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On October 11 2011 03:49 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something. Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo. Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession........... obnoxious. Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does. Doesn't have to do with learning the language, has to do with the giant transition from western to eastern society. the shock of it all, of not being near his parents and friends and so on. Sleeping in a new bed in a new country, eating new food, so on. stupidity.
I'm so confused which side you are arguing for.
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Seems those guys didn't really think their decision through. It's like all they think when they decide to go to Korea is "It'll be great. I'll play some fun SC2 and become the greatest gamer of all time."
And then they realize, that it's really really hard work and that they feel lost in a foreign country/society. Everyday's life gets more difficult, you don't understand shit and you're not used to the food etc.
They should really consider these things before they just jump on the next plane to Seoul.
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On October 11 2011 04:23 zimms wrote:
Seems those guys didn't really think their decision through. It's like all they think when they decide to go to Korea is "It'll be great. I'll play some fun SC2 and become the greatest gamer of all time."
And then they realize, that it's really really hard work and that they feel lost in a foreign country/society. Everyday's life gets more difficult, you don't understand shit and you're not used to the food etc.
They should really consider these things before they just jump on the next plane to Seoul.
Maybe he didn't go on the plane to move to korea? Maybe he never planned on staying more than a month or two?
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Well, if there's a foreigner who can grind through code A prelims with good % of success it's Sjow.
So maybe it's not that big of a deal, not staying just because of a secure code A spot.
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On October 11 2011 04:16 koolaid1990 wrote:
these guys are getting free tickets into gsl
something most koreans dream of getting into
then they just throw it away...
I have to agree it is ridiculous that these foreign players get to come in for one season and leave with no punishments of some type. All korean sc2 players litteraly do dream of getting into the GSL. And when I see things like this happen I just have to think it's hurting e-sports in korea.
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This is a very very good interview, I feel so proud of Sjow realizing this yet many foreign pros may not be aware of currently:
How do you feel that your time in Korea influenced your game?
Have realized that I played way too greedy and take more shortcuts. This is of course important to use against some opponents to win tournaments. But it's important to play safe and stable in order to become a better player.
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bummer, he was the great foreigner hope...
I would have loved to see what kind of skill he could develop with a bit more time over there...
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Sigh :<
Can you edit in the interview given @ Team-Dignitas homepage. It clearly states he's returning to Sweden to participate in upcoming tournaments and then returning to korea.
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sjow isn't bad, he's just slow. which is a huge disadvantage in korea and it seems like he didn't want to change his style. toobad
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On October 11 2011 03:49 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:35 hipsterHobbit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:16 cz wrote:On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something. Transitional period should be over - he's been there awhile imo. Yes, learning a completely new language shouldn't take more than a few weeks, even while you're employed in a non-social profession........... obnoxious. Sjow is the man he will do fine in whatever he does. Doesn't have to do with learning the language, has to do with the giant transition from western to eastern society. the shock of it all, of not being near his parents and friends and so on. Sleeping in a new bed in a new country, eating new food, so on. stupidity.
Oh, I didn't know sjow had an agent who spoke for him, no wonder learning the language of his new residence was [apparently] of no consequence to him. 
How do you get off calling me stupid with posts like your own? lol unbelievable
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On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after.
Good for you.
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Ive said it all along....Korea is not worth going. You give up so much for so little. There are way too many tournaments online now or even tournaments closer in EU and the US. Only reason everyone gets all hyped up is that its GSL. GSL is not dumb. They are offering all these code A spots to all these tournaments to make their league be the one that all want to be a part of. By doing this they are caliming to be the best. Yes they are the best, but wont last forever plus there are so many tournies now that players DONT NEED to go to korea. Im actually suprised other tournaments havent said...No Ty GSL....we dont need your code A spot. We are the best here and we dont need to be playing seconf fiddle to you guys. The only one that is not kissing bootie to GSL is the NASL. Wether GSL didnt include them or NASL said yeah right we dont need you is up to debate. NASL is the only league that has grab thier CAJONES and said....no GSL....we are not second to you. In the long run the NASL will be the more efficient way to do high level tournaments. You only bring the best of the best to the finals like NASL. GSL knows this and they dont want to lose their hold on SC2. They know they need to make some way to legitimize themselves as the best by bringing foreigners. They know if they include others and bring them then they got them were they want them (league wise). Is it not obvious why so many foreigners leave? Many could tell you that, but i guess they need to see it for themselves. The best example of this is the BLIZZARD CUP. C'mon now. Do you really think the winners of those tournaments are really the best of the best? I mean they are very good but we could actually switch so many of those winners with some from korea GSL. It will be a very good league to see, but i go back to my point. GSL just wants to include all these foreign tournamnets winners to ligitimize themselves as the league of leagues. All these foreig tournaments need to man up and start making their tournaments be the most important to them. They dont need GSL to know that they are good.
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he had already mentioned before going to korea that he wasent going to stay for longer than a month.
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Sometimes i think foreigners are kinda lazy in regards with their training.Look at drewbie for instance,it was told that he was slacking really hard with his pratice.
Of course not all of the foreigners,for instance Grubby,HuK,Jinro,Naniwa, SeleCT and Kitty are praticing their hearts out !!!
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I'm not surprised. He won his ticket into Code A, and has spent some time learning in Korea.
Really though, would a pro gamer spend 2-6 months practising and trying to get through Code A... and what was the prize again for Code A? Something like $1300 bucks and a Code S seat? Yeah, that's really worth it. (sarcasm)
While GSL offers some really good spectating, and some views into some decent aggressive play, it is not a business model in which a pro player would likely want to enter and stay for an extended period of time. Two players really make any scratch worth the time, the rest are just hoping to get into the finals.
Any player is better off playing the rest of the world's tournaments. More tourneys = more prize money = better living.
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On October 11 2011 03:14 Zic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:On October 11 2011 03:11 Zic wrote:
I'm getting tired of foreigners coming to Korea for a single GSL season and then leaving right after. It's almost as if travelling to a foreign country where you don't speak the language and living there is a hard transition or something. But why even go in the first place if you're not going to stay for very long?
Why not? He said he got better and he got to experience Korea and he beat a korean, what's the problem?
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A little bit short stay, it would have been nice if he at least tried to get further, but I think how the competition is set up and how little money you win for placing first in code A is the biggest reason foreigners don't really want to compete there.
There are 100k competition like IGN, NASL, 25+k competitions Dreamhack winter and summer, TSL, ESCW, 15+k competitions like IEM, MLG, dreamhack invitationals, etc...
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I hope that he goes back to Korea, there is potential in him.
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