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On October 05 2011 05:51 Teliko wrote:
This is against the ToS for those wondering, as it's third-party software, and it is technically cheating, but it's impossible for Blizz to catch people using something like this as it doesn't actually inject anything into sc2. I also disagree that this would be useful for training purposes, because you'd become reliant on it. Instead of naturally becoming aware of when it's roughly the right time to inject, you're going to be depending on the notice the application makes. The best way to train is to just practice standard games, watch your replays and see how often you're missing your injects and work on it from there.
I'm pretty confident that a majority of people downloading this are using it for the fact they won't need to worry about when to inject because it'll be more or less automated, and not for training purposes.
Please look up the differences between 3rd party, and independant programs.
Also, thanks a lot OP!
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On October 05 2011 05:57 Astevio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 05:51 Teliko wrote:
This is against the ToS for those wondering, as it's third-party software, and it is technically cheating, but it's impossible for Blizz to catch people using something like this as it doesn't actually inject anything into sc2. I also disagree that this would be useful for training purposes, because you'd become reliant on it. Instead of naturally becoming aware of when it's roughly the right time to inject, you're going to be depending on the notice the application makes. The best way to train is to just practice standard games, watch your replays and see how often you're missing your injects and work on it from there.
I'm pretty confident that a majority of people downloading this are using it for the fact they won't need to worry about when to inject because it'll be more or less automated, and not for training purposes. Please look up the differences between 3rd party, and independant programs. Also, thanks a lot OP!
The software is used on top of the SC interface and the user refers to it while they're playing to effortlessly improve their play. If you were to ask a blue, do you really think they're going to say that it's perfectly fine to use because it doesn't directly interact with SC?
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Anyone actually have a quote from the TOS that says this is illegal?
Can't wait to try this out.
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How do you get this to work? I downloaded it and it's just a bunch of .class files :S
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On October 05 2011 06:43 Pros wrote:
How do you get this to work? I downloaded it and it's just a bunch of .class files :S
You should be able to just double-click it. It's a runnable jar, so there's not much too it...
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Cool job OP... It seems like a really helpful device. I'm sure the brighter people in the room will realize that once you've used it for about a week you will no longer need it, since you will have been trained to know the timing (like a song beat), hence the word "trainer," etc
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All I have are .class's and when I click on them it just brings up sc2 and no window is opened
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On October 05 2011 07:08 Pros wrote:
All I have are .class's and when I click on them it just brings up sc2 and no window is opened
This shouldn't interact with SC in any way. It shouldn't even know what SC is :S Try downloading it again. The file should be .jar, so I've no idea what you're using.
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On October 05 2011 07:20 Teliko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 07:08 Pros wrote:
All I have are .class's and when I click on them it just brings up sc2 and no window is opened This shouldn't interact with SC in any way. It shouldn't even know what SC is :S Try downloading it again. The file should be .jar, so I've no idea what you're using.
I downloaded the one on top :s
Here's a picture of what's in the folder for me (I redownloaded it)
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/87953729150732987410293.png/
Should I manually tell it to open in java?
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is inject really so difficult ? i have problems with terran macro, but never had a problem with injects. Maybe i am just build to play zerg, but i love terran T-T.
Anyway its pretty much a grey zone, doesn't read around in sc2 but still can be considered a 3rd party tool. So Blizzard can ban you for it if they wanted to. (they can but doesn't mean they can spot it or will even care for it). The newest user agreements mostly say we can ban you if you even play the game ... so (happens if no one reads them).
Generally sc2 is still pretty okay, i would guess 50% of the ladder don't use any macro tools or the likes. So unlike other games you can even think that your opponent played on a fair basis. But those numbers will increase over the time, depended on how strict blizzard will be at the end it will probably be 80% using supportive tools giving them advantages.
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On October 05 2011 07:34 Pros wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 07:20 Teliko wrote:On October 05 2011 07:08 Pros wrote:
All I have are .class's and when I click on them it just brings up sc2 and no window is opened This shouldn't interact with SC in any way. It shouldn't even know what SC is :S Try downloading it again. The file should be .jar, so I've no idea what you're using. I downloaded the one on top :s Here's a picture of what's in the folder for me (I redownloaded it) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/87953729150732987410293.png/Should I manually tell it to open in java?
There is no folder ._. the link leads directly to the executable .jar file. I've no idea what's going on there, bro, sorry.
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On October 05 2011 07:34 Pros wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 07:20 Teliko wrote:On October 05 2011 07:08 Pros wrote:
All I have are .class's and when I click on them it just brings up sc2 and no window is opened This shouldn't interact with SC in any way. It shouldn't even know what SC is :S Try downloading it again. The file should be .jar, so I've no idea what you're using. I downloaded the one on top :s Here's a picture of what's in the folder for me (I redownloaded it) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/87953729150732987410293.png/Should I manually tell it to open in java?
Yeah, it seems as if you have some other program set to open .jar files. I suggest right-clicking it and manually selecting java to open it.
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On October 04 2011 15:17 Xanbatou wrote:
Someone PMed me asking for the source, so I've uploaded it to mediafire and updated the OP with a link to it.
