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On October 01 2011 12:40 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:37 Vei wrote:
Fuck EVERYONE who voted no. Why on earth? Because I don't watch TV? Because even if I did, I wouldn't want to buy a premium satellite package?
Premium package? Are you serious? ESPN is pretty standard by now. It's not like HBO or Showtime.
Also, they could go with what they do for soccer in regards to commericals where it's uninterrupted until halftime.
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Honestly no, I prefer streaming. Yes the hype factor of OMG ESPORTS ON TV is there but within a week or 2 you will all wanna watch the streams instead.
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On October 01 2011 13:26 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 13:18 Kiyo. wrote:On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:
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Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD
as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol. Lol, yes they do. Especially in Basketball, but sometimes in football too. If you ever go to an actual game you'll hear the PA announcer announce it as a "Media Timeout". They do it at the end of a play or when the ball goes out of bounds, a foul happens, etc. All this really treads on conspiracy than fact. Maybe you're experiences are different. Yeah, fouls happen, huddles happen, dead time happens. If everytime someone's keyboard fails or their sound goes out, and MLG cuts to commercial that's totally planned to right? I'm sure Leenock was paid to pause and say his keyboard's conveniently not working anymore lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_timeout
Time-outs are usually called by coaches or players, although for some sports, TV timeouts are called to allow media to air commercial breaks.
Do you really want to keep pursuing this? You're so unbelievably misguided about it and how broadcasting works. Does this not sound scheduled to you?
+ Show Spoiler +College basketball: at the first dead ball after 4 minute intervals (beyond the 16:00, 12:00, 8:00 and 4:00 minute mark of each half). Additionally, the first 30-second team timeout in the second half is expanded to a television timeout. Previously in College Basketball a timeout could not take place before free throws were shot but they had to be shot first. If second one was missed then play would continue. However, if free throws are to be shot, the timeout is taken first. Akin to not being allowed to ice the shooter on a media timeout. Something teams do frequently during a close game when shooter is on the line.
NHL: during stoppages of play, at the discretion of the TV timeout coordinator and typically after passing the following marks of each period (Less than 14:00, Less than 10:00 and Less than 6:00 minutes) in each period. One of the linesmen wears a pager that alerts him when a TV timeout should be taken.
NBA: at the first dead ball after 6:00 and 3:00 in each quarter. First TV timeout is charged to the home team and second TV timeout is charged to the away team, assuming no other timeouts have been called (those would then replace the mandatory TV timeouts). In addition, a timeout at 9:00 in the second and fourth quarter charged to neither team.
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The poll wasn't asking if you'd watch Starcraft on ESPN. It was just asking Starcraft on ESPN?
And the answer for everyone should be yes. It would bring so much to the esports scene.
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On October 01 2011 13:33 Kiyo. wrote:
The poll wasn't asking if you'd watch Starcraft on ESPN. It was just asking Starcraft on ESPN?
And the answer for everyone should be yes. It would bring so much to the esports scene.
Then the poll should be fixed. Sundance asked - "Twitter and Reddit nation. StarCraft on ESPN2... Would you tune in? I am sitting with a TV exec who wants to know. You've got an hour."
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i would buy espn from my cable provider to watch starcraft on TV.
would they have to obs at like 480p though?
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Guys. If in fact they DID have SC2 on ESPN 2, then it would also be streamed through ESPN3.com
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On October 01 2011 13:38 jimmyjingle wrote:
i would buy espn from my cable provider to watch starcraft on TV.
would they have to obs at like 480p though?
They would broadcast it in the highest definition possible. 1080.
Why? Cuz it is cable sup.
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It could be really good for new people not already invested in SC2 or who cant get to a computer. Online watching is preferrable to anyone who is interested in the scene and can do it, but it might be better for things like Barcrafts or the casual viewer who just flippin through the channels.
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The only way i'd say yes is if there is a webstream. I'm too cool for TV. 
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Yes. Great thing for Starcraft. Could only help it grow. People that don't realize this are ignorant.
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So, has Sundance tweeted anything relevant ever since the initial talks?
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it is pretty funny all the people who are getting self righteous about this, lol
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I don't normally watch TV, but I would go out of my way to watch it on TV. It would also help me introduce my friends (who are big ESPN fans) to SC2.
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On October 01 2011 13:45 Sandro wrote:
So, has Sundance tweeted anything relevant ever since the initial talks?
MLGSundance Sundance DiGiovanni
Thank you Reddit and Twitter for answering the call. Front-page of reddit and well over a thousand replies and retweets. Made an impression.
Was the most relevant tweet after.
