Hello! My name is Mary Ratliff, I'm the director of Good Game, one of the Starcraft 2 documentaries you may have heard of.
I wanted to create a thread for a couple reasons. First, so that any of you guys who want to keep up with the film have a place to come to for updates and information. Second, because we want your input as we work on the film! More on that in a moment.
Our film is focused on Team Evil Geniuses and their Starcraft 2 Players. We're interested in the SC2 scene, of course, but also we want to get into what makes a professional gaming team work. How do they make this crazy dream a reality? We're talking to all of the members of the team, but we're also talking to the people who really make it work. We want to know every part of the team, in front of and behind the scenes. We'll also be talking to several members of the community to get their perspective not just on the team but also the world of competitive SC2 and esports in America and abroad. We've got some great people that you'll recognize that are interested and willing to be in the film, and I'll announce them in this space as soon as their interviews are done.
We'll also be exploring the history of the team, and talking about where they hope to go in the future both from the player and the team perspective. We'll be visiting the EG Lair, and traveling to South Korea to see their players compete there as well.
The crew and I have been hard at work on this film for a year now, and we've already crisscrossed the US to film a variety of events. We've got hours of footage that we can't wait for you to see, but we will keep filming through the end of the year. I want show a year in the life of an esports team. The film should be completed mid-way through 2012.
Now, I mentioned that we want input and participation from the community. So I'm sure your'e wondering about that. What do I want from you?
It's pretty simple. I'm fascinated by the dedication and talent of the fans of esports. The fanart, the music, the YouTube channels, podcasts...the people who love this scene are artistic in a way that other fans aren't.
I want to talk to fans about what drives them to be so involved in this community, I want to talk to a musician or two about the inspiration for making SC2 parody songs.
And I just want to talk to more fans. You don't even have to be a fan of EG in particular, we want a variety of fans and opinions. We're going to be at IPL3 and MLG Orlando in the next few weeks, and if you're going to be there too then please consider talking to us for a few minutes. You can PM me here, or email info [at] goodgamemovie.com if you are interested.
What can you do if you're not going to be able to meet us in person and be on camera (or if you don't want to)? Post here, and tell me what you want to know about the team. What question have you wanted to ask that nobody seems to be asking them? What do you want to see that hasn't been seen? What do you find interesting about esports, SC2, and/or EG that you think the whole world should know about?
Wondering who we are? You can find out a lot more about the film at the website: http://www.goodgamemovie.com. We'll also be keeping that updated with blog posts, images, and new videos on a regular basis.
The brief summary is that we are a group of professional filmmakers that happen to also be lifelong gamers. You can find out more about me personally at my website, http://www.ninehourfilms.com. That's got all the long bios, credits, and fun stuff that I won't bore you with here.
I've been playing Starcraft off and on for over a decade and I've been watching competitive games for a while now. I attended MLG DC last year, and that's where this project was born. When I got home I immediately started researching and writing proposals for this film because I knew that the rest of the world needed to know about this. I love using my creative work to fight stereotypes and try to show people that something they might not understand is actually something they should celebrate and support.
Please feel free to ask me any questions you have about the project, I'll check this page regularly, and update whenever we have a new video or something I think you'll want to see.
On September 26 2011 04:04 Jojo131 wrote: There aren't many things I'd consider to be as important as the bitch-ton of work I've got lined up for me this year.
This however, seems like it'll be worth it!
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So many documentaries/films being made about esports, absolutely love it:D
Certainly the most professional looking e-sports documentary I've seen so far, pretty exciting. Hopefully they really capture the "tone" of e-sports and do so in a way that makes me say "hey, this is something I would want to show someone who has no idea about pro-gaming."
I hope I don't offend anyone, but I don't think a movie about a team that only has very few of their players ever deliver results is worth a documentary. Hell, two of those players are almost completely brand new to the team and the other two have been slumping hard for a few months now. The rest are almost no-names and/or have been living off their early SC2 success. I mean, how are you going to make a documentary enticing when we see EG players not win a single game in group stages?
On September 26 2011 04:17 Joey Wheeler wrote: I hope I don't offend anyone, but I don't think a movie about a team that only has very few of their players ever deliver results is worth a documentary. Hell, two of those players are almost completely brand new to the team and the other two have been slumping hard for a few months now. The rest are almost no-names and/or have been living off their early SC2 success. I mean, how are you going to make a documentary enticing when we see EG players not win a single game in group stages?
I think an EG documentary could be more interesting than most teams. This isn't based on results necessarily, but the team's interest, history, and drama. Also, they are one of the only foreign teams with a team house. If that fact starts to get them results, it will be very good to see in the documentary. Add to that all the drama about them picking up Huk and Puma. Also the fact that Idra, Huk, and Puma will be staying in Korea together. This doc could be awesome.
On September 26 2011 04:17 Joey Wheeler wrote: I hope I don't offend anyone, but I don't think a movie about a team that only has very few of their players ever deliver results is worth a documentary. Hell, two of those players are almost completely brand new to the team and the other two have been slumping hard for a few months now. The rest are almost no-names and/or have been living off their early SC2 success. I mean, how are you going to make a documentary enticing when we see EG players not win a single game in group stages?
Evil Geniuses is the most accomplished NA team. Who else will they make a documentary of?
This looks really sick. Maybe having like a documentary of their games in 2011 MLGs or something chronological would be sick. Then again, just seeing what they're like and how hard they practice is pretty sick too.
On September 26 2011 04:17 Joey Wheeler wrote: I hope I don't offend anyone, but I don't think a movie about a team that only has very few of their players ever deliver results is worth a documentary. Hell, two of those players are almost completely brand new to the team and the other two have been slumping hard for a few months now. The rest are almost no-names and/or have been living off their early SC2 success. I mean, how are you going to make a documentary enticing when we see EG players not win a single game in group stages?
I think an EG documentary could be more interesting than most teams. This isn't based on results necessarily, but the team's interest, history, and drams. Also, they are one of the only foreign teams with a team house. If that fact starts to get them results, it will be very good for the documentary. Add to that all the drama about them picking up Huk and Puma. Also the fact that Idra, Huk, and Puma will be staying in Korea together. This doc could be awesome.
Yeah i agree there is just something attractive on the EG life style that makes me interested in them more than any other team, despite not having good results in major tournys.
like the Eg.lair, The streams, the the amusing videos of them on youtube etc etc
Is the film going to be dealing with EG SC2 team only, or all of the teams? Seems like SC2, which I'm fine with, but I'm interested in how the organization handles the other esports teams.
I have a couple quick questions about the project: Will you make a feature length film out of this? I'm asking because I imagine you probably have hundreds of hours of footage. The fan/community participation alone could fill an entire movie easily. Also, will this have a theatrical release or will it be like a download? I heard The Sons of Starcraft will be in some kind of film festival, your movie too?