Did you see my post about the registry keys that SC Modifies, that would make this a whole lot more efficient/reliable?
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On October 05 2011 05:51 Teliko wrote:
This is against the ToS for those wondering, as it's third-party software, and it is technically cheating, but it's impossible for Blizz to catch people using something like this as it doesn't actually inject anything into sc2. I also disagree that this would be useful for training purposes, because you'd become reliant on it. Instead of naturally becoming aware of when it's roughly the right time to inject, you're going to be depending on the notice the application makes. The best way to train is to just practice standard games, watch your replays and see how often you're missing your injects and work on it from there.
I'm pretty confident that a majority of people downloading this are using it for the fact they won't need to worry about when to inject because it'll be more or less automated, and not for training purposes.
As many have stated before in this thread, it's been scientifically proven that this kind of training is the most effective to learning patterns. You can argue that it's unfair or not but you can't argue that it doesn't work. People won't get reliant on it unless they have absolutely no multitasking. The whole point of it is that you train with it on for the majority of your games and then start reducing the ammount of games with the program until you don't need to use it at all.
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Ive downloaded and it seems to work great aside from the sound function. Do i perhaps need to enable an option somewhere in order to hear the sound
EDIT
As a sidenote about the sound, it will play whatever your system's default sound is, so if you disabled that, it won't play anything.
Ah ty
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On October 05 2011 16:29 Okiesmokie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 15:17 Xanbatou wrote:
Someone PMed me asking for the source, so I've uploaded it to mediafire and updated the OP with a link to it. Did you see my post about the registry keys that SC Modifies, that would make this a whole lot more efficient/reliable?
I did see that post. However, I don't think it fits with the goal of my program. My program isn't meant to make you hit every inject. It's meant to teach you the timings of inject larva. If I used your method, then the alert would not occur every 29 seconds, so it wouldn't hammer in to inject every 29 seconds.
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For the people who are discussing if this is acceptable, you also could look at it this way. There are youtube video's which you can play in the background that tell you exact timings and what to do when, etc. This program that OP made is very similar. You could put a soundfile on a loop of 29 seconds, so you'ld know when to inject. Blizzard can't find out that you're using the program because it doesn't interact with the SC2 client. Blizzard can't ban people from using software besides SC2 when they're playing SC2, so the whole discussion is irrelevant.
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On October 05 2011 08:03 FeyFey wrote:
is inject really so difficult ? i have problems with terran macro, but never had a problem with injects. Maybe i am just build to play zerg, but i love terran T-T.
Anyway its pretty much a grey zone, doesn't read around in sc2 but still can be considered a 3rd party tool. So Blizzard can ban you for it if they wanted to. (they can but doesn't mean they can spot it or will even care for it). The newest user agreements mostly say we can ban you if you even play the game ... so (happens if no one reads them).
Generally sc2 is still pretty okay, i would guess 50% of the ladder don't use any macro tools or the likes. So unlike other games you can even think that your opponent played on a fair basis. But those numbers will increase over the time, depended on how strict blizzard will be at the end it will probably be 80% using supportive tools giving them advantages.
You know, I don't play zerg and a lot of zergs here told me inject is easy once you're at masters level or something. So I thought it was. Then I happened to pay attention to injects in pro replays, and I learned that it is NOT AT ALL easy. Sure it's easy if the game goes in a NR10 fashion. But once anything occurs, their injects gets messed up and become quite atrocious. Just download any replay of well-known zerg players. You will see. (e.g. Idra v Puma @IEM)
Among those who I've seen from replays, DRG injects the best. He is almost magical in that he rarely misses injects for the first 15 mins or so. That's with all the defense and muta harrass, etc. Even his injects become irregular past 15 mins, but still are the best I've seen.
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On October 06 2011 00:24 Xanbatou wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 16:29 Okiesmokie wrote:On October 04 2011 15:17 Xanbatou wrote:
Someone PMed me asking for the source, so I've uploaded it to mediafire and updated the OP with a link to it. Did you see my post about the registry keys that SC Modifies, that would make this a whole lot more efficient/reliable? I did see that post. However, I don't think it fits with the goal of my program. My program isn't meant to make you hit every inject. It's meant to teach you the timings of inject larva. If I used your method, then the alert would not occur every 29 seconds, so it wouldn't hammer in to inject every 29 seconds.
Yes it would.. it would just occur without the person having to click the little box to reset the timer every time.
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You know, it's funny, when there was a thread posted about using a metronome to practice stutter step micro, no one had any issues with it. There were no screams of cheats, or hacks, or "this is illegal". Someone explain to me how this is any different? Because it's software and not a physical object?
For all of you people saying "This is pointless, you will become reliant on it!!", you have zero idea how method training works. How do you think people learn to play music? Repetition and a metronome. Playing the same cords and keys over and over until they are muscle memory, requiring almost no thought.
OP: Ignore the haters. This community is full of elitist jerks who aren't even that good, they just like to act like it because they post on TL. If this helps you get the rhythm of injects down, go for it.
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