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On September 08 2011 13:38 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:24 pdd wrote:On September 08 2011 13:09 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On September 08 2011 13:01 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. So there's a lot of hate for SC2 players bashing on SCBW, but how come SCBW players can say ignorant things about SC2? Bro he ain't hating on SC2. He's just stating the fact (fact = truth) that engagements last a few seconds and the game is over. It is indeed nonsense at times. But that said, SCII is evolving, there are lots more minor engagements happening all over the map. I'd like to see Protoss use more storm drop - how come no one has done it consistently??? SC:BW pros are probably like 'wtf these kids up to?'. At least we are seeing gosu zergs like SlayerSCoca doing baneling drops on mineral lines. total baller move While it's not up to par in terms of average length of an engagement of BW, SC2 has come a lot further from its old days. There's a lot more harassment and there're also a lot of long battles. People have stop dying to one battle... most games these days tend to be long drawn out battles. And come on, it's not as if BW doesn't have its short games ending after 1 battle. I'm not being ignorant. I know people try alot harassing and backstabing in SC2. But its less effective overall. Reason: 1. Chronoboost, larva injection and mules makes worker harassing pointless. If you have three bases you barely feel any damage. (Of course if you don't lose your whole worker line and expansion itself) 2. Its better to concentrate on making stronger ball and finish the game in one blow. Because there is nothing to buy time after you lose one battle. Except maybe siege tanks. Fungal sucks in that sense. Psi-storms are not option anymore.
1. Chronoboosting your nexus means having less army production. Mules means less scans=gg to DT/Burrowed banelings/infestors/cloak ghosts/banshees. Enemies can focus down queens.
2. Mutalisks, siege tanks, hellions, drops, banshees, zerglings, baneling mines, DTs... seriously try actually watching SC2
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GSL's format is fine . There are more talented and skilled RTS player in korea playing terran , maybe because it's the only race that feels complete , because blizzard made it that way so they could sell their overpriced expansions later . Since the only race that is complete is terran hence TvT is the best MU in the game . If you don't feel that way you shouldn't whine all the time about it , because it's not GOMs fault . The current GSL format is the best so far to ensure that the absolutely best players in the world play in code S .
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On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
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He said it wrong, but I think he's right.
Too many TvT's, and T's in general.
A couple of tournaments ago, they stabilized the Code S lineup by making it so only the bottom placer of the group fell out to up and downs. They did it at a bad time: there were so many Terrans for whatever reason. It is thus harder now for the T dominated composition of S to change.
Even assuming that the game were completely balanced, then Terran would continue to have majority representation in Code S. The only way this can change is if Terran becomes the WEAKEST race, so Terrans start dropping like flies. But that's not fair.
Another solution is to let the bottom two of the group go to up and downs. That may be more fair.
In ANY case, it's not the players, it's the race, IMO.
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On September 08 2011 13:36 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:33 Rabiator wrote:On September 08 2011 13:28 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:27 Soulish wrote:
GSL isn't as exciting to watch as MLG because the crowds are smaller and less enthusiastic Have you ever been to the GSL? Please show evidence that what you're saying is fact. I dont know which one to prefer ... the Korean shy girls turning away because the camera is on them OR the western idiots who start to behave really stupid once they notice the camera is on them (maybe even actively going to just that spot the "crowd cam" shows to be the cavemen they are). Personally I lean slightly towards the first, because we should have evolved away from the second one. Heaven forbid, people actually get excited when they are on the camera. STOP HAVING FUN.
"Oh look, we are on camera ... lets behave like idiots ... "
Awesome concept and we dont have enough idiots on TV already (BigBrother, casting shows, "fake real life" shows, soap operas, childrens science shows, Paris Hilton & Co.(society idiots who are famous for being famous and not for something useful for humanity), ...). Its nothing special to be on TV and if you want to waste your 15 minutes of fame for behaving like a chimp go ahead.
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Players have way too much time to prepare for a match, it just takes away the inspiration and adaptation in the matches, since they know mostly what their opponent likes doing/can do. Huk vs MVP set1 was not an interesting match, just a guy who did his research properly and build order win. Not inspiring or fun.
