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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:20 kKagari wrote: if u win your first game, u wont fall out of code S even if u lose the next 2 in the current system It still depends if you can win or not. Statistically speaking most players who get 1-2 fall out the next season. | ||
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:19 kKagari wrote: when you are playing for at least 1.5k US iirc, imo it should be highly volatile. maybe make the double elimination games all BO3 or something, but it prevents ppl like fruitdealer sticking around for money just winning that 1 game every season. those games are stagnant Rofl looks like the only way people on TL are gonna be happy about tourney formats is round-robin bo9s On September 08 2011 12:23 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: The only reason is the time at which it is broadcasted. USA folks have to wake between 2:00am-5:00am if they want to watch games live. Not entirely reasonable since such a large part of their demographic is high school and college aged kids. It's Korean primetime, keep in mind that GSL gets TELEVISED, do you really think they'd relocate to something like midnight KST just so they can appease americans? | ||
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kKagari
Australia84 Posts
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:23 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: The only reason is the time at which it is broadcasted. USA folks have to wake between 2:00am-5:00am if they want to watch games live. Not entirely reasonable since such a large part of their demographic is high school and college age kids. That's why there's VODs. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
The new GSTL format is bad IMO, because it spreads the drama over too much footage. The newly started showing of code A qualifiers is good, because we get to see the big names who fail to qualify and the format is still a bit loose compared to a GSL show. Code S also has the problem of extremely boring - because of the one-sidedness - finals, and if the finals are boring to watch, why should we watch the games leading up to them? The whole thing has to do with Korea and their way of doing things. Players get to play a GAME professionally and practice it to perfection. Once you reach that level the personal daily form and the prepared tactics determine the outcome much more than the general quality of the player. Thus we get roflstomp finals where one guy just loses 0-4 and its over in about 90 minutes. The blame also lies partly with the design of Starcraft 2, because it does not allow for failures. Producing masses of units and macroing is just too easy and this - coupled with the perfect unit movement - does make the game so volatile that you are not allowed to make any mistakes. This is true for the "perfection level" of korean players and doesnt apply to Joe Bronze who is fighting Tim Silver. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:27 adeezy wrote: Not everyone pays for VODs. I know I won't but if it was live during normal hours that I'd be awake then hell yeah I'd watch the GSL LOL okay so you can trade your normal hours for inferior tournaments or pay to watch the GSL. Your choice. | ||
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SoLaR[i.C]
United States2969 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:23 Zeroxk wrote: It's Korean primetime, keep in mind that GSL gets TELEVISED, do you really think they'd relocate to something like midnight KST just so they can appease americans? I never even insinuated that they should change the time, so I don't know what you're reading into. The original post was asking why Code S is losing steam. In Korea, it's not. Everywhere where there is a time issue, it is. It has absolutely nothing to do with match ups. | ||
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Fkyx
United States109 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:29 adeezy wrote: Also people in general like to watch a tournament that ends fast: For example the first GSTLs were a huge hit, I mean they were like over in three days lol Sounds to me like those people have short attention spans, perhaps they should pick up another game such as COD | ||
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Tomfour
United States173 Posts
The reason MLG is so nice is because its about once a month. So it's easy to follow and it's action packed. I can't really say every MLG is the same as the last, at least up until the whole Korean domination thing. Maybe once Korean domination is the norm and we don't even have a flicker of hope for foreigners my opinion will change. But for now, that's how I feel. | ||
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kKagari
Australia84 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:30 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I never even insinuated that they should change the time, so I don't know what you're reading into. The original post was asking why Code S is losing steam. In Korea, it's not. Everywhere where there is a time issue, it is. It has absolutely nothing to do with match ups. absolutely nothing is a bit of a big call to make for the rest of the community. i dont mind watching TvTs but if thats what it is game after game then yes, it does get boring. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:27 Rabiator wrote: The GSL in total is getting boring, because they are trying to provide more and more and more games. The total available drama is limited however - up&down matches and the first round of code A with some of the big names - and spreading it out over too much video is bad. Thats where MLG and other weekend tournaments have a real advantage. They are FOCUSED and its easy to get on to it and watch the whole drama. The GSL is like a soap opera you missed a few episodes of ... you are lacking a piece of the information of what has happened. The new GSTL format is bad IMO, because it spreads the drama over too much footage. The newly started showing of code A qualifiers is good, because we get to see the big names who fail to qualify and the format is still a bit loose compared to a GSL show. Who cares about drama? If this was a drama contest I suppose foreigners would win? Koreans are more passionate about Starcraft II than any foreigner anyway. MKP cried when he won against MC in the Super Tournament. Every time a Korean loses you feel their sadness and shock. Foreigners just talk trash and rage. 3 day tournaments just stress the shit out of everyone maybe that's why you think its more drama. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
The format just seems silly to me. Bo1's for the groups? You only have to lose two games and you're in up and downs. Bo3's would be so much better imo and let the better players win more consistently. Then you've got Code A. Which although the matches are great to watch, feels a bit meaningless. It's basically a qualifier and that's about it. There's no interaction with the Koreans at all, at first we had player interviews and were really spoilt in terms of the content we got. Now we only really get the matches and some previews with subtitles on the bottom. All i know about most of the players, is what they do in the game. I know nothing about them, i can't relate. Whether you like it or not, for some people it's important to have someone to follow to get really excited about an event. And for a lot of people that's a foreigner. Every single Code S GSL the representation (through no fault of their own, it's just we're not good enough) has pretty much always been 1 player and 2 at the max. Who usually go out either in the groups or Ro16. So once they go out, the interest drops again. And finally you've got the fact that nearly all the players are Terran. I won't go into why so many are Terran but after awhile, you just get sick of TvT. Especially if it's not your match up and you want to watch GSL to improve. It's getting worse not better too. Every single season it feels like there's more and more Terrans and less of the other races. I'll still watch the GSL, I've stayed up every time to watch the finals only to be disappointed. Pretty much every single time. But i sure as hell don't blame people for not wanting to and don't get a buzz watching it anymore. I basically watch it for the games and to laugh at Tastosis and that's about it now. | ||
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BoxersGosuGarden
Philippines155 Posts
On September 08 2011 12:34 bokeevboke wrote: I don't watch GSL since april. The time is very convenient for me, but somehow I got bored. I think its the game itself. And have nothing to do with too many terrans. SC2 feels dull, plain and boring. It all became, who practices more, who makes less mistake, whether cheese/allin works or not, and most importantly who is luckier. Why don't you go and do brain surgery? You can go have fun with making no mistakes and with no luck involved. | ||
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