I really don't see the interest of all these documentaries about SC2 (3 or 4 in the making?), as the subject seems fairly limited to me. I love Starcraft, but i not going to spent 50 minutes watching a movie about youngsters playing games. The most interesting human story in EG is Incontrol. I don't like the guy, but from the point of view of the film director, he's an interesting case. He may be a big-mouthed fool, but he's a competitor. He's popular and famous, but he's on an enormous slump at this moment. How does he cope with failure and stress? At least, that's the kind of story that could appeal farther than SC2 fans, i think
Well, good luck. And i'm lying, despite the whining, i'm probably going to see your film, i'm a starcraft fanboy after all
On September 26 2011 04:47 legaton wrote: I really don't see the interest of all these documentaries about SC2 (3 or 4 in the making?), as the subject seems fairly limited to me. I love Starcraft, but i not going to spent 50 minutes watching a movie about youngsters playing games. The most interesting human story in EG is Incontrol. I don't like the guy, but from the point of view of the film director, he's an interesting case. He may be a big-mouthed fool, but he's a competitor. He's popular and famous, but he's on an enormous slump at this moment. How does he cope with failure and stress? At least, that's the kind of story that could appeal farther than SC2 fans, i think
Well, good luck. And i'm lying, despite the whining, i'm probably going to see your film, i'm a starcraft fanboy after all
IMO the best documentary story that can be told are Tastosis', and apparently that's happening? I've heard vague things about the sacrifices that Artosis had to go through to be where he is now, and I think that's the best "human" story that can be told in Esports.
On September 26 2011 04:53 Lafer wrote: Looks good! But what's going on with the other ones that are also being made? Have any of them been finished?
I don't know which one are you referring, but these latest "donation call" movies haven't barely started yet. You know, making a document doesn't happen in a week or two.
On September 26 2011 04:34 ronpaul012 wrote: Is the film going to be dealing with EG SC2 team only, or all of the teams? Seems like SC2, which I'm fine with, but I'm interested in how the organization handles the other esports teams.
We're focused on the SC2 team for the main story of the film. But you can't talk about even part of Evil Geniuses without talking about their history, their involvement in other games, and all of that. It certainly will be addressed, just not focused on.
On September 26 2011 04:17 Accer wrote: Certainly the most professional looking e-sports documentary I've seen so far, pretty exciting. Hopefully they really capture the "tone" of e-sports and do so in a way that makes me say "hey, this is something I would want to show someone who has no idea about pro-gaming."
That's our main goal. Since I'm a gamer, I want something that really celebrates gamers and esports the way they deserve to be celebrated. I already knew these guys worked hard and that the community was fantastic, but getting really into it to make the film has only increased that appreciation.
On September 26 2011 04:23 alexhard wrote: Ironic title choice given Idra's views no the "gg"...intended?
The recent trend of sc2 docus is pretty sweet...
Not really intentional at all, to be honest, though I admit I enjoy the irony and conversation that it brings out. I like the title because it works on multiple levels, those are my favorite kind.
On September 26 2011 04:38 surfinbird1 wrote: I have a couple quick questions about the project: Will you make a feature length film out of this? I'm asking because I imagine you probably have hundreds of hours of footage. The fan/community participation alone could fill an entire movie easily. Also, will this have a theatrical release or will it be like a download? I heard The Sons of Starcraft will be in some kind of film festival, your movie too?
Yes, it's a feature length film. I've been scared to add up our total footage count recently, but we definitely have more than enough on that front, you're right!
The fun thing about filmmaking is that you can't make any guarantees about where your film is going to go. It's very rare for an independent documentary to get a theatrical release, but if a distribution company wants to talk to me about it, my email is in the post *laugh* I'm looking at a lot of different ways to get the film out to people. The fun thing about film distribution is that it's completely changing right now. But I do still plan to submit the film to festivals and make a festival run a priority. Then there are several different avenues to go after that along with DVD sales.
On September 26 2011 04:47 legaton wrote: I really don't see the interest of all these documentaries about SC2 (3 or 4 in the making?), as the subject seems fairly limited to me. I love Starcraft, but i not going to spent 50 minutes watching a movie about youngsters playing games. The most interesting human story in EG is Incontrol. I don't like the guy, but from the point of view of the film director, he's an interesting case. He may be a big-mouthed fool, but he's a competitor. He's popular and famous, but he's on an enormous slump at this moment. How does he cope with failure and stress? At least, that's the kind of story that could appeal farther than SC2 fans, i think
Well, good luck. And i'm lying, despite the whining, i'm probably going to see your film, i'm a starcraft fanboy after all
I understand what you're saying, and it's actually something that we've been conscious of since the beginning. The best films are about people, and that's part of why we chose to follow EG. We didn't want to just watch people play games, we wanted to have human beings the audience will care about and be invested in, and follow them on their journey through the year. I've been saying from the beginning that this isn't a film about a game, it's about the people that play the game.
On September 26 2011 04:59 ThatGuy89 wrote: not got a vid of her singing 'dan' that was fucking awesome on NASL
good work, love the vids,EG FTW
We actually do have video of it, but the interview was about Overrun This Town so we went with that instead ; )
On September 26 2011 05:05 vol wrote: What are you shooting on?
We're using a Sony EX-1.
On September 26 2011 05:13 mAgixWTF wrote: Will this documentary show only the great parts of esports and gaming, like a hype video, or will this be a allround documentary? :x
I'm aiming for a well rounded video that has the highs and lows. I just want people to know I'm not looking to manufacture conflict or paint the scene in a bad light just to get an audience's attention. I'm not going to shy away from things to keep it light and fluffy, but I love esports and gaming myself so my perspective will always be skewed to the positive side of things.
On September 26 2011 05:01 eloist wrote: Is this only about EG?
Amazing how you can't just read the OP.
Or the title... lol
There seems to be a documentary about everything Starcraft these days. This might be pushing it a little. I think a team like Root would have made a better story-line because it was a grass-roots movement. I mean, I'm sure there is enough content for an entertaining hour or two. But personally, and selfishly, I would have liked to see a doc about Root or f0u or something. A team with a story, a struggle, and an eventual triumph. I think it would make a great documentary, but I'm sure this will be fun to watch anyway. I look forward to see this!
I'm actually so excited about this! And the documentary about tastosis :D Dont' let anyone tell you the documentary market is oversaturated. I can't wait.
I am extremely impressed by the teaser itself. I'm going to try and donate because this looks extremely well produced, thought-out, planned, organized and if the final product looks half as good as the teaser trailer, it's going to be amazing. Keep it up guys.
I keep reading about a lot of documentaries floating around these days but personally I had only heard about the Tastosis one before. This one looks quite interesting too though when looking at the trailer.
Wow, looks amazing! There will be one nerd here tripping out hard as things get closer, I love these. And seems really good quality. Bit of voiceover, I'm in heaven. Thanks so much, appreciate your efforts and hope this can give you a bit of support and more feel good happy motivation <3 Roll on
On September 26 2011 04:09 BushidoSnipr wrote: A movie called GG that has IdrA in it. Lol!
Well GLHF looking forward to it. EG is definitely one of the coolest and most diverse teams out there and they have plenty to offer.
Ironic, isn't it?
I admire what EG has going for them. They have a great house, a documentary, great players.. but I still can't bring myself to like them. Too much ego for one team -__-.
On September 26 2011 07:15 wattabeast wrote: Is it similar to that other documentary that there were ads for at MLGs? (Please tell me name of that other one ^^)
sigh... Im very curious as to how much money in total has been given to documentaries about the sc scene..
ive yet to see one. is there anything thats even close to finished?
Well, we started prepping a year ago and haven't finished filming, so I don't know that anybody else has either (several of the other films had longer shooting schedules than we do even). The problem with doc films is that they just take time to do them right.
