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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
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qwazar
Australia45 Posts
Give it a few years, let EG establish itself further in the SC2 world then make the documentary. Alternatively making a documentary about the history of EG as whole to what it is now and western esports in general, that would be far more interesting. | ||
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Brya
United States58 Posts
On September 26 2011 23:46 altfornorge wrote: I got 2 questions: A feature length documentary, is that one that lasts like 90 minutes? After all the premiers and official release, is it going to be free to watch? Yup, we don't know what our runtime is going to be until we're done editing, obviously, but 90 minutes is a good general goal. The very final end game is still being figured out. The whole film world is actually in a lot of flux right now because the idea of having things free to watch online is very, very new in the grand scheme and we're still all figuring it out. But I've been talking with a few people that have done that about how successful/unsuccessful it was. Ideally it would be readily available online at some point, either for free or for a low and reasonable price point. Or maybe through some sort of subscription type service that most people are already a member of. On September 27 2011 00:17 shrinkmaster wrote: This makes me a little bit suspicious about the potential EG involvement in the production of this movie. Of course they need to give their agreement before you could do this movie, but how independent is your team? Are any of the members of your team in any way or form affiliated to EG gaming? Did you contact EG about your project or did EG search for someone to realize this project? As someone who is deeply involved in marketing and promotion i primarly see this movie as a way to aquire new sponsors and help in future contract negotiations. I'm not implying that this is a way to let the community pay for something thats primarly used by EG to promote themselves. I'm just in general very sceptical about community-funded movie projects which focus too much on certain persons and companies and not the community as a whole. Those are good questions, I'm happy to answer them. We are fully independent from EG. No member of my crew has any affiliation with the team (or even professional gaming) outside of this documentary. We all work in the film industry, mostly in DC although our DP currently lives in LA. I approached EG last year, actually I first talked to them about documenting their Korean pro house if that tells you how long ago it was. The film is entirely my creation, and I have brought on my crew from my own contacts and colleagues as the process went on. I do think that EG understands the potential for the film to help their organization, but from the beginning it's been clear from all involved in production that I'm making a movie about the team, not for the team. They have no editorial control, and they understand that I'm not going to ignore controversial topics or only ask softball happy questions. Though I think it's also clear that as a gamer and a fan of SC2, my viewpoint is already biased (every filmmaker's is, if they admit it or not). But as much as I'm happy to say that I will be fair and that I'm not seeking to portray the community or gaming in a bad light (as other films have done in the past) at the same time I'm not making a commercial either. The reason I'm focused on one organization is actually coming from a storytelling perspective. I think the most successful films are the ones that give you a certain number of characters to follow and keep up with. For example, Air Guitar Nation is really only about two competitors. Kings of Pastry covers (I believe) four chefs at the end, and only follows one through the entire process/film. Spellbound is a bit larger with eight students. Along with that, I'm interested in how a team works from a business and organization perspective. EG has a long history as a team with multiple divisions outside of SC2, which makes them ideal for this kind of story. But the potential for promotion of the team doesn't enter into any of _my_ decisions. What I film, what questions I ask, and how the piece will be edited are not being done with that in mind. My sole concern is telling a compelling story and making a good film. | ||
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KingOctavious
United States324 Posts
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damod
1106 Posts
On September 27 2011 02:08 KingOctavious wrote: Don't have a lot to donate, but this looks like it could be really cool. I'm in for $5. every amount helps, even 1$ ^^ | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it. | ||
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eNigma627
United States51 Posts
On September 27 2011 04:22 ishyishy wrote: Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor. Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it. Probably because the film will not be free when it's released. The people "begging for donations" are making a film that's 100% free to everyone to view and they're spending thousands of dollars to do it with no sort of kickback or compensation for their time/travel/equipment costs - that yields a pretty crappy ROI. The reason people ask for donations is because no one can afford to just cancel work, fly somewhere, take videos, spend the time processing and editing them, and distributing the finished film. And even if they could, should they? There are either donations up-front (or during the filming - like now for this documentary) or the film will cost money later. | ||
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Brya
United States58 Posts
On September 27 2011 04:22 ishyishy wrote: Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor. Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it. Well, before anybody points this out to you, we are asking for donations but elsewhere and not just from the Starcraft community. And not on TL. That said, it's not a "you guys donate or this won't happen." I've invested the first half of the funding myself and I'm fundraising in other areas as well, so there will be a film. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On September 27 2011 04:22 ishyishy wrote: Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor. Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it. As one of the people involved already mentioned, they do have a donation page at kickstarter asking for 10K in donations. | ||
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Duckvillelol
Australia1256 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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Brya
United States58 Posts
