EPTthough not quite to the same extent =] i do like watching tvt and i don't rip my hair out when i see that match-up. but seriously there are a lot of terrans in code S... it does get a little stale. I don't really think that's a fault of the GSL system though, yes it's really hard to get into code S and facilitate up and coming players, but at the same time the best players in korea right now are already terran players.
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tuestresfat
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though not quite to the same extent =] i do like watching tvt and i don't rip my hair out when i see that match-up. but seriously there are a lot of terrans in code S... it does get a little stale. I don't really think that's a fault of the GSL system though, yes it's really hard to get into code S and facilitate up and coming players, but at the same time the best players in korea right now are already terran players. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:06 GypsyBeast wrote: but ya the TvT's are driving me nuts. i have stopped watching the GSL's because of this. GSTL will always be much funner to watch because of the variety I preety much agree here, ive been playing a lot of terran, and protoss, but seriously, ive had enough of tvt's. Yes, it is probably the best of all the mirror matchups, but some games are just absurdly long and boring. I really hope some toss and zerg's step up their game, if nothing else than to give us some variety. Not to mention MVP will probably mop the floor with TOP in the finals, making for an even worse bo7 finals than usual. imo anyways. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:02 Modernist wrote: I think most of these complaints will disappear WHEN Terrans aren't dominating as much as they are right now (wait for 1.4). GSL is still awesome and getting awesomer every day. I wish I could believe this but I don't think 1.4 is drastic enough to change things up all that much. On another note, I personally won't be watching GSL or any other tournaments till Toss players improve or some decent changes are made to the race. ***SPOILERS*** Alicia and MC getting knocked down to code A and protoss underpreforming in general sucks. Not to whine but protoss simply have been nerfed too much since release from people crying that the race is OP. Voids to colossi and even getting an undeserved storm nerf. Its cute and all trying to buff WP but drop harass is not the answer (or carrying HT in them) IMHO and toss relying on shitty allins compared to other races or their two clutch AOE units makes them too predictable... | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:58 bokeevboke wrote: I hate to bring bw here, but I don't have a better way to explain it. I think the best example would be GGPlay vs Iris starleague final. The game was epic! back and forth, a lot of multitasking that even korean casters couldn't keep up, fierce battles in multiple locations, i was literally sitting in the edge although i was watching vod and already knew what happened. Sorry to tell you but none of the above happen in SC2. And I can't event bring up any scenario thats happening in SC2. Everything dies to fast in a blink of eye. one minute you have 200/200 next minute you lost the game. Complete nonsense. Ah, the 'I'm not racist but...' technique. And that was a great final, but there's been great finals in SC2 as well. To say no multitasking and battles in multiple locations happen in SC2 is an absurd statement and completely false. You're either being blinded by your love for BW or just incredibly ignorant. TvT with mech has plenty of mini battles that go on for positioning all the fucking time and that's just one example. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:09 JesusOurSaviour wrote: Bro he ain't hating on SC2. He's just stating the fact (fact = truth) that engagements last a few seconds and the game is over. It is indeed nonsense at times. But that said, SCII is evolving, there are lots more minor engagements happening all over the map. I'd like to see Protoss use more storm drop - how come no one has done it consistently??? SC:BW pros are probably like 'wtf these kids up to?'. At least we are seeing gosu zergs like SlayerSCoca doing baneling drops on mineral lines. total baller move While it's not up to par in terms of average length of an engagement of BW, SC2 has come a lot further from its old days. There's a lot more harassment and there're also a lot of long battles. People have stop dying to one battle... most games these days tend to be long drawn out battles. And come on, it's not as if BW doesn't have its short games ending after 1 battle. | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:27 Soulish wrote: GSL isn't as exciting to watch as MLG because the crowds are smaller and less enthusiastic Have you ever been to the GSL? Please show evidence that what you're saying is fact. | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:28 KingAce wrote: And you have to pay for it. Isn't there something to be said about things being free? MLG is free to watch and is on at a convenient time for the majority of people that stream it online. It's free and prime time in Korea. Koreans probably say the same thing about MLG. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:22 rebuffering wrote: I preety much agree here, ive been playing a lot of terran, and protoss, but seriously, ive had enough of tvt's. Yes, it is probably the best of all the mirror matchups, but some games are just absurdly long and boring. I really hope some toss and zerg's step up their game, if nothing else than to give us some variety. Not to mention MVP will probably mop the floor with TOP in the finals, making for an even worse bo7 finals than usual. imo anyways. After seeing MVPs games this season who do you think would be a closer match in a Bo7? The only player I can think of is maybe Bomber. I don't have a problem with a 4-0, plenty of whitewashes happened in broodwar finals. I actually enjoy watching someone prepare and play so well that they completely dominate their opponent.  | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:20 BoxersGosuGarden wrote: give me a fucking break. there is obviously SCBW fanboyism in your post, how can I ignore it? SC2 is one year old. Being a fan of SCBW is great and all, but it doesn't give you automatic clairvoyance in SC2. You make it sound like this will all SC2 will ever be, despite of its young age. if you like something more than another that doesn't make you fanboy, does it? I already regret I mentioned bw here. "SC2 is one year old" is lame excuse. I bet after 8 year fans will cry "look, scbw evolved 10 years, just give us 1 more year". But I hardly believe sc2 will live that long. hope I'm wrong. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:30 bokeevboke wrote: if you like something more than another that doesn't make you fanboy, does it? I already regret I mentioned bw here. "SC2 is one year old" is lame excuse. I bet after 8 year fans will cry "look, scbw evolved 10 years, just give us 1 more year". But I hardly believe sc2 will live that long. hope I'm wrong. okay then. SCBW aside, you still don't give SC2 any hope. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you so negative about SC2? was SCBW perfect after 1 year? is ANY game perfected after 1 year? | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:28 BoxersGosuGarden wrote: Have you ever been to the GSL? Please show evidence that what you're saying is fact. I dont know which one to prefer ... the Korean shy girls turning away because the camera is on them OR the western idiots who start to behave really stupid once they notice the camera is on them (maybe even actively going to just that spot the "crowd cam" shows to be the cavemen they are). Personally I lean slightly towards the first, because we should have evolved away from the second one. What I really hate from GOM spectators is the "clapping aids", which are yet another waste of resources and an excuse NOT to exert yourself when watching an awesome match which deserves real applause (and feetstomping). I wish they could stop with that ... | ||
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Onox
United States1072 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:33 Rabiator wrote: I dont know which one to prefer ... the Korean shy girls turning away because the camera is on them OR the western idiots who start to behave really stupid once they notice the camera is on them (maybe even actively going to just that spot the "crowd cam" shows to be the cavemen they are). Personally I lean slightly towards the first, because we should have evolved away from the second one. Heaven forbid, people actually get excited when they are on the camera. STOP HAVING FUN. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:36 TheHova wrote: Heaven forbid, people actually get excited when they are on the camera. STOP HAVING FUN. The point is people show excitement and enthusiasm in different ways. Just because it doesn't look exactly like MLG when you're watching at 5 in the morning doesn't mean the fans are less enthusiastic. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:24 pdd wrote: While it's not up to par in terms of average length of an engagement of BW, SC2 has come a lot further from its old days. There's a lot more harassment and there're also a lot of long battles. People have stop dying to one battle... most games these days tend to be long drawn out battles. And come on, it's not as if BW doesn't have its short games ending after 1 battle. I'm not being ignorant. I know people try alot harassing and backstabing in SC2. But its less effective overall. Reason: 1. Chronoboost, larva injection and mules makes worker harassing pointless. If you have three bases you barely feel any damage. (Of course if you don't lose your whole worker line and expansion itself) 2. Its better to concentrate on making stronger ball and finish the game in one blow. Because there is nothing to buy time after you lose one battle. Except maybe siege tanks. Fungal sucks in that sense. Psi-storms are not option anymore. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
MLG, on the other hand, has TvT all over the place. Thanks to MLG only inviting Korean terrans. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:33 Rabiator wrote: I dont know which one to prefer ... the Korean shy girls turning away because the camera is on them OR the western idiots who start to behave really stupid once they notice the camera is on them (maybe even actively going to just that spot the "crowd cam" shows to be the cavemen they are). Personally I lean slightly towards the first, because we should have evolved away from the second one. It's a TV show that happens in a big city in the evening during rush hour, ofcourse the crowd isn't going to be big everyday, they can just watch on their TV or their computer at home. It'd be the same in any country after the novelty of OMGESPORTS wore off. Broodwar studio matches didn't get big crowds except for when top top famous players were playing, Nestea always has a pretty big crowd whenever he plays as an example. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On September 08 2011 13:28 BoxersGosuGarden wrote: Have you ever been to the GSL? Please show evidence that what you're saying is fact. Well, it's certainly a fact that the up unto the finals the GSL crowds are much smaller. I've been to the GOM studios and they aren't that big plus you can see from broadcasts that even the small space they have is barely ever at capacity. I would say there would only be about 50 people there on average or less. It's a bit hard to compare though because GSL is over several weeks whereas MLG happens in a few days. You do get bigger crowds for the GSL finals which are held at bigger venues, though nothing compared to what you get for BW finals. | ||
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