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id sell my left nut for this to be on ESPN2...
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I would get ESPN 2 to watch Starcraft 2. Now that's something.
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On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth?
Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package?
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OFC we would watch everyone would if they had cable. Issue comes to when ESPN has time to cast SC2 and their commercial breaks. But 3AM SC2 could come on and they could "catch up" with commercials meaning if a match lasted during a period which needed 3 commercial breaks they could hold 3 continuous commercial breaks at the same time.
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On October 01 2011 12:40 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth? Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package?
so you would hurt e-sports just because you can't enjoy it from your couch
sound logic
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On October 01 2011 10:48 funcmode wrote:I didn't read all 20 pages so apologies if this was brought up, but do people not remember this awesome piece by Kennigit?
I still think it was a terrible article. What successful, mainstream sport benefited from not having TV coverage? None. Poker -- the sport closest to SC2 (still a stretch) -- probably became huger with poker on ESPN / pokerstars and all that kind of stuff.
That's just like.. ugh. Really really bad article, imo.
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On October 01 2011 12:41 VPCursed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:40 IPA wrote:On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth? Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package? so you would hurt e-sports just because you can't enjoy it from your couch sound logic
The question is "would you tune in?" Some people just don't like lying as a principle
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On October 01 2011 12:41 VPCursed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:40 IPA wrote:On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth? Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package? so you would hurt e-sports just because you can't enjoy it from your couch sound logic
That is terrible logic. The point of the poll is to essentially let Sundance know how much support he would get. Why you would want to mislead him into making an incorrect assessment (and then possibly an incorrect investment) is beyond me.
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I love this idea. But, not 100%. It's awesome up front, but the only scary thing for me (as some SC2 shows have said before) is the history of this kind of action. Big companies that come in who have not had past experience with SC2 and want to capitalize on it because they see it as up and coming and want to take advantage; they put THEIR twist and production team up on it. But the sad thing is, it's always a large possibly that their production is horribly unknown to this different type of production and could possibly delegitimize this sport as a whole.
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On October 01 2011 12:40 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth? Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package?
I don't watch TV either, but this is good for the scene as a whole. How selfish can you be? Because YOU don't watch TV you don't want to see our game be made accessible to the masses (TV)? To make it easier for bars? All because you don't want to watch it? And since when was ESPN2 a premium sat package? I mean I guess it probably is in some, but I'm sure they don't plan to introduce a new sport as a pay-to-watch when it's already free-to-watch online. I mean.. wtf.
edit -- whoops the poll is about whether or not you would watch, if you honestly are unable to watch and voted no, then my bad. accurate poll results are good.
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Yes, but at the same time a huge resounding no.
My reasons are I think there's SO much SC2 content, and as a result it's spreading the overall viewership figures thin and too much content is a bit overwhelming. There's just so much content about that it, in a sense, trivializes all the other content.
Another reason is that I can watch SC2 on demand anytime I want through the internet. I haven't watched TV properly for over a year now, and that's because the internet has made it redundant. I don't know whether it's worth the risk of a TV port when it's already working fine on the internet because you can watch it at your own discretion and on demand.
I do however think it's a really cool idea, and I do hope it works out. But at the same time I think, personally, it's one of them 'if it ain't broken don't fix it' type of things.
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On October 01 2011 12:43 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:41 VPCursed wrote:On October 01 2011 12:40 IPA wrote:On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth? Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package? so you would hurt e-sports just because you can't enjoy it from your couch sound logic That is terrible logic. The point of the poll is to essentially let Sundance know how much support he would get. Why you would want to mislead him into making an incorrect assessment (and then possibly an incorrect investment) is beyond me.
How could i overlook such a flaw in my logic. Thank you sir.
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On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:24 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:20 Yergidy wrote:
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In between games, when someone pauses for technical difficulties. Most games only last 20-30 mins which is just fine for commercials. Starcraft would have to have a baseball style commercial system because of course you can't pause in the middle of the game, it would mess up the players too much. I don't know. I guess it's just be cause all the stations that are big have their schedules based around the advertisers ie you have to have a cliff hanger/dramatic moment at this time that fits into a commercial break sched. I could foresee a system where instead of a commercial break every 8 minutes they could skip it and have 2 breaks every other 16. but you're only accounting for the typical. What do you do in the case where you have a 55 minute tvt? could you imagine watching the whole game up to minute 53 and then suddenly the next scheduled program for the netword you're on comes on? And you missed the most insane viking cloud / dual prong nuke / mass yamato all over MVP's face. No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team.
Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots.
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On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:
The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal
I think this is debatable. There's something to be said for not having logos plastered all over uniforms. Although with SC2 this is alread the status quo, but we really don't see the players that much.
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On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:24 Alejandrisha wrote:
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I don't know. I guess it's just be cause all the stations that are big have their schedules based around the advertisers ie you have to have a cliff hanger/dramatic moment at this time that fits into a commercial break sched. I could foresee a system where instead of a commercial break every 8 minutes they could skip it and have 2 breaks every other 16.
but you're only accounting for the typical. What do you do in the case where you have a 55 minute tvt? could you imagine watching the whole game up to minute 53 and then suddenly the next scheduled program for the netword you're on comes on? And you missed the most insane viking cloud / dual prong nuke / mass yamato all over MVP's face. No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots.
the point is you can't have an hour long shot on crowds on tv. the issue is not breaks between games. obviously you could have a commercial between games. we're talking about DURING the game
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On October 01 2011 12:48 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. the point is you can't have an hour long shot on crowds on tv. the issue is not breaks between games. obviously you could have a commercial between games. we're talking about DURING the game
Leagues already have changing logos ON SCREEN.
You guys make big deals out of your ass.
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On October 01 2011 12:44 sephius wrote:
Yes, but at the same time a huge resounding no.
My reasons are I think there's SO much SC2 content, and as a result it's spreading the overall viewership figures thin and too much content is a bit overwhelming. There's just so much content about that it, in a sense, trivializes all the other content.
Another reason is that I can watch SC2 on demand anytime I want through the internet. I haven't watched TV properly for over a year now, and that's because the internet has made it redundant. I don't know whether it's worth the risk of a TV port when it's already working fine on the internet because you can watch it at your own discretion and on demand.
I do however think it's a really cool idea, and I do hope it works out. But at the same time I think, personally, it's one of them 'if it ain't broken don't fix it' type of things.
Lots of people already tune into at a set time to watch a live tournament. Only difference is the medium in which it's delivered. It would not be difficult to put up VODs whether the live stream came from Twitch.tv or a TV broadcast.
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Of course I would watch this!! I just hope that they don't lose too much in the transition.
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On October 01 2011 12:48 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. the point is you can't have an hour long shot on crowds on tv. the issue is not breaks between games. obviously you could have a commercial between games. we're talking about DURING the game
And I said there is no issue because they would never do that.
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