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On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:24 Alejandrisha wrote:
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I don't know. I guess it's just be cause all the stations that are big have their schedules based around the advertisers ie you have to have a cliff hanger/dramatic moment at this time that fits into a commercial break sched. I could foresee a system where instead of a commercial break every 8 minutes they could skip it and have 2 breaks every other 16.
but you're only accounting for the typical. What do you do in the case where you have a 55 minute tvt? could you imagine watching the whole game up to minute 53 and then suddenly the next scheduled program for the netword you're on comes on? And you missed the most insane viking cloud / dual prong nuke / mass yamato all over MVP's face. No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live.
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On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live.
Here in brazil(and I think in most countries) the commentators usually call out the sponsors, then their logomark appears on some corner of the tv and a voice say their slogans. All of that while the game is going on. I don't know if that's doable for SC2, because the games take different amounts of time(soccer takes like 45-50 minutes til' half time), but I think it's something to consider.
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On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live.
Would they ever stop in the middle of a game for an ad? I can't think it's too unrealistic, honestly. After an evenly-traded battle, or macro periods, etc.
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On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live.
It works for soccer, they show small logos in the corner every so often and then take a bunch of commercials at the half. They could show small logos in dead areas on the screen and take a ton of commercials between games.
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On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live.
Starcraft is Not Basketball, Soccer, Football or what ever else you will mention.
If SC2 will be on ESPN, time for commercials will be found.
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On October 01 2011 13:04 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:
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Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha
They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. Would they ever stop in the middle of a game for an ad? I can't think it's too unrealistic, honestly. After an evenly-traded battle, or macro periods, etc.
I would really hate to miss a critical mineral line harass during a break. Which most players do after they lose a major engagement.
I really do like the idea of having ad like things while they are still playing the game and just have logos poping up. But they will probably just do it pre recorded..
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fuck yes i would watch every second of sc2 if it was on any channel!
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They could possibly run commercials during the game and use the theme you see in some sports. On occasion for Nascar races they will show the race in a box in the upper corner while commericals appear in the lower corner with their volume on. You can't see the race very well but enough. Obviously that's only done a few times a year out of 36 races per season.
It would seem like they would need to run it pre-recorded just so they could easily plan ahead when breaks would be etc. This comes up quite often. I'm sure theres a format out there that would cover it, but i think we're still quite far off from having sc2 on US/international television. I'd love it, and watch it. God knows ESPN has the stations to run it.
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I have been gaming for 15 years and I have been waiting for someone to ask me this question for 15 years.... YES PLEASE 
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Yes but honestly it would piss off so many older people who watch ESPN for sports that it would give us a bad reputation. I don't know... :o
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On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:29 Yergidy wrote:
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No just like in baseball they would wait until the inning(game) is over and have commercials after that. Sports have much more leeway with commercials than normal programming, they won't take breaks that will make you miss action. Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live.
They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial.
And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol.
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On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:
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Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha
They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol.
Lol, yes they do. Especially in Basketball, but sometimes in football too. If you ever go to an actual game you'll hear the PA announcer announce it as a "Media Timeout". They do it at the end of a play or when the ball goes out of bounds, a foul happens, etc.
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I don't think a lot of people are getting what this is. ESPN2 has been known to show many niche sports before. A few years ago, I remember waking up around 3:00 AM, switching through the channels and landing on a Magic the Gathering tournament on ESPN2. I fully expect, if this happens, for MLG's semifinals/finals to be edited down to a two or three hour showing where ESPN2 can put on at night with the other niche sports and reruns of the day's Sportscenter.
It's crazy to believe that MLG, which is from Friday to Sunday, would get any live time on ESPN2. Those days are dedicated solely to football, football, and more football. When it's not football seasons, those hours are preoccupied with basketball, college basketball, and even more basketball. When it's not basketball, it's baseball 24/7.
Even if it is on late at night and edited, I think it's a great move if it can happen. Even if totally bombs and only one hundred new people watch the game for the first time, it's still a success by getting one hundred new people to be interested about Starcraft and e-sports in general.