I do admit we've got a Kickstarter going, though I didn't link to it in the TL post because there are other avenues for that, and TL isn't about asking for cash. So I don't want this thread to be about that. Because we just finished a new trailer for the film, I'm also doing more publicity and telling people about the project and so the timing coincided.
I do think it's also worth saying that I'm not asking the SC2 community to put up the entire funding for the project, or even to completely fund the Kickstarter campaign. The campaign goal is for a portion of our budget, and as I type this I'm also working on spreading the word to other groups I belong to like professional organizations and all of that fun stuff. I'm not just posting to reddit and begging them. I'm equal opportunity begging ; )
All that being said, I don't want my TL thread to be about the funding. I'm going to follow the rules of this forum, and like I said, there are other places to have that conversation. This should be about the fans and the film.
On September 26 2011 07:15 wattabeast wrote: Is it similar to that other documentary that there were ads for at MLGs? (Please tell me name of that other one ^^)
That's Star Nation, which is being made by a great crew. We've talked with the director, Justin, and their producer Andrew at MLG events.
The films are superficially similar, in that they are feature length documentaries about Starcraft 2. But like I said, we've talked a lot about our projects and we're focused in on different things. I don't want to speak for them, but I feel like they'll be different movies, maybe even work in a very complimentary way. I feel that if somebody sees my film and wants to know more about pro gaming in general, I can direct them to Star Nation. If somebody sees theirs and wants to get into more detail about the business and organizational aspects of the teams and find out how that works, they can watch my film.
On September 26 2011 08:54 AlternativeEgo wrote: A documentary focused on the richest(?) team in the scene? Just tell them to pay for the hole shabang. Looks great so far.
EG is very supportive of the film, but we've talked about this and chose together not to go this route for various reasons.
The biggest one for me is that I don't want any appearance of conflict of interest. I don't doubt that if EG helped with the funding that they would still allow me to retain editorial control. But it wouldn't necessarily appear that way to others.
I love e-sport documentaries. The only problem with a lot of them is that when they're finally finished, they're amazingly dated. Who knows what is going to happen by mid-2012? The whole landscape of the game or team can be on it's head by the time it finally is released.
My favorite e-sport documentary so far was the one that they did about Mike Ross for G4. In-depth, shows you the true personality of the player, and the world he lives in.
On September 26 2011 10:29 Fionn wrote: I love e-sport documentaries. The only problem with a lot of them is that when they're finally finished, they're amazingly dated. Who knows what is going to happen by mid-2012? The whole landscape of the game or team can be on it's head by the time it finally is released.
My favorite e-sport documentary so far was the one that they did about Mike Ross for G4. In-depth, shows you the true personality of the player, and the world he lives in.
I agree with this 100%. Unless the documentary is revolving around someone who can clearly stay at the top of the game for a good 8 months, the documentary becomes dated and potentially less tangible to the current.
On September 26 2011 10:29 Fionn wrote: I love e-sport documentaries. The only problem with a lot of them is that when they're finally finished, they're amazingly dated. Who knows what is going to happen by mid-2012? The whole landscape of the game or team can be on it's head by the time it finally is released.
My favorite e-sport documentary so far was the one that they did about Mike Ross for G4. In-depth, shows you the true personality of the player, and the world he lives in.
I agree with this 100%. Unless the documentary is revolving around someone who can clearly stay at the top of the game for a good 8 months, the documentary becomes dated and potentially less tangible to the current.
I think that's something that nearly every documentary faces, and it's certainly something that's on our minds as we work. But the thing about film is that we aim to capture a moment and tell a story, and we rely on the news and the fabulous esports journalists to be bringing up to the minute coverage.
One of the things we love about Starcraft and have talked about with the players is how fast the whole game can change, so that's something that's actually part of what we're looking at and exploring.
On September 26 2011 11:25 desrow wrote: if it wasn't the 6th or 7th documentary that is trying to get funded by the community i'd be pumped but now =( nice trailer tho
How about you get pumped and ignore the fundraising? We don't need you to donate to love the movie or be excited about it!
On September 26 2011 11:55 Liudo wrote: A film about EG? Not excited about that at all. They get are way over-exposed in terms of publicity.
well, all this exposure mainly happened from unintentional incidents and community speculation. i dont think that EG is being "try hard" to get attention, but its the community who love/hate/controverse their acts and make a huge news out of it.
alot of people love drama and EG gives it almost every time...
I'm not a big EG fan but I have to give credit where credit is due. EG know how to market themselves. Other teams should take an example from this. It can only help in the long run.
People can say whatever they want about EG, but they are one of the oldest organizations in eSports. The people behind the organization have a ton of experience in this field. EG isn't my favorite team (don't really have one), but I respect them and give credit when it's due.
So... many... movies ! I guess i'll donate to all of them but i wish they would at least give us ball parks of when they could be released. Also, free downloads / screenings for donors would be nice lol
On September 26 2011 18:23 CeRipH wrote: Wow really looking forward to this. Definitely looks like something worthy of showing to even my non-gamer friends :D
EG seems to me like a great choice, not to take anything away from other teams. Top players, top personalities, Anna Prosser.
On September 26 2011 20:04 sitromit wrote: I like the part in the trailer where Machine says, "I'm not here to finish top 20, I'm here to win" LOL!!! :p
thats one thing to admire about the EG players, even though some of them are not favourite to win, they wont give and will try again.
On September 26 2011 17:00 Loodah wrote: So... many... movies ! I guess i'll donate to all of them but i wish they would at least give us ball parks of when they could be released. Also, free downloads / screenings for donors would be nice lol
We're aiming for summer of next year, but like Blizzard, things don't always go according to plan (film production actually is very similar to game releases).
There are DVDs for donors, and I'm more than willing to swap out a digital download for international donors to save shipping, I just have to talk with my producer about a few things before I put it out for everybody. I can get a bit old school and wary of that kind of thing sometimes, when I first started making films that wasn't a possibility so it takes getting used to.
The thing with screenings is that if you are interested in submitting to festivals you have to be careful about your premiere status and the number of screenings you've already had. It's a complicated thing that takes some figuring out, and I didn't want to promise something that would hurt the film's chances. I'm absolutely interested in having screenings (online and off) for donors before everything is said and done. I just don't know when they would be right now because I would have to finish formulating our festival strategy and have more information.
EG fits perfectly for a documentation. You have stories like Idra rage, you have Anna Prosser, Miss Oregon who's interested in gaming, you have a really nice training house and (most importantly) the characters of team EG are really good and interesting: Idra (BM etc.), iNcontrol (great personality to promote things), Demuslim (really nice and friendly), Puma (korean who lives in the US for gaming right now, language and cultural barrier), Machine, Axlav, LZgamer, Strifeco and inka (all want to become really better and take this very serious) and HuK (total Boss, lives in Korea and perfoms well in GSL). This seems to become a good documentary, looking forward to it!
This looks really promising, can't wait to see the whole thing.
And to answer one of the questions: "What do you find interesting about esports, SC2, and/or EG?"
I have been a huge sports nut all my life, both as a fan and a competitor. It's the exact same things that draws me to SC2. The competition, the entertainment, watching and being amazed at the raw talent and/or hard work in action, bumping heads at the highest level.
