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~Maverick~
Profile Joined July 2010
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 15:01:50
September 25 2011 15:00 GMT
#801
Terran: ThorZain
Protoss: Mana/HuK
Zerg: Stephano/Nerchio/Sen
#roadto5kmmr
sDaLi
Profile Joined June 2011
30 Posts
September 25 2011 15:00 GMT
#802
On September 25 2011 23:38 minhbq299 wrote:
Terran: Thorzain
Protoss: Huk
Zerg: Stephano

same :D

Stephano is so good now
and if thorzain would train more he could be even better
Maru, SOS, Life ♥ /I dont do drugs, I am drugs
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
September 25 2011 15:06 GMT
#803
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 23:25 Spicy Pepper wrote:
How many foreigners could be top 100 on KR ladder?

We know Huk can, so that's one.

Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while.

The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same.



So when Naniwa, Sase and Thorzain get opponents even easier than the ones Huk is in a group with in Code S and proceed to lose to them (generally 2-0), what exactly does that say about them?
Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada648 Posts
September 25 2011 15:08 GMT
#804
So... Huk gets a american/canadian flag but Select get only an American one?

Lets be clear, Huk is Canadian and Select is Korean.

Also, even if we all hate on Major he should be on that list, he IS damn good.
Juanald
Profile Joined February 2011
United States354 Posts
September 25 2011 15:12 GMT
#805
if you only read forums you might think don ragu is the best player since clide or fruit dealer but if you actually keep up with the scene youd notice players like EG.Machine and Drewbie are constantly seeded into group play with koreans like MVP MOON and BOXER at mlg, mOoNgLaDe have stayed #1 on the SEA server for MONTHS... why does the foreign community ignore its own stars?
"hey it could happen!" ~ angels n the outfield
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 25 2011 15:14 GMT
#806
On September 26 2011 00:12 Juanald wrote:
if you only read forums you might think don ragu is the best player since clide or fruit dealer but if you actually keep up with the scene youd notice players like EG.Machine and Drewbie are constantly seeded into group play with koreans like MVP MOON and BOXER at mlg, mOoNgLaDe have stayed #1 on the SEA server for MONTHS... why does the foreign community ignore its own stars?

You're my favorite troll, Machine and Drewbie hwaiting!
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
September 25 2011 15:15 GMT
#807
You know the MLG ranking seed system is SHITTY, so let's be clear, players like Machine or Incontrol being in groups with the best korean doesn't make them the best foreigners.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
September 25 2011 15:17 GMT
#808
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 23:25 Spicy Pepper wrote:
How many foreigners could be top 100 on KR ladder?

We know Huk can, so that's one.

Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while.

The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same.


Huk is smart and doing the right thing. You can always face those tougher players later in the tourney. Nestea is also one of top players who seems to recognize this.
tehplank
Profile Joined October 2010
977 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-25 15:18:43
September 25 2011 15:17 GMT
#809
At the moment, I think it's Thorzain at the top with HuK, MaNa and Stephano occupying the next spots. MajOr is capable of taking the title though now that he's in Korea with the best of the best.
Minatozaki Sana / Hirai Momo / Myoui Mina / Yoo Jeongyeon / Zhou Tzuyu / Im Nayeon / Son Chaeyoung / Kim Dahyun / Park Jihyo
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 25 2011 15:18 GMT
#810
On September 25 2011 14:36 DeaTH.1914 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 14:08 ForlornHope wrote:
On September 25 2011 06:19 genius_man16 wrote:
HuK is the one who's been in Code S the longest, I don't really care what other results he's had. How MaNa or Kas is on the list is beyond me but whatever.

I find it funny how people say IdrA is on the list when he made it to the Ro8 of the GSL, and was in it for 3 straight seasons. The game may have been newer, but that's still WAY more than any other foreigner except HuK.

Thorzain is prob #3, SeleCT #4.


you idiotic bastard

User was temp banned for this post.


I don't understand why your judgement is so harsh. What he stated is personally what I believe to be true, although it is debatable as everyone on that list is capable of posting results and taking games off of each other.

I don't want to turn this into a balance thread, but I personally couldn't put a Terran at the top of the list as the race is just simply better than the other two.
.

What you said is such a joke. You say you don't want to turn this into a balance thread, and then you make a blatant remark about imbalance. Let's turn this into a balance thread: overall, this game is balanced. Isn't that nice?

Plus, just because a person plays a race doesn't mean that they don't have incredible mechanical skills or game sense especially since the game is constantly changing. If I had to say the best player in the world, I would say it is IMMvp because from his recent play he has proven that he has mastered all three match-ups to the point where I think that he could beat any other player. If you asked me a couple months ago, I would have said NesTea, because Mvp's TvP was fairly weak. However, despite Terran getting nerfed since then and Protoss getting buffed, he has managed to get his TvP into better shape.

So you can go on and on and on about how ThorZaIN or Mvp only win as much as they do because they play Terran (the imba race /sarcasm ), but with the talent that both of those players possess, had they played Protoss or Zerg from the start, I'm sure they would have done just as well.