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On October 01 2011 13:19 Fionn wrote:
I don't think a lot of people are getting what this is. ESPN2 has been known to show many niche sports before. A few years ago, I remember waking up around 3:00 AM, switching through the channels and landing on a Magic the Gathering tournament on ESPN2. I fully expect, if this happens, for MLG's semifinals/finals to be edited down to a two or three hour showing where ESPN2 can put on at night with the other niche sports and reruns of the day's Sportscenter.
It's crazy to believe that MLG, which is from Friday to Sunday, would get any live time on ESPN2. Those days are dedicated solely to football, football, and more football. When it's not football seasons, those hours are preoccupied with basketball, college basketball, and even more basketball. When it's not basketball, it's baseball 24/7.
Even if it is on late at night and edited, I think it's a great move if it can happen. Even if totally bombs and only one hundred new people watch the game for the first time, it's still a success by getting one hundred new people to be interested about Starcraft and e-sports in general.
Ya. It's like when they show paint ball and stuff like that. I've seen a bunch of those things. You see bowling quite often on saturday/sunday afternoon, which seems odd because it doesn't seem like a good sport to show but I'm sure theres a crowd for it.
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On October 01 2011 13:19 Fionn wrote:
I don't think a lot of people are getting what this is. ESPN2 has been known to show many niche sports before. A few years ago, I remember waking up around 3:00 AM, switching through the channels and landing on a Magic the Gathering tournament on ESPN2. I fully expect, if this happens, for MLG's semifinals/finals to be edited down to a two or three hour showing where ESPN2 can put on at night with the other niche sports and reruns of the day's Sportscenter.
It's crazy to believe that MLG, which is from Friday to Sunday, would get any live time on ESPN2. Those days are dedicated solely to football, football, and more football. When it's not football seasons, those hours are preoccupied with basketball, college basketball, and even more basketball. When it's not basketball, it's baseball 24/7.
Even if it is on late at night and edited, I think it's a great move if it can happen. Even if totally bombs and only one hundred new people watch the game for the first time, it's still a success by getting one hundred new people to be interested about Starcraft and e-sports in general.
While I think an edited version at a nonlive timeslot is more likely, ESPN 2 doesn't really show much on Sundays during the Finals timeslot. I could see a live broadcast of the last few rounds being viable.
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On October 01 2011 13:18 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:
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They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol. Lol, yes they do. Especially in Basketball, but sometimes in football too. If you ever go to an actual game you'll hear the PA announcer announce it as a "Media Timeout". They do it at the end of a play or when the ball goes out of bounds, a foul happens, etc.
All this really treads on conspiracy than fact. Maybe you're experiences are different. Yeah, fouls happen, huddles happen, dead time happens. If everytime someone's keyboard fails or their sound goes out, and MLG cuts to commercial that's totally planned to right? I'm sure Leenock was paid to pause and say his keyboard's conveniently not working anymore lol.