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On September 08 2011 13:30 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:20 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:10 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:59 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. but im sure ggplay and iris both practiced a lot too >_> and i don tthink they were aiming to make mistakes either I have nothing against practicing or making less mistake. my point is that sc2 lacks something which i tried to explain in my post. On September 08 2011 13:01 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. So there's a lot of hate for SC2 players bashing on SCBW, but how come SCBW players can say ignorant things about SC2? Please leave scbw alone and focus on my point. That was just an example. give me a fucking break. there is obviously SCBW fanboyism in your post, how can I ignore it? SC2 is one year old. Being a fan of SCBW is great and all, but it doesn't give you automatic clairvoyance in SC2. You make it sound like this will all SC2 will ever be, despite of its young age. if you like something more than another that doesn't make you fanboy, does it? I already regret I mentioned bw here. "SC2 is one year old" is lame excuse. I bet after 8 year fans will cry "look, scbw evolved 10 years, just give us 1 more year". But I hardly believe sc2 will live that long. hope I'm wrong.
How on earth is that a lame excuse?? Why is it so hard to believe that the game is still being explored and refined when BW is still changing after more than 10 years?
I'll take that bet because the fact that SC2 would be around in 8 years means you're completely wrong. With two expansions to go you're kidding yourself if you think SC2 is going away anytime soon.
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GSL is still the only thing i watch. I'll stay up for it, but i won't make a major effort to watch MLG (even though its a fantastic event) because without being a part of the crowd atmosphere its really just a whole lot of lower level games. I'd love to go live but i can't.
I've said this before, and maintain that Code S is too hard to fall out of. Two players from every pool should be in up/down matches, not one. It is revolting to me that you can win a single game and retain your code S spot for the next season.
If i accept the notion that GSL, or Code S in partucular is getting boring, then i am very quick to point to this problem of stagnant player pool. I love that they've giving the MLG Code S spot, and the Code A winner auto entry. But i would like to see a greater turnover of players and having bottom 2 go into up/downs i feel would be good. You could even start them up 1 game if you feel you have to if they finished third in their group or whatever. But at the moment i don't feel the system is fluid enough in ensuring that the cream rises to the top.
Every other issue is purely balance related. Whether its players unable to overcome specific builds, or just too many terran players. I do find this to be a problem. I enjoy TvT, but my favourite 3 match ups are all non-mirror. They're just inherently more interesting. Core to the game of SC2 is the fact there's 3 races. That's so important. There is only so many Bru Frame Herrions i can handle in a given week. It's oversaturation in the same way that seeing the same underperforming players still in Code S is boring.
MLG has this problem too. There's a few people who are still in the championship pools or whatever they're called because the system favours history rather than current performance. Its boring seeing the same people get smashed every season of GSL or every MLG event and still not lose their coveted spots. It's very sad when the open bracket has more players in it i want to see than the pools.
But overall i stil love my GSL. I've watched so much SC2 in the past year that i feel in general i need to cut back a bit. So i focus more and more on the players i want to see play. I'm so happy guys like DRG and Leenock are now Code S. I'm probably more excited for the next Code S season than ever before, despite the most recent code A demotion. Very sad about that.
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To be quite honest I don't watch GSL as much as I used to either, but here is why.
IPL, KOTH.
Both these alone offer koreans now and good high level play, while IPL rebroadcasts a lot and at first I did NOT like that they did. I grew to find out "Wow it's really nice this way, I don't have to worry about vods or trying to get a better broadcast time."
I just wish GomTV would rebroadcast at a "US, EU" time which would be nice, do it using twitch.tv and expand your forms of revenue further. It really beats having to find vods you want to and don't want to watch online =P.
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On September 08 2011 13:30 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:20 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:10 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:59 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. but im sure ggplay and iris both practiced a lot too >_> and i don tthink they were aiming to make mistakes either I have nothing against practicing or making less mistake. my point is that sc2 lacks something which i tried to explain in my post. On September 08 2011 13:01 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. So there's a lot of hate for SC2 players bashing on SCBW, but how come SCBW players can say ignorant things about SC2? Please leave scbw alone and focus on my point. That was just an example. give me a fucking break. there is obviously SCBW fanboyism in your post, how can I ignore it? SC2 is one year old. Being a fan of SCBW is great and all, but it doesn't give you automatic clairvoyance in SC2. You make it sound like this will all SC2 will ever be, despite of its young age. if you like something more than another that doesn't make you fanboy, does it? I already regret I mentioned bw here. "SC2 is one year old" is lame excuse. I bet after 8 year fans will cry "look, scbw evolved 10 years, just give us 1 more year". But I hardly believe sc2 will live that long. hope I'm wrong.
by the way when you mock and ridicule another game because you like another game instead counts as being a raging fanboy. if you only like SCBW then you will say "I like SCBW and I am not really into SC2." That's what Day[9] would say.