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On October 01 2011 13:32 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 13:26 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 13:18 Kiyo. wrote:On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:
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Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol. Lol, yes they do. Especially in Basketball, but sometimes in football too. If you ever go to an actual game you'll hear the PA announcer announce it as a "Media Timeout". They do it at the end of a play or when the ball goes out of bounds, a foul happens, etc. All this really treads on conspiracy than fact. Maybe you're experiences are different. Yeah, fouls happen, huddles happen, dead time happens. If everytime someone's keyboard fails or their sound goes out, and MLG cuts to commercial that's totally planned to right? I'm sure Leenock was paid to pause and say his keyboard's conveniently not working anymore lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_timeout Show nested quote +Time-outs are usually called by coaches or players, although for some sports, TV timeouts are called to allow media to air commercial breaks. Do you really want to keep pursuing this? You're so unbelievably misguided about it and how broadcasting works. Does this not sound scheduled to you? + Show Spoiler +College basketball: at the first dead ball after 4 minute intervals (beyond the 16:00, 12:00, 8:00 and 4:00 minute mark of each half). Additionally, the first 30-second team timeout in the second half is expanded to a television timeout. Previously in College Basketball a timeout could not take place before free throws were shot but they had to be shot first. If second one was missed then play would continue. However, if free throws are to be shot, the timeout is taken first. Akin to not being allowed to ice the shooter on a media timeout. Something teams do frequently during a close game when shooter is on the line.
NHL: during stoppages of play, at the discretion of the TV timeout coordinator and typically after passing the following marks of each period (Less than 14:00, Less than 10:00 and Less than 6:00 minutes) in each period. One of the linesmen wears a pager that alerts him when a TV timeout should be taken.
NBA: at the first dead ball after 6:00 and 3:00 in each quarter. First TV timeout is charged to the home team and second TV timeout is charged to the away team, assuming no other timeouts have been called (those would then replace the mandatory TV timeouts). In addition, a timeout at 9:00 in the second and fourth quarter charged to neither team.
OK cool, but doesn't change that they aren't cutting to commercial in the middle of the action. So they extend dead time that happens anyways. Cool. Play a few more commercials before Leenock can unpause, but considering the amount of time players are fiddling with their peripherals it wouldn't even be needed. Besides, even if they do cut in action, they almost always cut back if something happens or they can just pause if the game continues over 20 minutes. Players can pause for all sorts of stupid or valid reasons, phone, bathroom, lag, w/e. So why not an ad. This is not a problem that is insurmountable.
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I think TV and starcraft are just to diffrent of worlds. as much as id like to see SC go mainstream on TV i dont think it would work. i mean honestly half the people who responded don't pay for a TV or cable. but im sure they have nice computers and good internet. haha. I voted No because I dont honestly watch TV, and SC isnt even enough to get me to turn it on or pay for cable channels. id rather buy a GSL ticket for 10$ a month. those are my thoughts.
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On October 01 2011 13:55 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 13:32 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 13:26 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 13:18 Kiyo. wrote:On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
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those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game?
IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol. Lol, yes they do. Especially in Basketball, but sometimes in football too. If you ever go to an actual game you'll hear the PA announcer announce it as a "Media Timeout". They do it at the end of a play or when the ball goes out of bounds, a foul happens, etc. All this really treads on conspiracy than fact. Maybe you're experiences are different. Yeah, fouls happen, huddles happen, dead time happens. If everytime someone's keyboard fails or their sound goes out, and MLG cuts to commercial that's totally planned to right? I'm sure Leenock was paid to pause and say his keyboard's conveniently not working anymore lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_timeout Time-outs are usually called by coaches or players, although for some sports, TV timeouts are called to allow media to air commercial breaks. Do you really want to keep pursuing this? You're so unbelievably misguided about it and how broadcasting works. Does this not sound scheduled to you? + Show Spoiler +College basketball: at the first dead ball after 4 minute intervals (beyond the 16:00, 12:00, 8:00 and 4:00 minute mark of each half). Additionally, the first 30-second team timeout in the second half is expanded to a television timeout. Previously in College Basketball a timeout could not take place before free throws were shot but they had to be shot first. If second one was missed then play would continue. However, if free throws are to be shot, the timeout is taken first. Akin to not being allowed to ice the shooter on a media timeout. Something teams do frequently during a close game when shooter is on the line.
NHL: during stoppages of play, at the discretion of the TV timeout coordinator and typically after passing the following marks of each period (Less than 14:00, Less than 10:00 and Less than 6:00 minutes) in each period. One of the linesmen wears a pager that alerts him when a TV timeout should be taken.