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On October 01 2011 13:16 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 12:55 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:45 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 12:19 Jibba wrote:On October 01 2011 12:17 Ownos wrote:On October 01 2011 11:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:47 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:41 Alejandrisha wrote:On October 01 2011 11:37 Yergidy wrote:On October 01 2011 11:32 Alejandrisha wrote:
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Wow I just had a case of crazy esports bias lol. I was just sitting here, like yeah, they actually never go to break in a 60-pitch-inning-middle-reliever-meltdown situation. But would a network allow for an ~hour (sc2 mins) without having a break and then showing like 5-6 straight at the end? would be a pretty crazy contract to see laid out haha
They have different ways around it besides just after games. In a 55 minute game there is going to be some down time to macro up, like when tastosis talks about peanut butter and furry creatures, it is easy to get a 30 second commercial in there and have a recap if any tech switches happen, they can also come back from commercial early if some big action happens. Keep in mind this will only need to happen on the rare super long games any game less than 30 minutes long would be fine to wait till after the game. Yeah but hour long games don't just become hour long games at the end of an hour. They are 15 min games that can end at the 17 min mark if player x does y, 17 min games that can end at the 19 min mark that could end if player z does a etc etc etc. It'd become an art to understand when you could go to commercial xD as in no player has any timings and even a complete moron would not try to force potentially game-ending taktikz Ya I thought of that after posting it -_- lol. I'm still pretty confident they could work it out if enough people watch it. those little things become extremely important though. they only make money from the ads and potential future money if people enjoy the production. so what entices a guy to watch a 55 min tvt and (knowing he's going to have to sit thru 15 mins of commercials thereafter) watch through commercials waiting for the next game? IDK maybe they already know enough about sc2 to figure out when this guy will just randomly run all his shit into a PF or if genius is actually going to be able to end the game with his gw/void ray builds and they're not telling us! xD Jeez guys. Ever watch REAL sports? You wouldn't need to speculate over this shit. They only break to commercial during dead time and between stuff. They will never break in the middle of shit. NFL, NBA, NCAA, etc. all take TV timeouts. So yeah... you're wrong. The soccer/European method of advertising is really ideal but again, MLG is a day long event. Do you guys really think they're going to get a block like that? It'll be pre-recorded, pre-edited stuff handled by ESPN's production team. Timeouts would imply dead time? How about when Artosis and Tasteless are goofing off for 45 minutes before game 2 starts. This isn't hard too imagine where they can put commercials. MLG has 1 hour long crowd shots. No, they take timeouts at scheduled intervals and it can interrupt the flow of the game. Basketball and Football have mini-interruptions built into them, which SC2 doesn't, so that's the queue to take a television timeout, but those still interrupt the game. They're not going to show a 45 minute block of ads to make up for it. They'll do something like 8-2-8-2-8-2 to get in their advertisements, like almost all shows do. Even when ESPN2 is showing paintball and MTG and that other stuff, I don't think they're covering it live. They never take "scheduled" timeouts to force commercials. That's the silliest thing ever. In basketball, they rarely use timeouts early in the game or at regular intervals. Most of the time, at the end of a close game they abuse the shit out of timeouts to advance the ball and even then they sometimes don't even bother to cut to commercial. And it does not interrupt the flow of the game. It's a time out. -_- Never seen someone call timeout in the middle of a play lol.
I don't know what to tell you, but I don't think you follow sports very closely or you don't attend live games. They absolutely take television timeouts. Like I said, the European system for advertising during sporting events is better imo, but that's just not the way it's done in the US except for soccer.
You can keep talking about the ideal situation and what SC2 deserves, I'm just telling you how television and advertising breaks actually work in the US, even during sports. That's what they'll most likely be working with. And again, when ESPN2 shows niche stuff like log rolling, paintball, MTG, etc. they're never live. It sounds like people expect MLG Sunday to be cast in full, live and I just don't see how that'll happen. It's unrealistic.
Fionn's post is exactly right.
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I've been thinking a bit about this, and I think there is a middle ground here that can be struck with some serious compromise.
Basically, I was thinking that if this partnership were to seriously occur, MLG could schedule the matches such that the most popular and biggest name players play within a certain "primetime" time slot. Where generally, the big games of the day for the most part are played in this 2-3 hour window. This is coincidentally the same window that ESPN would then air on their channel.
At the beginning and end of the broadcast, and even during it, ESPN could provide instructions on how to watch more of this content, possibly being restreamed through their site. If it gets really popular they could always expand the window, but I think this is a good middle ground to test the waters.
ESPN could also leverage their channels to advertise MLG and SC2 in the weeks leading up to the event. That would get a lot of viewer attention that may not otherwise know about MLG.
The only true way to televise an ESPORT as big and volatile (time wise) as SC2 is to have a dedicated channel like MBC or OGN, where they could cater commercials to the current environment. But that isn't realistic unless there is a new eESPN or something, but that still a long ways off.
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MLG and ESPN have partnered before so its not that crazy
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