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Serpico
4285 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:44 Klogon wrote: This is how collective bargaining works. Think of the NFL and NBA disputes between the players union and the owners recently Players get to have input, that's why so many player reps go to meetings during lockouts. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:50 stalife wrote: ouch, the non-translated parts are pretty harsh then translate it please, if you are able, i d figure everybody would like to know it | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:50 iCanada wrote: The thing that I love about all of this, is Koreans were insulted about Foriegners not willing to go through unforvorable conditions (IE paying to fly to Korea, live in GOM house with no practice partners, spend a month sitting on their thumbs in a tournament with a prize pool not even worth their plane ticket...) using phrases like "Koreans have the pride to make sacrifices to come play at the biggest stage, to gain the most fame, to have the most success." Yet now there is a tournament with the money and viewership greater than that of GOMs and they aren't willing to go despite being guaranteed to atleast make money on the venture should they qualify for the finals. I thought the best Koreans would brave through it and take risks to be the best? Hypocrisy at its best. GOM and GSL were not involved in this. Was cleared up by NASL and everyone else about fifty times already. | ||
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UniversalMind
United States326 Posts
thanks for translating | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:52 Govou wrote: GOM and GSL were not involved in this. Was cleared up by NASL and everyone else about fifty times already. Is Mr Chae (the manager of GSL) not the head of SC2Con? | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:24 vertical101 wrote: Korean is really good taking foreign money(prize+this shit). this unfair for western-programer. top 10 of prizemoney is korean, next thing we know they want to eat us aLive. they should have been happy from what they have. and think for foreigner player too. korean get special treatment in foreign tournaments. What? Korean players make the most money because they're the best players. GSL has given many spots to foreigners. If they were good enough, they would win two matches in Code A and then get up into Code S. So far out of the countless people who were given spots, only Huk made it into Code S and is very stable in his position at the moment. The finals of the NASL weren't crowded with Koreans because they got special treatment. They were just plain better. Sen is Taiwanese and he didn't get special treatment by getting 3rd place; he just played very, very well. GSL wants foreigners to come play. They want them to succeed in Code A and join Huk in Code S. They're basically doing everything they can to try and make it easier for foreigners to have a chance to make it in. The only thing I can think of would be giving the top placing foreigner at MLG a direct Code S spot, but then you have the side where Koreans are mad because they have to fight tooth and nail just to get into Code A. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:55 iCanada wrote: Is Mr Chae (the manager of GSL) not the head of SC2Con? No he's not. It used to be the coach of StarTale before he stepped down, not sure who sits at the top right now. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:51 Serpico wrote: Players get to have input, that's why so many player reps go to meetings during lockouts. At the same time it makes sense the managers are taking the lead since it seems that they're the ones who have to worry about the team's expenses, and in the end they're the ones who have to find the budget for the NASL travel expenses. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
They might be the best but then don't have to be rude and lowclass.. This all situation is bad for the Koreans.. and for me if the league only gets like 10 koreans that are from foreign teams or FXO it will be a much better tournament then GSL2! | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:00 DystopiaX wrote: At the same time it makes sense the managers are taking the lead since it seems that they're the ones who have to worry about the team's expenses, and in the end they're the ones who have to find the budget for the NASL travel expenses. Nope, not necessarily, they could chose to allow the players to decide whether they want to invest in this or not from their own pocket. This way it s forbidden to everybody, even who are content to deal with the problems in the light of those couple 10k dollars I d put my neck on it, that some Korean players are really unhappy whit this decisiong | ||
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:27 bearhug wrote: You misunderstand it. The biggest problem is that 3 months too long, not to mention that they have to get up early in the morning for each match. Thats what I (and they) mean with playing conditions... (btw: its 3 months, but just 9 matches... so that should actually not be huge problem). I still dont think that this is their biggest problem, they talk about the money much more than about this problem... but who knows, all these translations etc... | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:02 zeru wrote: Anyone willing to sum up or translate the 2nd part of OP please? ill paraphrase it there are alot of tournaments and opportunities around world but players need to approach them w/ bit of care. NASL had a great idea but what they have shown so far was nothing but 'promise' from players perspective. NASL should pay up first and sc2con decided against korean teams participating in NASL | ||
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:55 Fionn wrote: What? Korean players make the most money because they're the best players. GSL has given many spots to foreigners. If they were good enough, they would win two matches in Code A and then get up into Code S. So far out of the countless people who were given spots, only Huk made it into Code S and is very stable in his position at the moment. The finals of the NASL weren't crowded with Koreans because they got special treatment. They were just plain better. Sen is Taiwanese and he didn't get special treatment by getting 3rd place; he just played very, very well. GSL wants foreigners to come play. They want them to succeed in Code A and join Huk in Code S. They're basically doing everything they can to try and make it easier for foreigners to have a chance to make it in. The only thing I can think of would be giving the top placing foreigner at MLG a direct Code S spot, but then you have the side where Koreans are mad because they have to fight tooth and nail just to get into Code A. im talking about foreigner players playing in foreigner tournaments and not getting equal treatment same as with korean e.g MLG,etc.. | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6253 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:46 dtz wrote: According to NASL , Mr Chae and GSL is only the middleman and has nothing to do with this decision . He is just there probably because of the language barrier or due to his good relationship with both sides ( foreigners and koreans). If this is the case - if Mr Chae has no part in SC2Con, I stand corrected then and I apologise for the misleading quote. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Agreeing to play and then pulling out is shitty, if it had been a disagreement from the first step it wouldnt have been an issue at all.... I *do* think NASL should pay full flight costs for everyone who qualifies for the final, but thats unrelated to this. On August 12 2011 18:12 HaRxTears wrote: Wy the fck should NASL pay their lodging fees and meals etc...wtf. The leagues outside Korea are giving the koreans to much fcking service. The people from europe also only get like 500 dollar travel stipend -_-. Leagues should STOP sugarcoating the koreans unless you have something like MLG where it goes both ways. Its getting retarded nowadays. Its a bit of a difference in culture I would guess - Korean and Chinese events usually pay for the travel & accomodation I think. Like, CPL paid for tickets and hotel and some meals etc (but they only paid for flights within asia). | ||
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Neptuneajax
Australia206 Posts
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