NBA: at the first dead ball after 6:00 and 3:00 in each quarter. First TV timeout is charged to the home team and second TV timeout is charged to the away team, assuming no other timeouts have been called (those would then replace the mandatory TV timeouts). In addition, a timeout at 9:00 in the second and fourth quarter charged to neither team.
OK cool, but doesn't change that they aren't cutting to commercial in the middle of the action. So they extend dead time that happens anyways. Cool. Play a few more commercials before Leenock can unpause, but considering the amount of time players are fiddling with their peripherals it wouldn't even be needed. Besides, even if they do cut in action, they almost always cut back if something happens or they can just pause if the game continues over 20 minutes. Players can pause for all sorts of stupid or valid reasons, phone, bathroom, lag, w/e. So why not an ad. This is not a problem that is insurmountable. Like I said before, it's not a problem at all because you're not getting live SC2. Watch, it'll be pre-recorded and cut together with great editing, possibly even past MLG footage. All of their niche sport coverage works that way. And I'm not complaining about it, I'll still look forward to it and watch it. I'm just saying you're out of your mind if you think you're getting live coverage of a full MLG Sunday.
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On October 01 2011 13:55 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 13:32 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 13:26 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 13:18 Kiyo. wrote:On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:
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those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game?
IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol. Lol, yes they do. Especially in Basketball, but sometimes in football too. If you ever go to an actual game you'll hear the PA announcer announce it as a "Media Timeout". They do it at the end of a play or when the ball goes out of bounds, a foul happens, etc. All this really treads on conspiracy than fact. Maybe you're experiences are different. Yeah, fouls happen, huddles happen, dead time happens. If everytime someone's keyboard fails or their sound goes out, and MLG cuts to commercial that's totally planned to right? I'm sure Leenock was paid to pause and say his keyboard's conveniently not working anymore lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_timeout Time-outs are usually called by coaches or players, although for some sports, TV timeouts are called to allow media to air commercial breaks. Do you really want to keep pursuing this? You're so unbelievably misguided about it and how broadcasting works. Does this not sound scheduled to you? + Show Spoiler +College basketball: at the first dead ball after 4 minute intervals (beyond the 16:00, 12:00, 8:00 and 4:00 minute mark of each half). Additionally, the first 30-second team timeout in the second half is expanded to a television timeout. Previously in College Basketball a timeout could not take place before free throws were shot but they had to be shot first. If second one was missed then play would continue. However, if free throws are to be shot, the timeout is taken first. Akin to not being allowed to ice the shooter on a media timeout. Something teams do frequently during a close game when shooter is on the line.
NHL: during stoppages of play, at the discretion of the TV timeout coordinator and typically after passing the following marks of each period (Less than 14:00, Less than 10:00 and Less than 6:00 minutes) in each period. One of the linesmen wears a pager that alerts him when a TV timeout should be taken.
NBA: at the first dead ball after 6:00 and 3:00 in each quarter. First TV timeout is charged to the home team and second TV timeout is charged to the away team, assuming no other timeouts have been called (those would then replace the mandatory TV timeouts). In addition, a timeout at 9:00 in the second and fourth quarter charged to neither team.
OK cool, but doesn't change that they aren't cutting to commercial in the middle of the action. So they extend dead time that happens anyways. Cool. Play a few more commercials before Leenock can unpause, but considering the amount of time players are fiddling with their peripherals it wouldn't even be needed. Besides, even if they do cut in action, they almost always cut back if something happens or they can just pause if the game continues over 20 minutes. Players can pause for all sorts of stupid or valid reasons, phone, bathroom, lag, w/e. So why not an ad. This is not a problem that is insurmountable.
The thing about pausing for a commercial is where do you do it? I mean you typically don't want any pauses unless it's really required, i.e. my keyboard won't work etc. You can't really set a specific time to do it because you could abuse that. Just seems odd to have that.
Just for another example of a sport that doesn't pause for commercials, nascar. They cut to commercials during the live race and you do miss action, they cut back for wrecks. Obviously comparing normal sports to sc2 is a bit difficult on the television side. But like i said earlier people in that business will be able to come up with a format for it. That's why they do it for a living.
Hopefully it would just get good enough ratings to continue to be broadcast :o
And ya I think pre-recorded is the best thing to do. Although i prefer live sc2, i would still watch pre-recorded stuff with no problem.
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starcraft on espn would be awesome! i would totally watch it.
unfortunately i think sundance means only sc2 :[
but i would still watch for the sake of ESPORTS
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