What I find interesting about EG is that they are more "in touch" with the community than any other teams (barring Team Liquid). The team has profiles like InControl, Idra, Demuslim, Huk, etc They have a team house, they have tournaments, they're going to Korea. They are headed in the same direction I want esports/SC2 to go. Forwards.
Checked the kickstarter page and many of the items you get for giving money involve items from EG or their sponsors. Example: -full size poster signed by all the members of Evil Geniuses SC2 -Personal mention on the @evilgeniuses twitter account -EG Mousepad signed by all the members of the team -A visit to the EG Lair in Phoenix to game with the team and see a special screening of the film.
This makes me a little bit suspicious about the potential EG involvement in the production of this movie. Of course they need to give their agreement before you could do this movie, but how independent is your team? Are any of the members of your team in any way or form affiliated to EG gaming? Did you contact EG about your project or did EG search for someone to realize this project?
As someone who is deeply involved in marketing and promotion i primarly see this movie as a way to aquire new sponsors and help in future contract negotiations. I'm not implying that this is a way to let the community pay for something thats primarly used by EG to promote themselves. I'm just in general very sceptical about community-funded movie projects which focus too much on certain persons and companies and not the community as a whole.
Hate to be devil's advocate, and no offense to Mary or anyone else involved, but I don't believe this documentary needs to be made nor do I understand why now. The SC2 story of EG has not yet developed to anything note worthy yet. I honestly don't think think there is enough depth to this to make this any more than a glorified advertising tool created using community dollars (barely going to mention the fact as to why this isn't being funded by EG themselves), I really hope it isn't. The trailer really didn't wow me over, you really shouldn't have done Incontrol's interview in the MLG showers.
Give it a few years, let EG establish itself further in the SC2 world then make the documentary. Alternatively making a documentary about the history of EG as whole to what it is now and western esports in general, that would be far more interesting.
On September 26 2011 23:46 altfornorge wrote: I got 2 questions:
A feature length documentary, is that one that lasts like 90 minutes?
After all the premiers and official release, is it going to be free to watch?
Yup, we don't know what our runtime is going to be until we're done editing, obviously, but 90 minutes is a good general goal.
The very final end game is still being figured out. The whole film world is actually in a lot of flux right now because the idea of having things free to watch online is very, very new in the grand scheme and we're still all figuring it out. But I've been talking with a few people that have done that about how successful/unsuccessful it was. Ideally it would be readily available online at some point, either for free or for a low and reasonable price point. Or maybe through some sort of subscription type service that most people are already a member of.
On September 27 2011 00:17 shrinkmaster wrote: This makes me a little bit suspicious about the potential EG involvement in the production of this movie. Of course they need to give their agreement before you could do this movie, but how independent is your team? Are any of the members of your team in any way or form affiliated to EG gaming? Did you contact EG about your project or did EG search for someone to realize this project?
As someone who is deeply involved in marketing and promotion i primarly see this movie as a way to aquire new sponsors and help in future contract negotiations. I'm not implying that this is a way to let the community pay for something thats primarly used by EG to promote themselves. I'm just in general very sceptical about community-funded movie projects which focus too much on certain persons and companies and not the community as a whole.
Those are good questions, I'm happy to answer them.
We are fully independent from EG. No member of my crew has any affiliation with the team (or even professional gaming) outside of this documentary. We all work in the film industry, mostly in DC although our DP currently lives in LA.
I approached EG last year, actually I first talked to them about documenting their Korean pro house if that tells you how long ago it was. The film is entirely my creation, and I have brought on my crew from my own contacts and colleagues as the process went on.
I do think that EG understands the potential for the film to help their organization, but from the beginning it's been clear from all involved in production that I'm making a movie about the team, not for the team. They have no editorial control, and they understand that I'm not going to ignore controversial topics or only ask softball happy questions. Though I think it's also clear that as a gamer and a fan of SC2, my viewpoint is already biased (every filmmaker's is, if they admit it or not). But as much as I'm happy to say that I will be fair and that I'm not seeking to portray the community or gaming in a bad light (as other films have done in the past) at the same time I'm not making a commercial either.
The reason I'm focused on one organization is actually coming from a storytelling perspective. I think the most successful films are the ones that give you a certain number of characters to follow and keep up with. For example, Air Guitar Nation is really only about two competitors. Kings of Pastry covers (I believe) four chefs at the end, and only follows one through the entire process/film. Spellbound is a bit larger with eight students.
Along with that, I'm interested in how a team works from a business and organization perspective. EG has a long history as a team with multiple divisions outside of SC2, which makes them ideal for this kind of story.
But the potential for promotion of the team doesn't enter into any of _my_ decisions. What I film, what questions I ask, and how the piece will be edited are not being done with that in mind. My sole concern is telling a compelling story and making a good film.
Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor.
Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it.
On September 27 2011 04:22 ishyishy wrote: Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor.
Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it.
Probably because the film will not be free when it's released. The people "begging for donations" are making a film that's 100% free to everyone to view and they're spending thousands of dollars to do it with no sort of kickback or compensation for their time/travel/equipment costs - that yields a pretty crappy ROI.
The reason people ask for donations is because no one can afford to just cancel work, fly somewhere, take videos, spend the time processing and editing them, and distributing the finished film. And even if they could, should they?
There are either donations up-front (or during the filming - like now for this documentary) or the film will cost money later.
On September 27 2011 04:22 ishyishy wrote: Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor.
Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it.
Well, before anybody points this out to you, we are asking for donations but elsewhere and not just from the Starcraft community. And not on TL.
That said, it's not a "you guys donate or this won't happen." I've invested the first half of the funding myself and I'm fundraising in other areas as well, so there will be a film.
On September 27 2011 04:22 ishyishy wrote: Finally a documentary that isnt begging for donations. It's awesome that people want to do this, but when every single one of them is saying "well its either you guys donate or this wont happen" its nice to see there is one that is being professionally done without this factor.
Thanks for doing this and im looking forward to it.
As one of the people involved already mentioned, they do have a donation page at kickstarter asking for 10K in donations.
The input for this doco looks awesome, great to see EG helping out with the kickstarter too! Going to donate once the AUD evens up with the USD so that my money is worth a bit more :D
On September 30 2011 21:51 Zorkmid wrote: Is this going to cost money to watch?
The short answer is, I don't know right now.
The long answer is that at this point, documentary filmmakers are still trying to find ways to not lose everything they have pursuing their passion. I've invested my entire savings account into this film. This is because I believe in the project to the depths of my being. Even our current fundraising push is not to pay that money back, but to continue filming and move into post production.
There are some great docs out there that are making a study of a free release alongside a DVD/paid HD release. I'm following those developments very, very closely to see how it pans out for them. I'm going to be taking every option into account, and I am going to be doing my best to figure out a way to get the film to as many people for as little as possible.
These decisions are all going to be dependent on a number of factors that I don't have all the information on right now. It's not just about how other filmmakers are handling it, but by the time the film is out next year the technology will probably have changed. How successful our fundraising efforts are and if we attract more investors will be part of it. The reception of the film and the number of fans who are interested in it will play a part (if we could support a free release through advertising, for example). These are all factors that will be taken into account as we work through post production early next year, and I'm certainly going to keep everyone posted about how that goes.
