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crms
United States11933 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:18 SniXSniPe wrote: If you are going to reference GSL, at least make an effort to note the race stats for Code A: 12 P 12 Z 8 T. yeah all the previous code S P/Z got kicked out to code A by terrans.  | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:21 Soma.bokforlag wrote: matchmaking doesnt mean that a platinum terran gets matched against diamond zerg and toss and gold terran. if terran is OP this would show even in stats from lower leagues this is of course in the case that balance works the same across leagues, which it doesnt. it is extremely hard for blizzard to balance the game on all levels. what do you do if its balanced for masters and lower? patch the game just for GM and e-sports? Misconception. What it really means to "balance for the highest level of play" is that the strongest play must be balanced, but this should automatically scale down to all levels because skill levels are relative. If it's balanced for players that have skill levels of 150, then it should automatically ensure balance for skill level 5. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? Maybe they are already preparing a next patch, but honestly it still makes no sense, especially when we don't have time frame in which they were collected and they JUST released a patch which is bound to shuffle them around a bit. Or they want to make feedback on those numbers, though there's pretty loud "fix toss" coming from TL | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:18 SniXSniPe wrote: If you are going to reference GSL, at least make an effort to note the race stats for Code A: 12 P 12 Z 8 T. Not anymore. Naniwa, MC, Tassadar, HerO, Weekend, Shiny, Alicia, Trickster, Sase all lost. Falling out of Code A is Naniwa, MC, Tassadar, Weekend, Shinystar, Alicia, Trickster and Sase. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? my thoughts exactly, seems as if they're looking for an excuse to say the game is balanced I play terran and I still think that there are some incredibly unbalanced parts of the game | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:13 Teejing wrote: So just watch gsl code s player list: 20 T , 7 Z and 5 P Concluding we can say that Terran dominates at the highest skill level right now. I am not saying for blizzard to nerf the shit out of terran now, this is a another topic, BUT those BULLSHIT numbers from blizzard presented here are a LIE. SHAME ON YOU BLIZZARD Here's a thought. Since there are only 50 or 60 players that have a chance to be Code S in the GSL, couldn't it just be that the better players happened to pick terran? I'd rather look at the HUGE sample sizes that Blizzard provides than a 32 man tournament. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I'm not surprised about lower levels inflating Protoss winrates against terran though, in the absence of good kiting, splitting and multitasking and army, Colossus/zealots do FAR more damage than against better players. There is definitely something the Korean Terrans know PvT that the European and American don't though...Ladder definitely shows some trends but I'd hate to think what happens in Korea if we could see just Korean GM. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? Because Blizz can't stop doing things that makes their community go "lol...." | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? I think it's because balance issues are about the most significant outcry of the community in RTS gaming. While these numbers are basically nonsensical they make balance (to a casual viewer) seem pretty damn good. These numbers alleviate some of the mass hysteria regarding balance for people who take everything blizzard say as gospel (a lot of fucking people). Blizzard throws out nice looking balanced numbers and 99% think, wow the game is pretty balanced, 1% (TL nerds, redditors etc.,) are left scratching their head with the same balance concerns they've always had. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? They want to interact with the community and try to establish some rationale behind whatever balance changes they made for 1.4, and make going into the future. (I'm guessing) | ||
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? I could be wrong, but as far as I can tell, there's an increasing unrest in online communities related to balance. That recent TL article which discusses Protoss balance (and MC's fall from GSL) springs to mind. The official forums are also full of balance complaints. I'd say that this is a cautious PR move by Blizzard. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:25 Zorkmid wrote: Here's a thought. Since there are only 50 or 60 players that have a chance to be Code S in the GSL, couldn't it just be that the better players happened to pick terran? I'd rather look at the HUGE sample sizes that Blizzard provides than a 32 man tournament. What defines "better players?" Ones with a better win ratio? Those players are all high level players, but it's clear that Terran have tools to deal with pretty much any situation, and for these tools there is a lower barrier to acquisition for them compared to Protoss and Zerg because of the flexibility of Terran's early units: you can basically do anything you like and be safe behind pure marine (early pressure, saves gas) or mm (stronger early pressure, takes a bit of gas) | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Edit: master and grandmaster, this numbers are near to useless :/ | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:27 Condor Hero wrote: Because Blizz can't stop doing things that makes their community go "lol...." Or maybe they genuinely feel like they want to give the community some insight given the heightened amount of balance whine lately. They have done this before, it seems to me they just keep tabs on the community because whenever they post these numbers is when ever there is a lot of crying about balance within the community (more than usual) | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
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Hikari
1914 Posts
On September 23 2011 02:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm kind of interested why Blizzard wants us to know this. As far as I know, there's no pressure on them to release these numbers. No one is waiting on them. And no one in the community is going to use them for anything. Blizzard simply wants us to know them... why? Probably the demand of them are high: they are most likely going to release the numbers during balance discussions during the upcoming blizzcon anyway. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
Sadly, this is the 1st season I didn't buy a pass because TvT all-day is boring. | ||
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