EPTCode S might be losing entertainment value. - Page 20
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
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Hikari
1914 Posts
Some of them are pretty good, taeja v ganzi for example, but after the 10th game it becomes /shrug | ||
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slothpants
Canada9 Posts
Or, instead of complaining about that fact, be proactive and submit some articles to TL ABOUT the new Code A/Code S players so that viewers become more invested in the players. If you haven't noticed, that is a large part of the GSL/MLG exchange - getting known internationally. Before the last MLG, I doubt many people would have said Coca could compete against the people he beat. Now you know him. Same goes for Puma at NASL (or whichever he won first), etc. Just because you are exposed to specific players more often, doesn't mean that the people you don't know aren't interesting or exciting. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:27 Oreo7 wrote: Too many terrans is the issue nothing else  Exactly. I play Protoss and almost all the Protoss got eliminated in the first few rounds, with only Huk, Genius and JYP making the R08 for both Code A and Code S. And all three were eliminated in that round. This isn't really Gom's fault, more Blizzard due to overall game balance or the players for simply not playing well. | ||
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:14 Shikyo wrote: I believe that the code A code S system is awful and that it'd be much better if it was all just dumped together, maybe have code S get byes first round, and then add in a few open bracket slots. It really gets boring seeing the same faces every time. I also think that the casting isn't as good as it could be but I'm certain I'm in the minority with that. We had the super tourney, it created a lot of one-sided stompings in the ro64. Realize that at the top of every sport/game you WILL see the same group of people, they are the best at what they do and that is their reward. You seem to just want new players because they're new, can you guarantee they're good? On September 08 2011 11:32 krndandaman wrote: it might also be because there are alot more foreigners in MLG (like ALOT more) compared to GSL. sc2 is growing bigger and bigger in the international scene whereas I think sc2 growth in korea is not even close. foreigners want to watch foreigners. couldnt this be a reason? foreigner scene gets bigger -> more people watch foreigner tournaments Truth with modifications, seems more people want to watch KOREANS vs foreigners. How many people cared about IPL1 and 2? Next to no one because it didn't have Koreans. Compare viewership and hype from MLG 2010 and when Koreans started showing up. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:32 krndandaman wrote: it might also be because there are alot more foreigners in MLG (like ALOT more) compared to GSL. sc2 is growing bigger and bigger in the international scene whereas I think sc2 growth in korea is not even close. foreigners want to watch foreigners. couldnt this be a reason? foreigner scene gets bigger -> more people watch foreigner tournaments Some people love to argue that they only want to watch "the very best" and don't want to watch "2nd tier players", but I think everyone loves to watch the Korean vs World rivalry. Personally I could care less how many foreigners or Koreans there are in a tournament, I just want to see some good games. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On the other hand, there's nothing stopping scrubs from getting lucky and playing in Code S in your format. The current format is decent to say the least, there's nothing wrong with having the same players win simply because they are better. It's tough getting into Code S, but if you are good enough, you'll (eventually) get it. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
One huge reason for this is lack of player interviews. We need more player interviews! Another huge reason is that they're all coming up through Code A and being cast by the Code A casters, so we don't get the same kind of analysis on their styles and their history as we would from Tastosis. It seems like the only time I get to know any of these players is from the GSTL, where their personalities really shine, and Artosis talks about the important differences between them. All of my favorite new players have come from the GSTL. Finally, tangent, but Tastosis is just commentating a lot less than usual. They don't do the Up-and-Downs, they don't do Code A, and they only do GSTL half of the time. I know they said they wanted to give Tastosis a break by hiring new casters, but really? Casting less than half of the time now? TL;DR: Gom needs to add more interviews and more Tastosis to make GSL exciting again. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:05 pdd wrote: Yeah, but look at the Code S and A distribution for the August GSL. 32/64 players were Terran. That's half. Heck, look at the Korean ladder on sc2ranks. A significant number of top tier (and I'm talking about top top tier) players are Terran. 19 of the Top 30 Korean/TW players are Terran. Compared to other servers where: 15 of the Top 30 Chinese players are Terran 15 of the Top 30 American players are Terran 13 of the Top 30 EU players are Terran The ladder stats aren't really as conclusive as I initially expected (there were times when almost everyone in the Top 20 were Terran) but it nonetheless shows that a lot of the best of the best players in Korea are Terrans. Well, two weeks ago a community manager made a post saying that in Korea and NA, the Terran winrate against Protoss was tipping over 60%+ showing signs of imbalance. So that may have something to do with it as well. Plus, it was only a few months ago when Protoss was dominating every ladder, now all the ladders are being dominated by Terran as people catch up to Korea | ||