If nothing else, I'm always very open to the idea of free screenings after the film is released. Again, that's something I'll be working on when the film moves into post production and I'm not spending all of my time organizing flights and equipment rentals.
On September 30 2011 21:51 Zorkmid wrote: Is this going to cost money to watch?
The short answer is, I don't know right now.
The long answer is that at this point, documentary filmmakers are still trying to find ways to not lose everything they have pursuing their passion. I've invested my entire savings account into this film. This is because I believe in the project to the depths of my being. Even our current fundraising push is not to pay that money back, but to continue filming and move into post production.
There are some great docs out there that are making a study of a free release alongside a DVD/paid HD release. I'm following those developments very, very closely to see how it pans out for them. I'm going to be taking every option into account, and I am going to be doing my best to figure out a way to get the film to as many people for as little as possible.
These decisions are all going to be dependent on a number of factors that I don't have all the information on right now. It's not just about how other filmmakers are handling it, but by the time the film is out next year the technology will probably have changed. How successful our fundraising efforts are and if we attract more investors will be part of it. The reception of the film and the number of fans who are interested in it will play a part (if we could support a free release through advertising, for example). These are all factors that will be taken into account as we work through post production early next year, and I'm certainly going to keep everyone posted about how that goes.
If nothing else, I'm always very open to the idea of free screenings after the film is released. Again, that's something I'll be working on when the film moves into post production and I'm not spending all of my time organizing flights and equipment rentals.
I'm asking mostly because the gaming community in general doesn't shell out for these sorts of things. I hope you haven't put the cart before the horse on this, best of luck!
On September 30 2011 21:51 Zorkmid wrote: Is this going to cost money to watch?
The short answer is, I don't know right now.
The long answer is that at this point, documentary filmmakers are still trying to find ways to not lose everything they have pursuing their passion. I've invested my entire savings account into this film. This is because I believe in the project to the depths of my being. Even our current fundraising push is not to pay that money back, but to continue filming and move into post production.
There are some great docs out there that are making a study of a free release alongside a DVD/paid HD release. I'm following those developments very, very closely to see how it pans out for them. I'm going to be taking every option into account, and I am going to be doing my best to figure out a way to get the film to as many people for as little as possible.
These decisions are all going to be dependent on a number of factors that I don't have all the information on right now. It's not just about how other filmmakers are handling it, but by the time the film is out next year the technology will probably have changed. How successful our fundraising efforts are and if we attract more investors will be part of it. The reception of the film and the number of fans who are interested in it will play a part (if we could support a free release through advertising, for example). These are all factors that will be taken into account as we work through post production early next year, and I'm certainly going to keep everyone posted about how that goes.
If nothing else, I'm always very open to the idea of free screenings after the film is released. Again, that's something I'll be working on when the film moves into post production and I'm not spending all of my time organizing flights and equipment rentals.
I'm asking mostly because the gaming community in general doesn't shell out for these sorts of things. I hope you haven't put the cart before the horse on this, best of luck!
For the record, I'd pay for this, if the price tag wasn't ridiculous.
Wowowowowow, i opened the kickstarted page yesterday and saw that the project already reached 50% of its funding, then i opened it up again today to see any changes, and noticed it went from 50% to 100%, i scrolled down and saw that someone pledged 5k$ to this project.
Even though im only a fan and not directly related to EG or the Project creators, i cant help my self but say A huge "Thank you so much" to the person who donated such a generous amount to complete the funding to the project. also a huge "thank you" to every other donator who pledged any amount to this project
On October 01 2011 03:28 Zorkmid wrote: I'm asking mostly because the gaming community in general doesn't shell out for these sorts of things. I hope you haven't put the cart before the horse on this, best of luck!
You're trying to speak for a lot of people here.
I think the amount of people who are willing to support the growth of e-sports in general outnumber the people who want everything for free. The response from the community toward all of the kickstarter projects is proof of this.
I would personally gladly "shell out" for a hard copy of a documentary like this.
To Mary: Have you considered a "pay what you want" model?
On October 02 2011 20:08 damod wrote: Wowowowowow, i opened the kickstarted page yesterday and saw that the project already reached 50% of its funding, then i opened it up again today to see any changes, and noticed it went from 50% to 100%, i scrolled down and saw that someone pledged 5k$ to this project.
Even though im only a fan and not directly related to EG or the Project creators, i cant help my self but say A huge "Thank you so much" to the person who donated such a generous amount to complete the funding to the project. also a huge "thank you" to every other donator who pledged any amount to this project
I completely agree with that, I'm so thankful to everybody. I've been knocked almost speechless by this support we've received. It's been so wonderful. I still just don't even know what to say that comes close to capturing how I feel right now.
On October 02 2011 20:28 Fkyx wrote:
I would personally gladly "shell out" for a hard copy of a documentary like this.
To Mary: Have you considered a "pay what you want" model?
It's definitely one of the things that we're looking at, I've been trying to find reports about films (and other projects) that have done that and how successful they were, or not. But I'm pretty fascinated by that as a payment model, personally.
Hey guys! Just wanted to do a reminder that our crew will be at IPL3 in Atlantic City AND MLG Orlando!
This means: -I'm looking for fans to interview. You don't have to be a fan of EG, just a Starcraft 2 fan (or even just an esports fan, but if you don't love SC2, why are you here?). I'm always open to other viewpoints, so seriously, if you want to be on camera and tell me why EG is killing esports, then I'm interested.
-I'll have wristbands available for any of our donors from our Kickstarter campaign to pick theirs up in person. I might be talked into giving away a couple as well, if you're good.
-If you have any questions/concerns/comments/issues with the film, then you'll have a chance to ask me! I love talking to people at events, so feel free to just come and say hi.
If you want to get in touch with us before the event to set up a meeting or anything, email info at goodgamemovie dot com. You can also message me on twitter, @ninehourfilms or using the #ggmovie tag, I'll see it.
And another thing!
I'll be on the SC2NewSCast today, I'll post a link as soon as the VOD is available! Check them out here: sc2newscast.com
Such a good project you guys have chosen to do, well done!
I really look forward to watch the full video as soon as it releases next year. ESports is very interesting and it is great of you people to finally be pioneers in the foreigner scene to go into all the trouble of making a documentary about eSports as a whole as well as about one of the influential teams surrounding it.
Evil Geniuses may not have been the obvious choice when it comes to deciding upon a team to feature, but nonetheless I think that you have made a good choice in doing so. EG has a good history, long list of achievements and a good roster when it comes to it's SC2 players (I do not know about the other teams within EG). Showing people how this team is managed is a very exciting prospect, and I can't wait for the full video. Hopefully this video will reach the ignorant masses and show to them how worthy eSports is.
Thanks for all the good work and I sincerely hope that this project will reach all of it's intended goals
Should be pretty awesome! Great to have documentaries on StarCraft, and it will be interesting to see some more of the behind the scenes of team EG. Also definitely worth it to see a movie called GG that has IdrA in it, haha
On October 05 2011 09:45 Ickalanda wrote: Also definitely worth it to see a movie called GG that has IdrA in it, haha
Oh, most definitely! Who knows, maybe the film will end with some kind of easter egg which shows that IdrA finally decided to leave his old bad mannered self behind and embrace the GG life
On October 05 2011 09:08 Brya wrote: If anybody wants to know more about the project, including why I chose EG and Starcraft 2, please check out the SC2NewSCast Weekly Edit!
