch so many of those winners with some from korea GSL. It will be a very good league to see, but i go back to my point. GSL just wants to include all these foreign tournamnets winners to ligitimize themselves as the league of leagues. All these foreig tournaments need to man up and start making their tournaments be the most important to them. They dont need GSL to know that they are good.
Cool story BUT GSL doesn`t need foreigners to claim to be the best. We have seen MANY GSL players win foreign tournaments where as we don`t see any foreigners tearing shit up in GSL. Take the blinders off, GSL might not be the best international tournament but it definitely has the toughest competition and huge prize pool for the best players every month.
NASL bringing the best of the best to the finals? Hmmm..
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On October 11 2011 04:41 Grimmyman123 wrote:
I'm not surprised. He won his ticket into Code A, and has spent some time learning in Korea.
Really though, would a pro gamer spend 2-6 months practising and trying to get through Code A... and what was the prize again for Code A? Something like $1300 bucks and a Code S seat? Yeah, that's really worth it. (sarcasm)
Yeah, a seat in the best and most prestigious tournament in the world, why would a progamer want that... That's like saying playing in the english Championship isn't worth it because you can "only" win a seat in the Premiership.
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fair enough to the guy. It can't be easy
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EDIT: Remove please! 
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On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote:
Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
Please, please put this in the OP. Really will decrease the amount of sad replies like mine I just did! Keep it up SjoW!
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in the answar to the sjow leaving a korean tournament. Lots of koreans left NASL in a controversial way ,so it happens both ways around. I think he doesnt deserve that much flame at all.
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On October 11 2011 04:23 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:49 cz wrote:On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something. Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo. Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession........... obnoxious. Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does. Doesn't have to do with learning the language, has to do with the giant transition from western to eastern society. the shock of it all, of not being near his parents and friends and so on. Sleeping in a new bed in a new country, eating new food, so on. stupidity. I'm so confused which side you are arguing for.
whichever side is winning
its all about winning. gotta be right.
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On October 11 2011 04:49 SjoW wrote:
Dont worry guys I will come back to korea. I dont think I can attend to code A next season since I will play other tournaments such as IEM newyork, ESWC and then I would like to participate wcg sweden and swedish masters etc.
I've had a great time here, and I also feel like I improved alot. Only thing that was bothering me is the food and also slightly the language barrier
My intention for my first trip wasnt to stay here longterm only for 1 month to practice with the best and get back motivation since I was lacking it for a long time but its getting better now. I didnt really expect to qualify to gsl but I did. I only saw code A as a bonus.
I will probably go back again when the foreign tournaments cools down alittle, right now its a very tight scheduele. I think december is the right time to go back for me and I will come back with the same mindset, just go here for practice because I now know I have to be in korea to be able to reach my full potential
This is awesome, I bet you'll do great with even more Korean practice. Sjow hwaiting!
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On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something.
It's almost as if the person did know what to expect but decided to back out after one season.
See what i did there?
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Best of luck Sjow.
On October 11 2011 05:20 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 04:41 Grimmyman123 wrote:
I'm not surprised. He won his ticket into Code A, and has spent some time learning in Korea.
Really though, would a pro gamer spend 2-6 months practising and trying to get through Code A... and what was the prize again for Code A? Something like $1300 bucks and a Code S seat? Yeah, that's really worth it. (sarcasm)
Yeah, a seat in the best and most prestigious tournament in the world, why would a progamer want that... That's like saying playing in the english Championship isn't worth it because you can "only" win a seat in the Premiership.
Going with your example... the choice would be either playing in the Premier League OR playing in the Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A - and that decision is very easily made.
That said, I consider neither the English premier league to be the best football league, nor the GSL to be the best SC2 tournament.
Blizzard Cup is where it's at! :D
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So what on earth was the point of him taking away a code a spot from someone n the first place?
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On October 11 2011 03:40 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something. Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo. Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession........... obnoxious. Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does. You dont need to learn a new language to be in a foreign country...
Have you ever lived in a house full of people who don't speak the same language as you? Ever sat around in a living room or at a dinner table night after night without any idea what is being said? Ever found that the thing you wanted most at any given time was to just be able to have a nice conversation with someone else who speaks your language fluently for no other reason than to not have to repeat the same extremely basic phrases over and over until you finally manage to communicate what you wanted to?
I get the feeling most of the people in this thread criticizing Sjow for lack of commitment or whatever have never picked up and moved to another country where the culture and language are completely different for an extended period of time. I have. It can be very difficult. You can end up feeling very lonely and/or frustrated.
I don't know what Sjow's reasons are but I think it's foolish to criticize people for wanting to be happy instead of becoming machines who care about nothing but winning.
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On October 11 2011 05:20 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 04:41 Grimmyman123 wrote:
I'm not surprised. He won his ticket into Code A, and has spent some time learning in Korea.
Really though, would a pro gamer spend 2-6 months practising and trying to get through Code A... and what was the prize again for Code A? Something like $1300 bucks and a Code S seat? Yeah, that's really worth it. (sarcasm)
Yeah, a seat in the best and most prestigious tournament in the world, why would a progamer want that... That's like saying playing in the english Championship isn't worth it because you can "only" win a seat in the Premiership. I really dont understand how people think the abstract notion of "prestige" somehow is worth more than the money and crowd-pleasing that comes with foreign events. In foreign events you get money and fan interaction, live crowds who are passionate. In GSL you play good players. I cant see how the GSL would be attractive at all, quite honestly. The only thing alluring about Korea is the practice IMO.
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guess he knows that goody is about to go there and there's only place for one foreign terran to shine. smart move.
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Does seem pretty damn luxurious for foreigners to be able to come for 1 month, qualify and be in the system and accounted for, then just leave.
I can understand it though, it just seems very shallow and unthankful when you read it like this.
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On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.
Depends entirely on what their goals are. If you simply didn't know what their goals were before they left, then really it's on you and not them if they don't fulfill your fantasies with their Korean adventure.
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