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On September 25 2011 06:19 genius_man16 wrote:
HuK is the one who's been in Code S the longest, I don't really care what other results he's had. How MaNa or Kas is on the list is beyond me but whatever.
I find it funny how people say IdrA is on the list when he made it to the Ro8 of the GSL, and was in it for 3 straight seasons. The game may have been newer, but that's still WAY more than any other foreigner except HuK.
Thorzain is prob #3, SeleCT #4.
Notice how he makes Idra #2 purely based on success in the GSL, but leaves out Jinro entirely who has had more success than either Huk or Idra.
America, fuck yeah!
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It would be Thorzain HuK or Sen for sure.
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On September 26 2011 00:18 The Final Boss wrote:DongRaeGu just beat Mvp 2-0. The guys ZvT is incredible. For a non-Korean to do better against DRG than Mvp is pretty fricking incredible. Against a player that good it's difficult to catch him off guard and also to exploit the fact that he may have made a mistake. DongRaeGu just beat  LucifroN and Rain 2-0 each and made them look EZPZ. Taking 2 games off the guy demonstrates that you have incredible skills, and really impressed me. Plus, ThorZaIN's play against  Liquid`HerO and HuK proved that he has some of the best TvP in the world. You can say that he didn't play well, but it just makes you look silly, because DRG makes everyone who plays him look bad. However, DRG usually doesn't give up two games in a Bo5 against Terran players. ThorZaIN played great, saying otherwise makes you look like a fool.
If you actually watched the games in Dreamhack you would notice that really Thorzain was pretty badly outclassed but got very favourable spawns and managed to take two games. DRG looked the better player even in the games he lost.
I don't know why you're bringing up MVP. He beat DRG at MLG, he beat him in Team League both times making it look pretty one sided. Obviously if MVP plays DRG enough sooner or later he's going to lose, but when he did it was in by far the least important setting.
As for Thorzain's TvP. Basically Protoss is total shit right now, everyone beats Protoss especially Terran and Hero has bad PvT especially (you can't void ray all in every game). There is like thirty Terran's in Korea with better TvP than Thorzain. There's countless Terran's who just don't lose vs Protoss in Korea right now.
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On September 26 2011 00:12 Juanald wrote:
if you only read forums you might think don ragu is the best player since clide or fruit dealer but if you actually keep up with the scene youd notice players like EG.Machine and Drewbie are constantly seeded into group play with koreans like MVP MOON and BOXER at mlg, mOoNgLaDe have stayed #1 on the SEA server for MONTHS... why does the foreign community ignore its own stars?
moonglade is the best SEA player. compared to europeans, hes decent, but not good (0-2 strelok just yesterday).
Machine Drewbie play vs Koreans all the time - but they dont win any map??? oO
+ watch other tours, they are just not good losing to EU and NA tops all the time
Drewbie vs Europe
3 to 17 maps.
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On September 26 2011 02:30 Whitewing wrote:
DRG says it is ThorZaIN.
Cause he never met Stephano.
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Pretty much every Korean progamer is saying Thorzain.
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On September 26 2011 00:51 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 00:18 The Final Boss wrote:DongRaeGu just beat Mvp 2-0. The guys ZvT is incredible. For a non-Korean to do better against DRG than Mvp is pretty fricking incredible. Against a player that good it's difficult to catch him off guard and also to exploit the fact that he may have made a mistake. DongRaeGu just beat LucifroN and Rain 2-0 each and made them look EZPZ. Taking 2 games off the guy demonstrates that you have incredible skills, and really impressed me. Plus, ThorZaIN's play against Liquid`HerO and HuK proved that he has some of the best TvP in the world. You can say that he didn't play well, but it just makes you look silly, because DRG makes everyone who plays him look bad. However, DRG usually doesn't give up two games in a Bo5 against Terran players. ThorZaIN played great, saying otherwise makes you look like a fool. If you actually watched the games in Dreamhack you would notice that really Thorzain was pretty badly outclassed but got very favourable spawns and managed to take two games. DRG looked the better player even in the games he lost. I don't know why you're bringing up MVP. He beat DRG at MLG, he beat him in Team League both times making it look pretty one sided. Obviously if MVP plays DRG enough sooner or later he's going to lose, but when he did it was in by far the least important setting. As for Thorzain's TvP. Basically Protoss is total shit right now, everyone beats Protoss especially Terran and Hero has bad PvT especially (you can't void ray all in every game). There is like thirty Terran's in Korea with better TvP than Thorzain. There's countless Terran's who just don't lose vs Protoss in Korea right now.