Hey, thanks everyone. I was about to put the link to this in the thread and I see you have already beat me too it. Had fun with the interview and good luck on the movie!
I've watched many esports documentaries in my day. A few of which I fell in love with were E-@thletes about Team 3D and Complexity, and Fnatic Farewell. I honestly almost cried at the end of Fnatic. I've donated about $25 so far and there may be more coming your way.
Someone should make a documentary about Teamliquid. This site is one of the main reasons starcraft is so amazing, plus, besides having great players, each of TL's players represents things other than pure results or performance. TL is a VERY special team.
On October 08 2011 15:00 TigerKarl wrote: Only fear i have is that this more of a promotion video than a critical documentation.
I can understand why that would be a concern. While I'm open about the fact that I'm a fan of EG and a gamer, at the same time the most important thing to me is that I'm a filmmaker, and that is most important to me. I'm going to tell a compelling story, wherever that leads me.
On October 08 2011 21:22 MattO1337 wrote: I've watched many esports documentaries in my day. A few of which I fell in love with were E-@thletes about Team 3D and Complexity, and Fnatic Farewell. I honestly almost cried at the end of Fnatic. I've donated about $25 so far and there may be more coming your way.
Thank you! Ever bit helps : ) A couple people have mentioned Fnatic Farewell, I'm definitely going to look it up and watch it soon!
On October 09 2011 03:14 Tschis wrote: lal, I just stoped by this thread and was skimming it too fast, when I read "9 hours film" I was like "A NINE HOURS DOCUMENTARY? HOLY-..."
Then I had to read everything, I feel dumb =P
*laugh* I actually get that a lot, don't feel bad : )
I just wanted to let everybody know that if they are in the Washington D.C. area, I'll be appearing as part of a panel of filmmakers at a DC Shorts event on November 3rd. It will be at 7 p.m. at the Apple Store in Georgetown, more information is available here: http://www.apple.com/retail/georgetown/ You have to scroll ahead to next week to see it.
If you wanted to meet me and talk about the film, it's a great chance to do it. I'll also bring wristbands and lanyards with me, so if you are one of our donors you can pick yours up in person!
There's a new interview posted today on Game Zone, it's a really good one because Dustin asked me a lot of questions that people haven't asked before so I got to talk about some new topics, which is always fun. Check it out and share!
In case people were keeping track, our Kickstarter campaign was successful today! I wanted to thank people for all the support we've gotten so far, it's meant the world to me.
On November 02 2011 08:54 BishOpmaster wrote: I am so hyped about this documentary, I hope you go through with it.
Well, thinking of the time and money I've put into it so far, not going through with it would be profoundly unwise ; )
Even if we stopped filming tomorrow, we've got so many hours of great footage that we could put together a good movie. But what we're doing in the next few months is making it a GREAT movie.
Meh, the donation already stopped I just found out about this project, and im really excited for more SC2 goodness. Please tell me I can watch this when it is done even though I dont live in America (the Netherlands, actually). I even want to shell out for a DVD/Blue Ray with shipping costs if thats what it takes All in support of the project. Please tell me this is going to be a possibilty?
On November 02 2011 17:31 Savrill wrote: Meh, the donation already stopped I just found out about this project, and im really excited for more SC2 goodness. Please tell me I can watch this when it is done even though I dont live in America (the Netherlands, actually). I even want to shell out for a DVD/Blue Ray with shipping costs if thats what it takes All in support of the project. Please tell me this is going to be a possibilty?
That is definitely something I'm working on and that I will be doing my absolute best to make sure it happens. No matter what, in the end, it will be available on DVD for everybody but there will probably be a digital download option as well. I can't make any promises or say when or how much it will be, but esports is international so making sure it's available internationally is a very big part of my distribution plan.
Hey guys! If you're going to be at MLG Providence, we want to talk to you for the film! Email me - info at goodgamemovie.com or tweet @ninehourfilms with #ggmovie!
You don't have to be a fan of EG, just a fan of esports.
Nice to see someone doing this, and EG is probably the best choice, now the only concern I have is that this is going to be just a promotion video. I hope i'm wrong.
On November 15 2011 04:29 Flyingdutchman wrote: do you mind if I pirate the film :D
Well, I would rather you didn't just because I'm mostly financing this film myself, and the more people pirate projects like this, the less projects like this get made so it just hurts everybody in the end.
That said, I do recognize that most people pirate films because they are either difficult or expensive to watch through legal channels, so I am going to do my best to make sure that it's widely available for a reasonable amount when everything is all said and done. I just don't know when/where/how much that is yet.
On November 15 2011 04:49 MeriaDoKk wrote: Nice to see someone doing this, and EG is probably the best choice, now the only concern I have is that this is going to be just a promotion video. I hope i'm wrong.
We're independent from EG and approached them about allowing us access to their players/organization for the film. I honestly can't say right now exactly how the film will go, because we follow the story as it presents itself, but I can say that we aren't shying away from asking difficult questions or addressing controversies.
On December 21 2011 21:04 nekoconeco wrote: Are you filming in Korea right now I would love to see Idra's road to GSL Code S January.
I leave next week, and we'll be there for two weeks at the start of Code S. I can't wait, it's going to be a very exciting trip with a lot of great content.
We're also starting our post-production any day now as well, I'm meeting with my editor tomorrow to talk about it!
Just wanted to let everybody know I just got back from Seoul, and there should be some new stuff available coming soon! I'll be doing a couple press interviews in the next few weeks, so I'll announce when those go up so that you can hear all about the trip!
On January 25 2012 05:25 prOpSaiton wrote: So..will you be adjusting parts about Axslav and StrifeCro or are they still relevant to the history of EG and the film?
We'll be adjusting things a bit. The story is a year in the life of the team, and so that becomes part of the story. Obviously we don't know exactly what we'll be doing with it, but they don't get written out or anything like that.
For anybody who may be following: we are looking for a few good volunteers to help us out as we move into post production on the film. Details here: http://goodgamemovie.com/?q=node/60
I find it kinda weird that any movie with IdrA in it should be called "good game", but that's just me. Good luck on your working, looking forward to it!
On this note, I will be doing an interview with Mary this Tuesday on The Weekly Edit. Tune in to http://www.twitch.tv/theamazombie for the live stream at 2:30 PST or on the archives at http://blip.tv/sc2newscast. She was on the show once back on episode 18, so I am looking forward to hearing more about Korea, Slayers, and the EG team as a whole after a year of filming.
It is important you focus on the day to day of being a progamer instead of the players simply talking about each other and patting each other on the back. Some us of WANT to see HuK at his computer, his frustrations and his breakthroughs in gameplay. Even some community tips for improvement would be nice. Just my .02. I'm sure there are people who want a Liquid Rising 2, I don't. Not to say Liquid shouldn't make another doc. I just hope next time it focuses on the game and the players actually playing it and that your documentary avoids those pitfalls.
Mary here, the director of the film. I'm sorry I wasn't here to update you all sooner! I've been really swamped with taking on a lot of projects so that I can stay busy (and earn money to pay people) while our editors are working on the film.