On September 30 2011 21:51 Zorkmid wrote: Is this going to cost money to watch? The short answer is, I don't know right now. The long answer is that at this point, documentary filmmakers are still trying to find ways to not lose everything they have pursuing their passion. I've invested my entire savings account into this film. This is because I believe in the project to the depths of my being. Even our current fundraising push is not to pay that money back, but to continue filming and move into post production. There are some great docs out there that are making a study of a free release alongside a DVD/paid HD release. I'm following those developments very, very closely to see how it pans out for them. I'm going to be taking every option into account, and I am going to be doing my best to figure out a way to get the film to as many people for as little as possible. These decisions are all going to be dependent on a number of factors that I don't have all the information on right now. It's not just about how other filmmakers are handling it, but by the time the film is out next year the technology will probably have changed. How successful our fundraising efforts are and if we attract more investors will be part of it. The reception of the film and the number of fans who are interested in it will play a part (if we could support a free release through advertising, for example). These are all factors that will be taken into account as we work through post production early next year, and I'm certainly going to keep everyone posted about how that goes. If nothing else, I'm always very open to the idea of free screenings after the film is released. Again, that's something I'll be working on when the film moves into post production and I'm not spending all of my time organizing flights and equipment rentals. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On October 01 2011 01:52 Brya wrote: The short answer is, I don't know right now. The long answer is that at this point, documentary filmmakers are still trying to find ways to not lose everything they have pursuing their passion. I've invested my entire savings account into this film. This is because I believe in the project to the depths of my being. Even our current fundraising push is not to pay that money back, but to continue filming and move into post production. There are some great docs out there that are making a study of a free release alongside a DVD/paid HD release. I'm following those developments very, very closely to see how it pans out for them. I'm going to be taking every option into account, and I am going to be doing my best to figure out a way to get the film to as many people for as little as possible. These decisions are all going to be dependent on a number of factors that I don't have all the information on right now. It's not just about how other filmmakers are handling it, but by the time the film is out next year the technology will probably have changed. How successful our fundraising efforts are and if we attract more investors will be part of it. The reception of the film and the number of fans who are interested in it will play a part (if we could support a free release through advertising, for example). These are all factors that will be taken into account as we work through post production early next year, and I'm certainly going to keep everyone posted about how that goes. If nothing else, I'm always very open to the idea of free screenings after the film is released. Again, that's something I'll be working on when the film moves into post production and I'm not spending all of my time organizing flights and equipment rentals. I'm asking mostly because the gaming community in general doesn't shell out for these sorts of things. I hope you haven't put the cart before the horse on this, best of luck! | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On October 01 2011 03:28 Zorkmid wrote: I'm asking mostly because the gaming community in general doesn't shell out for these sorts of things. I hope you haven't put the cart before the horse on this, best of luck! For the record, I'd pay for this, if the price tag wasn't ridiculous. Good luck. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
Even though im only a fan and not directly related to EG or the Project creators, i cant help my self but say A huge "Thank you so much" to the person who donated such a generous amount to complete the funding to the project. also a huge "thank you" to every other donator who pledged any amount to this project  | ||
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Fkyx
United States109 Posts
On October 01 2011 03:28 Zorkmid wrote: I'm asking mostly because the gaming community in general doesn't shell out for these sorts of things. I hope you haven't put the cart before the horse on this, best of luck! You're trying to speak for a lot of people here. I think the amount of people who are willing to support the growth of e-sports in general outnumber the people who want everything for free. The response from the community toward all of the kickstarter projects is proof of this. I would personally gladly "shell out" for a hard copy of a documentary like this. To Mary: Have you considered a "pay what you want" model? | ||
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Brya
United States58 Posts
On October 02 2011 20:08 damod wrote: Wowowowowow, i opened the kickstarted page yesterday and saw that the project already reached 50% of its funding, then i opened it up again today to see any changes, and noticed it went from 50% to 100%, i scrolled down and saw that someone pledged 5k$ to this project. Even though im only a fan and not directly related to EG or the Project creators, i cant help my self but say A huge "Thank you so much" to the person who donated such a generous amount to complete the funding to the project. also a huge "thank you" to every other donator who pledged any amount to this project I completely agree with that, I'm so thankful to everybody. I've been knocked almost speechless by this support we've received. It's been so wonderful. I still just don't even know what to say that comes close to capturing how I feel right now. On October 02 2011 20:28 Fkyx wrote: I would personally gladly "shell out" for a hard copy of a documentary like this. To Mary: Have you considered a "pay what you want" model? It's definitely one of the things that we're looking at, I've been trying to find reports about films (and other projects) that have done that and how successful they were, or not. But I'm pretty fascinated by that as a payment model, personally. | ||
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Brya
United States58 Posts
This means: -I'm looking for fans to interview. You don't have to be a fan of EG, just a Starcraft 2 fan (or even just an esports fan, but if you don't love SC2, why are you here?). I'm always open to other viewpoints, so seriously, if you want to be on camera and tell me why EG is killing esports, then I'm interested. -I'll have wristbands available for any of our donors from our Kickstarter campaign to pick theirs up in person. I might be talked into giving away a couple as well, if you're good. -If you have any questions/concerns/comments/issues with the film, then you'll have a chance to ask me! I love talking to people at events, so feel free to just come and say hi. If you want to get in touch with us before the event to set up a meeting or anything, email info at goodgamemovie dot com. You can also message me on twitter, @ninehourfilms or using the #ggmovie tag, I'll see it. And another thing! I'll be on the SC2NewSCast today, I'll post a link as soon as the VOD is available! Check them out here: sc2newscast.com | ||
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Brya
United States58 Posts
http://sc2newscast.blogspot.com/2011/10/weekly-edit-18.html | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
I really look forward to watch the full video as soon as it releases next year. ESports is very interesting and it is great of you people to finally be pioneers in the foreigner scene to go into all the trouble of making a documentary about eSports as a whole as well as about one of the influential teams surrounding it. Evil Geniuses may not have been the obvious choice when it comes to deciding upon a team to feature, but nonetheless I think that you have made a good choice in doing so. EG has a good history, long list of achievements and a good roster when it comes to it's SC2 players (I do not know about the other teams within EG). Showing people how this team is managed is a very exciting prospect, and I can't wait for the full video. Hopefully this video will reach the ignorant masses and show to them how worthy eSports is. Thanks for all the good work and I sincerely hope that this project will reach all of it's intended goals | ||
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