They weren't significantly favorable spawns. Not to mention he almost took Drg out in game 5 despite getting cross positions. He just needed to take a third sooner and not lose all his shit to banes. I also disagree regarding the game on Antiga. Thorzain did a great job at holding out that game and dealing with the muta/ling harass. Hell, rain got completely destroyed in his games against Drg in a similar situation.
You also underestimate his TvP. I would think his TvP is quite formidable considering he beat MC with no lag handicaps, back when MC just won his 2nd gsl title and went on to win the Copenhagen game dropping only a single game while he was in Europe.
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Thorazain, Huk, and Dimaga come to mind first. I wonder if Sen's play is suffering due to him not playing against the best players right now.
Idra is not in the top 10, and I think you could argue he's not in the top 15 either. He seems more focused on excusing losses on imbalance or "bad" players beating him. He can't compete with Koreans or top EU players
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On September 26 2011 02:34 Vira wrote:Cause he never met Stephano.
who's Stephano?
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On September 26 2011 00:06 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote:On September 25 2011 23:25 Spicy Pepper wrote:
How many foreigners could be top 100 on KR ladder?
We know Huk can, so that's one. Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while. The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same. So when Naniwa, Sase and Thorzain get opponents even easier than the ones Huk is in a group with in Code S and proceed to lose to them (generally 2-0), what exactly does that say about them?
Please state which players Thorzain, SaSe and Naniwa has had in their group and lost to 0-2 but Huk has had in his Code S group and won against. Or did you just make that up?
Regardless, No need to take a way around it and bring in some third party (with some flawed logic of paper beat stone, and stone beat scissors, so paper must own scissors!!11).
Thorzain and Huk has faced each other several times. Twice in the past few days, at Dreamhack, in which Thorzain won convincingly and in the EG Masters Cup, where Thorzain also won, both were best of threes. As far as I know, they've faced each other three times in public and Thorzain has won each time.
As such, I take Thorzain for the stronger player than Huk, though they are quite close.
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Considering how well terran does right now, my vote is for Naniwa, he's playing almost perfectly in every game he plays, yet still loses alot cause of the weaker race atm. Granted, there are protosses who are having better results atm but the way to play protoss atm isnt favouring standard solid play.
Edit: Would be better if there was a poll for every race, cause it's pretty much impossible to judge wons playing better when there are 2 different races.
Terran: Thorzain
Zerg: Stephano
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Lol at the Idra hate in the poll..
Right now Thorzain is my pick, with Huk very close in second place.
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i voted for Stephano.
He is obviously the best foreigner Zerg atm.
Mana is obviously the best foreigner Protoss atm.
Thorzain is obviously the best terran atm.
Who doesn't deserve to be on the list: you could argue for everybody but i picked Select, he just hasn't won much stuff compared to the others and shows weak games more often.
Who do you miss: many could be put on there, but i voted for white-ra, he has won several tournaments and showed very impressive games.
Seein mana with only 2% of votes and Sen in front of IdrA and Stephano makes me wonder how many people actually voted based on current skill and performance and how many just voted due to sympathy.
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HuK is in Code S, noone else is, 'nuff said.
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oh seems like I forgot huk, so its probably huk being best protoss and mana being 2nd best.
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MKP says Sase  Tho I think he added "in practice"...
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IMO
Terran: Thorzain
Protoss: Sase, Huk, Naniwa very close will probably be more clear after the "protoss depression"
Zerg: Stephano
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On September 26 2011 06:22 Ai.Cola wrote:
i voted for Stephano.
He is obviously the best foreigner Zerg atm.
Mana is obviously the best foreigner Protoss atm.
Thorzain is obviously the best terran atm.
Who doesn't deserve to be on the list: you could argue for everybody but i picked Select, he just hasn't won much stuff compared to the others and shows weak games more often.
Who do you miss: many could be put on there, but i voted for white-ra, he has won several tournaments and showed very impressive games.
Seein mana with only 2% of votes and Sen in front of IdrA and Stephano makes me wonder how many people actually voted based on current skill and performance and how many just voted due to sympathy.
Is this a sarcasm post? You vote for Stepahno due to his "obvious" results? Sen and Idra actually went to events with strong competition and placed high. These are tournaments where Koreans (real pros) show up to take our money. Even Select was taken down only by Koreans in the last MLG.
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Acouple of months ago 95% would have said Jinro, now he isent even on the list
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