Which of course, is a vague way of saying no, we're not done yet. I had hoped for the film to be finished up by now, but we've pushed back the release for a lot of really good reasons. First and foremost, because we didn't make it out to Korea until January, when we had hoped to be wrapped up on filming and in the editing stage by then. Then several other events happened and we didn't wrap until Mid-March. We also want to make sure that every part of post production is done as well as it can be, which takes time. Our editors are hard at work, and then we'll have graphic artists, a composer, color correction, sound design, it's a really long and complicated process to make a great film. I also have a few other reasons for wanting to take a little bit of extra time, but they're not really ready for a public announcement yet. But I promise, the only reason that we delay the film is to make it better. I know a lot of the things that people worry about with how long it takes to put together a documentary (that the action of the film is no longer relevant, for one) but I'm confident that my team and I can make something that you'll enjoy.
On July 27 2012 00:55 elctrc_wzrd wrote: It is important you focus on the day to day of being a progamer instead of the players simply talking about each other and patting each other on the back. Some us of WANT to see HuK at his computer, his frustrations and his breakthroughs in gameplay. Even some community tips for improvement would be nice. Just my .02. I'm sure there are people who want a Liquid Rising 2, I don't. Not to say Liquid shouldn't make another doc. I just hope next time it focuses on the game and the players actually playing it and that your documentary avoids those pitfalls.
I'm going to be very clear up front here: I've been working non-stop for the last few months and so I haven't had a chance to see Liquid Rising yet. So I can't even begin to speak on it and how we may or may not be different. I've read a few reaction threads, so I do know what people are saying but again, I haven't seen the film and so I can't speak to it myself. And in general, I'm always more comfortable talking about myself and my film and not comparing us to other people/films.
That said, I have been saying from the beginning of this project that it's not about just the game but the people who play the game. The best documentaries are character based, in my opinion, and those are the ones I'm the most drawn to as a director. I'm also a big believer in story and structure, even in non-fiction filmmaking. Banu and Alex, my editors, are on the same page with me on this as well, and it's definitely the reasoning behind every decision that we make.
I can understand your worry, but I can assure you that it's something that we as filmmakers are always wary of and worried about, but especially with this project. It's not as easy a subject as it might appear, but we're doing our best to do it justice. Which brings me right back full circle to why it's taking so long to finish.
I have just set up a mailing list through our website if people want to keep up with how things are going, and our website is also being redesigned right now as well. So there should be a ton of new stuff once that's finished.
I just posted this on our Facebook fanpage, but I thought I would post for our fans here as well:
Fans of Good Game - I know a lot of you have really been anxiously awaiting news and information about the film as we progress through post-production. I apologize for the lack of updates, but in general I'm the only one who maintains the blogs/social media for the film. I've had a series of health, family, and personal issues over the course of this year that have made it hard for me to keep up with everything that I'd like to. I've had to pull back a lot from my participation in the world of esports to focus closer to home.
Rest assured, we are still working on the film, and it is still on track, and we will still have something great for you to see when it is finished. I'm just not being as good as I would like at keeping you all up to date on it and posting to twitter/facebook/the website. I'm looking into a few ways to fix this, but it may take a bit of time and I hope that you'll all be patient. I hate asking you to wait, but I'd rather give you guys something worthwhile than just throwing something together once in a while.
Thank you so much for your support of the film, it has meant the world to me to see that we have so many fans and people excited about seeing what we have to show you. It's definitely something that has helped me this year, and there can't be enough said about that.
Thanks again, and don't worry, this movie is still happening and it's still awesome. And I'll be traveling down to MLG Raleigh for part of the event, so if you'll be there, please tweet at me so we can meet up and chat! I'll bring some stickers and wristbands with me to hand out to fans.
Hey everyone, sorry that this is a necro - googled when the movie was coming out and I'd rather bump an existing thread than make a new one (especially given the quality of the OP). That being said, is there any news on when this film is coming out? I donated to back it up SEVERAL months ago and I don't have the faintest idea as to when I'll be able to watch it.
On February 22 2013 10:29 KaiserKieran wrote: Sons of starcraft 2.0 It's really sad how this hasn't come out yet nearly 2 years later
Actually, we were in pre-production before any of the other announced films, and started filming months before we announced the project, but for some reason that keeps getting forgotten. Not that it matters because it isn't a race, and our topics are actually more different than people realize. Our take is very different from what I know of Sons of Starcraft, and I think they will both be great films.
As for the release date, I admit there have been unforseen complications and I had to delay the release, which I've addressed in posts before. But I've had some pretty rough medical issues over the last year, among many other things both related to the film and personal/family stuff. When I first advertised the release window, I did it after consulting the post production team, and they agreed to the schedule. That team is no longer with the project and we had to bring on a new editor who has agreed to a very ambitious schedule in order to get the film to the fans as quickly as possible without sacrificing quality, because I refuse to release a rushed and substandard film. If it isn't good enough then we will take the time to make it good enough. I don't think the fans would want anything less than our best.
On February 22 2013 10:29 KaiserKieran wrote: Sons of starcraft 2.0 It's really sad how this hasn't come out yet nearly 2 years later
Actually, we were in pre-production before any of the other announced films, and started filming months before we announced the project, but for some reason that keeps getting forgotten. Not that it matters because it isn't a race, and our topics are actually more different than people realize. Our take is very different from what I know of Sons of Starcraft, and I think they will both be great films.
As for the release date, I admit there have been unforseen complications and I had to delay the release, which I've addressed in posts before. But I've had some pretty rough medical issues over the last year, among many other things both related to the film and personal/family stuff. When I first advertised the release window, I did it after consulting the post production team, and they agreed to the schedule. That team is no longer with the project and we had to bring on a new editor who has agreed to a very ambitious schedule in order to get the film to the fans as quickly as possible without sacrificing quality, because I refuse to release a rushed and substandard film. If it isn't good enough then we will take the time to make it good enough. I don't think the fans would want anything less than our best.
Hi Mary, glad that the OP herself has come to comment.
We certainly understand EG's and your desire for a high quality product, especially given their outstanding reputation when it comes to anything involving PR. I'll have to try and hunt down the posts you've mentioned and hope to see the film sometime before June if I'm lucky :D
Make a plan and execute. Obstacles. Overcome them. Delays. Crush them.
How long has it been now? Well over a year? Lessons surely learned, there can be no more excuses.
I hope this motivates.
well ain't that just the shittiest way to try and motivate anyone. did you really think that would come off as "motivation" and not of you looking like an entitled 'person' on the internet? you haven't spent any money on this film I'm sure, so telling the guy who will provide you free content to hurry the hell up doesn't really make you look good. and if you've spent money on it, I'm sure there are better ways to convey such a message in a nonpublic form.
Make a plan and execute. Obstacles. Overcome them. Delays. Crush them.
How long has it been now? Well over a year? Lessons surely learned, there can be no more excuses.
I hope this motivates.
well ain't that just the shittiest way to try and motivate anyone. did you really think that would come off as "motivation" and not of you looking like an entitled 'person' on the internet? you haven't spent any money on this film I'm sure, so telling the guy who will provide you free content to hurry the hell up doesn't really make you look good. and if you've spent money on it, I'm sure there are better ways to convey such a message in a nonpublic form.
