EPTProtoss: Mana/HuK
Zerg: Stephano/Nerchio/Sen
[Poll] Best Foreigner? - Page 41
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~Maverick~
United States234 Posts
Protoss: Mana/HuK Zerg: Stephano/Nerchio/Sen | ||
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sDaLi
30 Posts
On September 25 2011 23:38 minhbq299 wrote: Terran: Thorzain Protoss: Huk Zerg: Stephano same :D Stephano is so good now and if thorzain would train more he could be even better | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote: Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while. The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same. So when Naniwa, Sase and Thorzain get opponents even easier than the ones Huk is in a group with in Code S and proceed to lose to them (generally 2-0), what exactly does that say about them? | ||
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Gofarman
Canada646 Posts
Lets be clear, Huk is Canadian and Select is Korean. Also, even if we all hate on Major he should be on that list, he IS damn good. | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On September 26 2011 00:12 Juanald wrote: if you only read forums you might think don ragu is the best player since clide or fruit dealer but if you actually keep up with the scene youd notice players like EG.Machine and Drewbie are constantly seeded into group play with koreans like MVP MOON and BOXER at mlg, mOoNgLaDe have stayed #1 on the SEA server for MONTHS... why does the foreign community ignore its own stars? You're my favorite troll, Machine and Drewbie hwaiting! | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote: Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while. The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same. Huk is smart and doing the right thing. You can always face those tougher players later in the tourney. Nestea is also one of top players who seems to recognize this. | ||
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tehplank
977 Posts
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:36 DeaTH.1914 wrote: I don't understand why your judgement is so harsh. What he stated is personally what I believe to be true, although it is debatable as everyone on that list is capable of posting results and taking games off of each other. I don't want to turn this into a balance thread, but I personally couldn't put a Terran at the top of the list as the race is just simply better than the other two. . What you said is such a joke. You say you don't want to turn this into a balance thread, and then you make a blatant remark about imbalance. Let's turn this into a balance thread: overall, this game is balanced. Isn't that nice? Plus, just because a person plays a race doesn't mean that they don't have incredible mechanical skills or game sense especially since the game is constantly changing. If I had to say the best player in the world, I would say it is IMMvp because from his recent play he has proven that he has mastered all three match-ups to the point where I think that he could beat any other player. If you asked me a couple months ago, I would have said NesTea, because Mvp's TvP was fairly weak. However, despite Terran getting nerfed since then and Protoss getting buffed, he has managed to get his TvP into better shape. So you can go on and on and on about how ThorZaIN or Mvp only win as much as they do because they play Terran (the imba race /sarcasm  ), but with the talent that both of those players possess, had they played Protoss or Zerg from the start, I'm sure they would have done just as well. Plus, I think that a lot of the causation for the "imbalance" is that a vast majority of Korean players chose to play Terran and therefore in the StarCraft Mecca of Korea, the Terran metagame is changing a lot more quickly than the Protoss or Zerg one is. But honestly, other than Korean Terrans, you don't really see Terran domination anywhere else in the world. In the USA I think I see more Ps and Zs doing well than I see Ts; in Europe there are a lot of great Ps whom I see consistently do well (MaNa, White-Ra, NaNiwa, ect.) and the number of Ts who are consistently doing as well is around the same number and the amount of Zs is pretty close to. So I guess in a sense there is a certain amount of "imbalance"; but it's not in game balance, it's an off-balance of the number of Koreans playing Terran and really getting exposure to the number of Protoss and Zerg players in Korea doing the same. On September 25 2011 16:47 Elean wrote: I don't understand people giving DH finals DRG vs Thorzain as example to show how good Thorain is. In game 2, Thorzain did game ending damage with an elevator play that caught DRG off guard. It's just a build order timing, that worked great this time. But it's not a demonstration of impressive skills. Watching the rest of the game, Thorzain looked really bad. In game 4, DRG would have crushed Thorzain if he hadn't forgotten banneling speed. So yeah, Thorzain can take games out of DRG if he is lucky enough to catch him off guard or to have DRG make a huge mistake. Even if the score doesn't show it, I think that in this serie Thorzain was really below the korean terrans level. DongRaeGu just beat Mvp 2-0. The guys ZvT is incredible. For a non-Korean to do better against DRG than Mvp is pretty fricking incredible. Against a player that good it's difficult to catch him off guard and also to exploit the fact that he may have made a mistake. DongRaeGu just beat  LucifroN and Rain 2-0 each and made them look EZPZ. Taking 2 games off the guy demonstrates that you have incredible skills, and really impressed me. Plus, ThorZaIN's play against  Liquid`HerO and HuK proved that he has some of the best TvP in the world. You can say that he didn't play well, but it just makes you look silly, because DRG makes everyone who plays him look bad. However, DRG usually doesn't give up two games in a Bo5 against Terran players. ThorZaIN played great, saying otherwise makes you look like a fool. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
T: Tzain/Select/Kaz Z: Sen/Stephano/Ret P: HuK/Naniwa/Mana | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
T: ThorZaIN P: HuK Z: Sen/Dimaga (such a tough call because they're both so good). | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
Z Sen Stephano Nerchio P Naniwa HuK MaNa | ||
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3DGlaDOS
Germany607 Posts
Z Sen Idra Stephano P HuK MaNa Socke | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
I'm very surprised by the outcome of this poll so far though. I was expecting more people to go "aJsfjsgjbgjbsgd STEPHANO!!!! just look at his insane ladder run!!!asdf" | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
I bet it would look very different, and Stephano is proof. He's only had some recent success beating koreans, never been successful in MLG or something like that, just some online tournaments. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On September 26 2011 00:15 Yaki wrote: You know the MLG ranking seed system is SHITTY, so let's be clear, players like Machine or Incontrol being in groups with the best korean doesn't make them the best foreigners. How is that shitty? The whole point of a seed system is to match strong players with less able opponents, so that the best players are likely to meet in the finals. You ever notice how Nadal and Federer never play each other in the first round? Same thing. | ||
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Kewlots
Australia534 Posts
On September 26 2011 00:00 Paladia wrote: Only those who live in Korea, naturally. For example SaSe, he was even in the top10 for a while. The main reason Huk is still in Code S is that most top players there pick the hardest opponents when it comes to group selection, to prove their worth and give the fans great games. Huk on the other hand, always picks the easiest possible opponents in order to have a chance to linger for another season. Nothing wrong with that though, if I wasn't able to compete at the level of the best I would likely do the same. haha huk can compete with the best wake up ffs | ||
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Lunas
253 Posts
On September 26 2011 00:33 bardtown wrote: How is that shitty? The whole point of a seed system is to match strong players with less able opponents, so that the best players are likely to meet in the finals. You ever notice how Nadal and Federer never play each other in the first round? Same thing. All I got to say if Incontrol is one the best the foreign scene got to offer then we are really feckign screwed | ||
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