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
also, i would like to them stop pairing doa + moletrap. i want at least one person who actually knows how to play the game to be casting, not two play-by-play casters and to everyone complaining about the tvts... just wait until toss or zerg becomes the majority, and you'll be praying for your tvts back lol. i hate zvz and pvp is almost as lame. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:30 Galaxy_Zerg wrote: As far as im concerned, people who complain things are boring are just ruining this game. Do you ever get bored of watching baseball or football even thuogh they play the same teams every single year? It's different, because there are three races in starcraft, but just the human race in basketball. If there were humans, dog, and plants in basketball, then I don't think I'd enjoy watching dogs play over half the time. | ||
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onymous
United States67 Posts
Also the lack of old format interviews, and too much not-tastosis. | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:32 slothpants wrote: I might also add that if you are more interested in MLG because GSL is full of "no name" players, that's because you don't know them. I would hazard a guess that Korea, the primary viewing audience, knows them quite well. Or, instead of complaining about that fact, be proactive and submit some articles to TL ABOUT the new Code A/Code S players so that viewers become more invested in the players. If you haven't noticed, that is a large part of the GSL/MLG exchange - getting known internationally. Before the last MLG, I doubt many people would have said Coca could compete against the people he beat. Now you know him. Same goes for Puma at NASL (or whichever he won first), etc. Just because you are exposed to specific players more often, doesn't mean that the people you don't know aren't interesting or exciting. thats not really what causes my perceived lack of entertainment my perceived problem that could use some fixing is not that gsl full of "no names", its the fact that gsl is all super well known players. every player in code s is among "the best" players every game is "the best" vs "the best", and i know this is just my opinion but i think that allowing some "new blood" into the equation will make it more entertaining for the average viewer.... code A requires new bloods to play a whole season before getting into a code s tournament. My idea would allow some new bloods to be placed directly into each code s tournament with only a few days of playing required to achieve a seed. sometimes i enjoy watching a code s player completely crush a random guy in a "game that matters", my idea would let "new bloods" face off against code s players and the code s player would give his perfect game and completely crush because he knows if he loses to this guy he is out of the tournament however, what if the new guy wins? holy hell. wouldnt that create some suspense, some drama, a big element of the unknown and the mysterious. such mystique and "possibility for the impossible to happen" in my opinion would make the tournament alot more entertaining to the average viewer | ||
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
That's the main reason. | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:34 Demonace34 wrote: Some people love to argue that they only want to watch "the very best" and don't want to watch "2nd tier players", but I think everyone loves to watch the Korean vs World rivalry. Personally I could care less how many foreigners or Koreans there are in a tournament, I just want to see some good games. I really don't have any illusions about foreigners catching up anytime soon. The best players happen to be Korean, and yes, you tend to see the same faces in the last rounds of the best tournament in the world. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm a huge baseball fan, I follow the whole sport and of course my favorite team. I even keep track of the minor league prospects for my favorite team, but do I watch minor league games? No. I'm a huge starcraft II fan, I follow the whole scene and of course my favorite players (almost all Korean). I even keep track of foreigners who have caught my interest, but do I watch all of their games? No. | ||
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piknic
Canada59 Posts
On September 08 2011 11:30 Galaxy_Zerg wrote: As far as im concerned, people who complain things are boring are just ruining this game. Do you ever get bored of watching baseball or football even thuogh they play the same teams every single year? These organizations (especially football, assuming your talking NFL) change their rules all the time because people complain about boring games. And there is a difference between "people" and "fans". Fans in my opinion have earned the right to complain about boring games. | ||
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Boozerr
United States28 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4Cm0f.png) There were a total of 8 games out of 85 that didn't involve terran. There is no way that can be interesting | ||
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