I mean technically he is right, from a completely business mindframe, removing the human side of things for a moment, when there is a deadline for something a business is trying to release, they meet that deadline..though, health issues and consideration for things like that is where the human element comes into things lol
On February 24 2013 13:12 BigKahunaBurger wrote: Poor form, another swindle executed to perfection by opportunistic people holding camcorders, ripping off the unwashed masses.
This would be true if they "stuck to their schedule" and released a crappy unfinished product. Personally, I appreciate the dedication to quality because the quantity of content is not what is lacking in the eSports community, it is the quality of the content which is lacking.
I'm definitely looking forward to this and have been excited about it for a while. It would be really awesome if we could be kept updated in the upcoming months leading up to the completion of this project! =)
On February 24 2013 13:29 ApBuLLet wrote: It would be really awesome if we could be kept updated in the upcoming months leading up to the completion of this project! =)
I will try my best to keep up with updating people. The good news is our fantastic webmaster has updated our website so that it works again now, with a new CMS to make it easier for me to keep it up to date. But I do know that March is going to be pretty rough for me (I'm not out of the woods with the medical stuff I mentioned and it's all sort of coming together in a month of annoyances) so I apologize in advance if it takes me some time to get back in the swing of things.
The other good news is that I _just_ got an email with a new cut of sequences from Henry, our new editor, so I'm just about to sit down and watch that. He's really been amazing. One of my favorite things about working with him is how quickly he came to both understand my vision of what I wanted the film to be, and to contribute his own unique point of view. One of the reasons that I don't edit my films on my own is that having another viewpoint makes the film better for an audience. As a director, I get too involved with the footage and with the people, and I no longer have the objectivity needed. What I see sitting next to the camera conducting the interview isn't what the camera sees. I was told once by a festival director that any time he sees that the director wrote, directed, and edited a film he immediately thinks that it will be terrible and that he's almost always right. As someone who has helped screen films for festivals, I can say that really does hold up.
Henry has been a breath of fresh air, but more than that he really _cares_ and I couldn't ask for more. But I should stop bragging about him and actually watch this cut to send him notes.
On February 26 2013 05:31 SniperVul5 wrote: Hey ... I remember a documentary made by TL one time... that went over "well".
Even with actors I don't think it's worth watching.
Because as we all know, two different documentaries made by two different people will ALWAYS be the same in terms of quality.
You're right.... if anything I'd expect EG's to be worse.
1 documentary went bad -> all the damn documentary in the world have to get bad too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This wouldn't even be true if they would have been done by the same guy.
On February 26 2013 05:31 SniperVul5 wrote: Hey ... I remember a documentary made by TL one time... that went over "well".
Even with actors I don't think it's worth watching.
Because as we all know, two different documentaries made by two different people will ALWAYS be the same in terms of quality.
You're right.... if anything I'd expect EG's to be worse.
This seems like a good time to reiterate something that is frequently getting lost in the chatter about the film: EG are our subjects in the film and they allowed us to interview them/film them. They have no involvement in the funding nor do they have any creative control. Which means right out of the gate it's an entirely different breed of project than Liquid Rising*.
This is a Nine Hour Films project only, as of right now there are no other production partners and the only person with any final say on it is me, though I am always taking other opinions into account including those of the fans.
*I want to make sure it's understood that I am NOT disparaging Liquid Rising. My statement is just that the two projects have different origins and different goals, which results in different types of film. I am in no way making any comment about quality/which is better. There are many, many different types of films and documentaries and they all have their own pros and cons.
in other news... I have a camera and am going to make a documentary on esports... need money to quit my job and travel to all of the esports tournaments of 2013. kickstarter link coming soon.
estimated release date 2020... give or take some years.
holy cow this is almost as much procrastination/delay as gamma ray's live dvd.(took two years after filming was over for it to be released) hopefully it doesnt turn into prey/duke nukem forever production length
On February 26 2013 06:55 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: hopefully it doesnt turn into prey/duke nukem forever production length
Oh man, I think I would lose my mind if it came to that. I want this done as much as you guys do.
But seriously, I think people have really lost a sense of how long it takes to actually physically do this sort of process. A year for post-production on a documentary project this size is the norm, and not at all considered an exceptionally long time in the industry. It's just difficult to be the one watching and waiting and wanting to see the film, and I get that. The time feels longer when you're waiting to see it than it does when you're actually doing the work.
On February 26 2013 06:55 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: hopefully it doesnt turn into prey/duke nukem forever production length
Oh man, I think I would lose my mind if it came to that. I want this done as much as you guys do.
But seriously, I think people have really lost a sense of how long it takes to actually physically do this sort of process. A year for post-production on a documentary project this size is the norm, and not at all considered an exceptionally long time in the industry. It's just difficult to be the one watching and waiting and wanting to see the film, and I get that. The time feels longer when you're waiting to see it than it does when you're actually doing the work.
no worry, we understand that. It's coming out when it is ready. Don't read to much into what others say here, they like to attack everything that moves in the esport scene.
I'm more likely to put quick random updates there than anywhere else, because there's no character limit but it doesn't feel as "important" as a blog update on the website or a mailing list update so I can just add little things.
For example, yesterday I realized it'd been exactly two years since we actually started filming (after six months or so of pre-production work) and I also had a long phone meeting with our new editor about the latest cut and where we're going with it. It's really coming together, I'm really happy with what he's done so far.
Just wanted to let everybody know the latest about the film! Our editor delivered a rough cut to me earlier this month, and I sent him fourteen pages of notes, but overall it's looking really great and I'm really happy with hit. I wrote up more thoughts about it on the blog - http://goodgamemovie.com/news/rough-cut if you're interested!
There's a new interview about the film that you guys might like, we talk about where we are in the post production process and I mention a bit about how I've been working with our new editor, Henry. I was a guest on my friend Kevin's show, Picture Lock. Kevin also was one of our cameramen during MLG Columbus, which was one of our first big events that we went to for the film, so he was with us at the beginning and it was fun to chat with him.
My section starts at 15:35. I also spend some time talking about how I got into film and my previous short film, Catching Up.
On June 27 2013 03:13 Brya wrote: I just updated the blog for the film with a preview of the music, since the composer recently finished a draft of the complete score. Enjoy and let me know what you think! http://goodgamemovie.com/postproduction/soundtrack-sneak-peek
Really looking forward to see the final product since EG is such an iconic team in our scene.
On June 27 2013 03:19 Zygno wrote: Is there a release date?
I'm going to be nailing down a more concrete schedule in the coming months, there's a few balls up in the air right now that I have to see where they land first. But in general, we'll have some more solid information for people soon. But we are in the home stretch, I can tell you that much!
Honestly, at this point, I've stopped believing it will ever come out. The delays have been unacceptable. We're past the point where "we'll announce a more concrete schedule in the coming MONTHS(!!!!)" mean anything; only it being released will mean anything.
I'll be very happy to be wrong obviously, since I've paid good money for this documentary!
On June 27 2013 03:13 Brya wrote: I just updated the blog for the film with a preview of the music, since the composer recently finished a draft of the complete score. Enjoy and let me know what you think! http://goodgamemovie.com/postproduction/soundtrack-sneak-peek
this is like sons of starcraft. no one cares if you're "going to be nailing down a more concrete schedule in the coming months." i want to see this, but i don't see it happening.
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