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SlimeBagly
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 20:05:13
September 15 2011 19:59 GMT
#261
Definitely prefer being able to actually use NP on useful units than get that extra range. That being said, I think that mothership should be immune.
mutalisks are awesome!
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
September 15 2011 20:00 GMT
#262
Now this is something I can get behind. As a former-random-now-toss-lowly-diamond-leaguer, I was a bit put off by the former change. I do think that Z are right in advocating that toss use more templar, but as a templar user who is trying to get his mechanics up to par, I find that while feedback hard counters the infestor, the HT itself (due to its slowness) is not a hard counter.

This gives the toss more options (I realize plenty of pro toss still succeed in killing infestors with 9-range neural).
Mercurial#1193
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 15 2011 20:00 GMT
#263
Sounds fair. 9 Range is silly and so hard to stop if they have there whole army infront of the INfesters...
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Siphonn
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States298 Posts
September 15 2011 20:00 GMT
#264
I like this change alot better than the oringinal one, and this is coming from a protoss. I feel like getting rid of NP on collosi would be much more drastic and game changing than this.
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
September 15 2011 20:00 GMT
#265
On September 16 2011 04:59 SlimeBagly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.


Someday, someone's gonna say "this is my last post in this thread," and then not post in the thread anymore.

I edited it out because I had a few more people I wanted to respond to
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
September 15 2011 20:01 GMT
#266
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??

MC is the best Protoss player in the world and he loses to hydra/ling/roach and muta/ling. If something works against the best player of their race in the world, it is viable. Therefore, you are wrong.
Sueco
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden283 Posts
September 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#267
Well, good thing is, now Nestea and Losira will have to stop abusing NP spam to win every tournament they enter. I was getting sick of seeing NP consistently own armies with little effort from the Zerg side. Protoss and terran clearly lacked units with enough range to kill infestors. I think we will begin to see NP being used at a level that blizzard intended.

That is, never.
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
September 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#268
On September 16 2011 05:01 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??

MC is the best Protoss player in the world and he loses to hydra/ling/roach and muta/ling. If something works against the best player of their race in the world, it is viable. Therefore, you are wrong.

how short-sighted
MageWarden
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
September 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#269
I didnt think NP needed a change... but i like i can still have a chance vs mech. Also u can NP with flanking armies.
GG WP NO RE
worldsnap
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada222 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 20:03:06
September 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#270
I haven't been watching all of the latest GSL games, but I really don't remember seeing a lot of ZvX where someone built >10 infestors and completely shut down someones entire army with fungals. Infestors are certainly used, but not exclusively as a "counter to everything".

I think this whole "Fungal growth rapes your whole army and you can't do anything" story is maybe a bit blown out of proportion. Maybe HAVING 15 infestors when your opponent is all bio/gateway would be really annoying for the T/P, but this situation really just doesn't come up all that often, at least in pro play.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 20:04:01
September 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#271
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??


You mean there are just no good protoss players whatsoever in the world, since none of them can beat Nestea or Losira who don't even use infestors, let alone neural parasite. You act like protoss and terrans only lose because they aren't 100% mechanically perfect with map hacks, but apparently if you play "perfectly" assuming Nestea and Losira do, you don't need neural parasite against any protoss player in the world, so why are you whining so much?
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#272
By the way, as a T player I'm rather glad they reverted this change because the last thing I wanted was another stupid T all in being unstoppable by half the races in the game.
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 20:04:03
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#273
On September 16 2011 05:02 Sueco wrote:
Well, good thing is, now Nestea and Losira will have to stop abusing NP spam to win every tournament they enter. I was getting sick of seeing NP consistently own armies with little effort from the Zerg side. Protoss and terran clearly lacked units with enough range to kill infestors. I think we will begin to see NP being used at a level that blizzard intended.

That is, never.



It's not like if you could EMP, feedback, snipe with colossus, snipe with blink stalkers, focus with tanks, etc etc



oh wait
MageWarden
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#274
On September 16 2011 05:02 Sueco wrote:
Well, good thing is, now Nestea and Losira will have to stop abusing NP spam to win every tournament they enter. I was getting sick of seeing NP consistently own armies with little effort from the Zerg side. Protoss and terran clearly lacked units with enough range to kill infestors. I think we will begin to see NP being used at a level that blizzard intended.

That is, never.

What games are you watching? And when did tanks or collosi not have range 13 and 9 respectively?
GG WP NO RE
tkRage
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
225 Posts
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#275
On September 16 2011 05:02 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??


You mean there are just no good protoss players whatsoever in the world, since none of them can beat Nestea or Losira who don't even use infestors, let alone neural parasite.

so why again are we nerfing neural? because shitty players can't deal with it effectively? great balance policy
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#276
I think Blizzard had in mind that with burrow infestors can hope to come within range 7 before taking damage. I like the change, it adds more micro possibilities.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#277
On September 16 2011 05:02 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 05:01 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??

MC is the best Protoss player in the world and he loses to hydra/ling/roach and muta/ling. If something works against the best player of their race in the world, it is viable. Therefore, you are wrong.

how short-sighted

Let me guess, you think once an *actual* good Protoss player comes along (because Huk/MC etc aren't good), those compositions won't work. Am I right?
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
September 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#278
Great change, will improve our micro a lot in both sides.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
September 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#279
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??



Yeah and all zerg players are skill personified,and only lose due to race imbalance, while all toss players are bad. Right? Right?

I dont get how this kind of shitty posting and trolling is going about unchecked on the forum. You honestly deserve to be banned till you learn to respect the skill levels of players from other races as well.
Envy fan since NTH.
worldsnap
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada222 Posts
September 15 2011 20:04 GMT
#280
On September 16 2011 05:02 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:59 tkRage wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:57 Yaotzin wrote:
On September 16 2011 04:56 tkRage wrote:
Look people. The bottom line is that there aren't any effective unit compositions that don't include infestors. We've tried them. All of 'em. Name a unit comp that Zerg hasn't tried. Until the other compositions become viable, you can't nerf infestor to the ground like this or it destroys the balance of the game.

That's my last post here.

Nestea/Losira rape Protoss players in their sleep while making zero infestors.

Good change - shouldn't make mech OP v Z or anything but helps against Toss which obviously needs it.

There are no good Korean protoss players other than MC who is not in top shape and only won his two GSLs through absurdly greedy builds that were unpunished like 1gate nexus to colossus tech without adding more gates.

nestea losira zvz finals only happened because neither of them faced a good terran player in the entire season; byun and ensnare??


You mean there are just no good protoss players whatsoever in the world, since none of them can beat Nestea or Losira who don't even use infestors, let alone neural parasite.


This is a really good point; I've never seen Nestea or Losira build 15 infestors and stun lock someones entire army. I don't think this strategy is really a "counter to everything" like people say it is.
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