Plus, I think that a lot of the causation for the "imbalance" is that a vast majority of Korean players chose to play Terran and therefore in the StarCraft Mecca of Korea, the Terran metagame is changing a lot more quickly than the Protoss or Zerg one is. But honestly, other than Korean Terrans, you don't really see Terran domination anywhere else in the world. In the USA I think I see more Ps and Zs doing well than I see Ts; in Europe there are a lot of great Ps whom I see consistently do well (MaNa, White-Ra, NaNiwa, ect.) and the number of Ts who are consistently doing as well is around the same number and the amount of Zs is pretty close to.

So I guess in a sense there is a certain amount of "imbalance"; but it's not in game balance, it's an off-balance of the number of Koreans playing Terran and really getting exposure to the number of Protoss and Zerg players in Korea doing the same.
On September 25 2011 16:47 Elean wrote:
I don't understand people giving DH finals DRG vs Thorzain as example to show how good Thorain is.

In game 2, Thorzain did game ending damage with an elevator play that caught DRG off guard. It's just a build order timing, that worked great this time. But it's not a demonstration of impressive skills. Watching the rest of the game, Thorzain looked really bad.

In game 4, DRG would have crushed Thorzain if he hadn't forgotten banneling speed.

So yeah, Thorzain can take games out of DRG if he is lucky enough to catch him off guard or to have DRG make a huge mistake.

Even if the score doesn't show it, I think that in this serie Thorzain was really below the korean terrans level.

DongRaeGu just beat Mvp 2-0. The guys ZvT is incredible. For a non-Korean to do better against DRG than Mvp is pretty fricking incredible. Against a player that good it's difficult to catch him off guard and also to exploit the fact that he may have made a mistake. DongRaeGu just beat (T)LucifroN and (T)Rain 2-0 each and made them look EZPZ. Taking 2 games off the guy demonstrates that you have incredible skills, and really impressed me. Plus, ThorZaIN's play against (P)Liquid`HerO and (P)HuK proved that he has some of the best TvP in the world. You can say that he didn't play well, but it just makes you look silly, because DRG makes everyone who plays him look bad. However, DRG usually doesn't give up two games in a Bo5 against Terran players. ThorZaIN played great, saying otherwise makes you look like a fool.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
September 25 2011 15:20 GMT
#811
Well I guess I'll list my top 3 each race since I'm bored:

T: Tzain/Select/Kaz
Z: Sen/Stephano/Ret
P: HuK/Naniwa/Mana
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 25 2011 15:21 GMT
#812
I never posted my top 3, so here it goes:
T: ThorZaIN
P: HuK
Z: Sen/Dimaga (such a tough call because they're both so good).
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
September 25 2011 15:22 GMT
#813
Thor to the Zain!!!!!!
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
September 25 2011 15:25 GMT
#814
T ThorZain MajOr SeleCT
Z Sen Stephano Nerchio
P Naniwa HuK MaNa
3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
September 25 2011 15:27 GMT
#815
T Thorzain Demuslim MajOr
Z Sen Idra Stephano
P HuK MaNa Socke
Hello Sir, do you have a minute for atheism?
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
September 25 2011 15:32 GMT
#816
Thorzain.

I'm very surprised by the outcome of this poll so far though. I was expecting more people to go "aJsfjsgjbgjbsgd STEPHANO!!!! just look at his insane ladder run!!!asdf"
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
September 25 2011 15:32 GMT
#817
I'm surprised Thorzain beat Huk in a poll. I wonder what the results would be like if the poll had been made the day after Huk won his group in GSL code S, rather than the day after Thorzain gets to the finals of Dreamhack.

I bet it would look very different, and Stephano is proof. He's only had some recent success beating koreans, never been successful in MLG or something like that, just some online tournaments.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
September 25 2011 15:33 GMT
#818
On September 26 2011 00:15 Yaki wrote:
You know the MLG ranking seed system is SHITTY, so let's be clear, players like Machine or Incontrol being in groups with the best korean doesn't make them the best foreigners.


How is that shitty? The whole point of a seed system is to match strong players with less able opponents, so that the best players are likely to meet in the finals. You ever notice how Nadal and Federer never play each other in the first round? Same thing.
Kewlots
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia534 Posts
September 25 2011 15:34 GMT
#819
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2011 23:25 Spicy Pepper wrote:
How many foreigners could be top 100 on KR ladder?

We know Huk can, so that's one.

Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while.

The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same.


haha huk can compete with the best wake up ffs
gl hf gg
Lunas
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 25 2011 15:35 GMT
#820
On September 26 2011 00:33 bardtown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 00:15 Yaki wrote:
You know the MLG ranking seed system is SHITTY, so let's be clear, players like Machine or Incontrol being in groups with the best korean doesn't make them the best foreigners.


How is that shitty? The whole point of a seed system is to match strong players with less able opponents, so that the best players are likely to meet in the finals. You ever notice how Nadal and Federer never play each other in the first round? Same thing.


All I got to say if Incontrol is one the best the foreign scene got to offer then we are really feckign screwed
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