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On September 08 2011 13:43 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:36 TheHova wrote:On September 08 2011 13:33 Rabiator wrote:On September 08 2011 13:28 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:27 Soulish wrote:
GSL isn't as exciting to watch as MLG because the crowds are smaller and less enthusiastic Have you ever been to the GSL? Please show evidence that what you're saying is fact. I dont know which one to prefer ... the Korean shy girls turning away because the camera is on them OR the western idiots who start to behave really stupid once they notice the camera is on them (maybe even actively going to just that spot the "crowd cam" shows to be the cavemen they are). Personally I lean slightly towards the first, because we should have evolved away from the second one. Heaven forbid, people actually get excited when they are on the camera. STOP HAVING FUN. "Oh look, we are on camera ... lets behave like idiots ... " Awesome concept and we dont have enough idiots on TV already (BigBrother, casting shows, "fake real life" shows, soap operas, childrens science shows, Paris Hilton & Co.(society idiots who are famous for being famous and not for something useful for humanity), ...). Its nothing special to be on TV and if you want to waste your 15 minutes of fame for behaving like a chimp go ahead.
Man you must be really angry at society...
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On September 08 2011 13:53 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:30 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 13:20 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:10 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:59 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. but im sure ggplay and iris both practiced a lot too >_> and i don tthink they were aiming to make mistakes either I have nothing against practicing or making less mistake. my point is that sc2 lacks something which i tried to explain in my post. On September 08 2011 13:01 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. So there's a lot of hate for SC2 players bashing on SCBW, but how come SCBW players can say ignorant things about SC2? Please leave scbw alone and focus on my point. That was just an example. give me a fucking break. there is obviously SCBW fanboyism in your post, how can I ignore it? SC2 is one year old. Being a fan of SCBW is great and all, but it doesn't give you automatic clairvoyance in SC2. You make it sound like this will all SC2 will ever be, despite of its young age. if you like something more than another that doesn't make you fanboy, does it? I already regret I mentioned bw here. "SC2 is one year old" is lame excuse. I bet after 8 year fans will cry "look, scbw evolved 10 years, just give us 1 more year". But I hardly believe sc2 will live that long. hope I'm wrong. by the way when you mock and ridicule another game because you like another game instead counts as being a raging fanboy. if you only like SCBW then you will say "I like SCBW and I am not really into SC2." That's what Day[9] would say.
I'm posting this one and quitting this thread. It looks like I'm flaming and being flamed. whatever.
Back on topic, the topic was why GSL is becoming less entertaining. Several people stating its because tournament format, schedule, timing, balance and so on.
I was telling the reason is game itself (game design to be exactly). I don't see any potential of sc2 to evolve into smth good. believe me i tried all scenarios in my head.
I brought scbw to make an example, and thats all, I'm not a fanboy.
its just my opinion on why GSL boring. I see no reason to bash me for that. And hey I still like playing 3v3 in SC2, its most entertaining thing for me.
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Your idea is stupid and it doesn't make any sense.
The way to make GSL more attractive is more foreigners.
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On September 08 2011 13:10 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 12:59 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. but im sure ggplay and iris both practiced a lot too >_> and i don tthink they were aiming to make mistakes either I have nothing against practicing or making less mistake. my point is that sc2 lacks something which i tried to explain in my post.
but you said:
On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier.
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I like GSL.
Actually I like 1/4 games of GSL. That's because the game is still not figured out and the only player to play consistently well is Nestea. He is so far ahead of everybody just because he is consistent. The most consistent race is Terran and again this shows (not a balance whine, just the current state of the game). We therefore see a lot of TvT which can be amazing or boring, depending on the players, as it can be very close or ridiculously one-sided. PvP and ZvZ is like that too but at least you don't have to wait another 10 minute for a game to end when one player clearly won.
I don't know why you say MLG is better though. The quality of games is actually worse. It's more 'exciting' and 'inviting' because its a one weekend live event and you never know who is going to be playing the next round. GSL is kind of the same except you have a few weeks to accept the fact that x player lost and then get a feel of the following events.
I wouldn't make a big deal out of it though. In other sports it's pretty rare a team that plays consistently well throughout the years. There's always that team who does good, but that doesn't mean they always win. You know what I mean. Chill, give it time.
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I prefer the GSL to MLG still. All the players I care about are in the GSL and that makes it more entertaining for me. Tastosis don't cast enough games anymore though. There are so many Code A matches so there is way too much Moletrap and Doa.
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On September 08 2011 13:43 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:36 TheHova wrote:On September 08 2011 13:33 Rabiator wrote:On September 08 2011 13:28 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:27 Soulish wrote:
GSL isn't as exciting to watch as MLG because the crowds are smaller and less enthusiastic Have you ever been to the GSL? Please show evidence that what you're saying is fact. I dont know which one to prefer ... the Korean shy girls turning away because the camera is on them OR the western idiots who start to behave really stupid once they notice the camera is on them (maybe even actively going to just that spot the "crowd cam" shows to be the cavemen they are). Personally I lean slightly towards the first, because we should have evolved away from the second one. Heaven forbid, people actually get excited when they are on the camera. STOP HAVING FUN. "Oh look, we are on camera ... lets behave like idiots ... " Awesome concept and we dont have enough idiots on TV already (BigBrother, casting shows, "fake real life" shows, soap operas, childrens science shows, Paris Hilton & Co.(society idiots who are famous for being famous and not for something useful for humanity), ...). Its nothing special to be on TV and if you want to waste your 15 minutes of fame for behaving like a chimp go ahead.
You must be one of those guys that's angry about anything.
Chill out allready -.-
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i gave up on TvTs. I don't really watch any. I try to watch MVP and MKP but I even skipped the Code A Finals cuz of TvT. I just cant sit through it anymore. When I am watching TvT VODs, i end up skipping minutes at a time because the games are so long. So I watch GSL less because I don't watch TvT. I didnt even watch the Super Tournament finals :/
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On September 08 2011 14:00 bokeevboke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:53 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:30 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 13:20 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 13:10 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:59 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. but im sure ggplay and iris both practiced a lot too >_> and i don tthink they were aiming to make mistakes either I have nothing against practicing or making less mistake. my point is that sc2 lacks something which i tried to explain in my post. On September 08 2011 13:01 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote:On September 08 2011 12:37 kKagari wrote:On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote:
I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans.
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. lol what? i would've suggested the best sport for you to watch be competitive dice rolling since you dont need to practice, wont make mistakes and theres nothing all in~ish about it, but apparently you hate luck too.... what do you want? I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. So there's a lot of hate for SC2 players bashing on SCBW, but how come SCBW players can say ignorant things about SC2? Please leave scbw alone and focus on my point. That was just an example. give me a fucking break. there is obviously SCBW fanboyism in your post, how can I ignore it? SC2 is one year old. Being a fan of SCBW is great and all, but it doesn't give you automatic clairvoyance in SC2. You make it sound like this will all SC2 will ever be, despite of its young age. if you like something more than another that doesn't make you fanboy, does it? I already regret I mentioned bw here. "SC2 is one year old" is lame excuse. I bet after 8 year fans will cry "look, scbw evolved 10 years, just give us 1 more year". But I hardly believe sc2 will live that long. hope I'm wrong. by the way when you mock and ridicule another game because you like another game instead counts as being a raging fanboy. if you only like SCBW then you will say "I like SCBW and I am not really into SC2." That's what Day[9] would say. I'm posting this one and quitting this thread. It looks like I'm flaming and being flamed. whatever. Back on topic, the topic was why GSL is becoming less entertaining. Several people stating its because tournament format, schedule, timing, balance and so on. I was telling the reason is game itself (game design to be exactly). I don't see any potential of sc2 to evolve into smth good. believe me i tried all scenarios in my head. I brought scbw to make an example, and thats all, I'm not a fanboy. its just my opinion on why GSL boring. I see no reason to bash me for that. And hey I still like playing 3v3 in SC2, its most entertaining thing for me.
The LESSON i hope you learn from this is that you don't leave belittling comments because you will receive a response. I have not once complained about SC2 or any game in my posts, because I know each game has the potential of being great. If you have nothing good or constructive to say and just say "it lacks something", then keep those comments to yourself. thanks.
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On September 08 2011 13:43 BarbieHsu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
User was warned for this post He said it wrong, but I think he's right. Too many TvT's, and T's in general. A couple of tournaments ago, they stabilized the Code S lineup by making it so only the bottom placer of the group fell out to up and downs. They did it at a bad time: there were so many Terrans for whatever reason. It is thus harder now for the T dominated composition of S to change. Even assuming that the game were completely balanced, then Terran would continue to have majority representation in Code S. The only way this can change is if Terran becomes the WEAKEST race, so Terrans start dropping like flies. But that's not fair. Another solution is to let the bottom two of the group go to up and downs. That may be more fair. In ANY case, it's not the players, it's the race, IMO.
In BW the maps were the key design for balance of each race.
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Gomtv is trying to get "new blood" into code s but no foreigner to date has beat the korean players to get there. I'm kinda confused as to why gomtv should make a horrible double elim format to be like mlg when a foreign player can skip any korean qualifier by beating everyone in a 3 day tournament? I don't believe creating a new format is really gonna solve this issue.
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