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Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
August 13 2011 20:39 GMT
#621
Korea is really shooting themselves in the foot. All they fucking have is the GSL, they need to branch out.
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Grr Arr Rawr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States108 Posts
August 13 2011 20:40 GMT
#622
On August 14 2011 05:18 aksfjh wrote:

They don't have the possibility of sending 16 Koreans to Dreamhack etc. When it's a real possibility that a large number of your players could have to go to the US, you want that cost covered.


I really don't understand why people keep saying shit like this. Korean teams are under no obligation to put half their roster in the tournament. What happened to teams using internal rank points to determine wich guy gets to go to a tournament?
You can't rhyme against the dark side of the Force, why even bother? So many dudes been with your mom, who even KNOWS if I'm your father!
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 20:44:45
August 13 2011 20:43 GMT
#623
On August 14 2011 05:18 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 02:56 Medrea wrote:
On August 14 2011 02:51 Iberville wrote:
I find it absolutely ridiculous that the NASL didn't pay for air fare. Nothing by the NASL concerning this makes sense and they are in the wrong imho.

That being said, players complaining about waking up at 4 AM can chose not to play in the NASL. Their choice.

I do feel the low amount of support that the NASL gives to the players is going to bite them back hard. They will not win the PR war, that's for sure.



Try to read the OP a little bit more.

Then compare it to events like dreamhack and such where much less support is garnered anyway.


They don't have the possibility of sending 16 Koreans to Dreamhack etc. When it's a real possibility that a large number of your players could have to go to the US, you want that cost covered. NASL offered a 60 day lag of $2000. Let me know when you find an airline and hotel that will take their payment up to 60 days after the service.


They have the possibility to send 30 players to Dreamhack. They can't afford it of course and it's not worth it, but in theory they do. Why do they expect to be allowed to send 16 people to NASL if they can't afford it?

Don't sign up for shit you don't have funds to participate in. Sign up one player if that's what your budget allows.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 22:37:31
August 13 2011 22:37 GMT
#624
A disappointment really that the Korean players/teams couldn't make if financially feasible.

Ultimately, if an organization comes forth, puts up a massive cash prize pool - and all I have to do it show up and play my A game to take a piece of it, you bet I'll make it to the matches.

Further, I specifically recall a condition that NASL made that in order to enter, you MUST commit in advance to a personal appearance for the grand finals. So this was known in advance to online group play.

I feel, that if NASL makes the tournament, puts up the money, obtains venue, filming, logistics etc etc etc - it is the Teams and the players responsibility to get to the venue etc if they want their chance at that prize pool. It should NOT be NASL's financial problem to pay for travel and lodgings of out of country or out of region players.

The fact that NASL came forward and offered funds, in my opinion, is above and beyond what they are required to do, or what the players feel they are entitled to.

A question - if the prize pool was hypothetically $1,000,000 - with the winner taking $500,000 - would the Korean's still be making financial demands regarding travel and lodging? Likely not.
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Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#625
On August 14 2011 02:53 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 02:51 Iberville wrote:
I find it absolutely ridiculous that the NASL didn't pay for air fare. Nothing by the NASL concerning this makes sense and they are in the wrong imho.

That being said, players complaining about waking up at 4 AM can chose not to play in the NASL. Their choice.

I do feel the low amount of support that the NASL gives to the players is going to bite them back hard. They will not win the PR war, that's for sure.


Did you read? The Koreans were going to get $2000 upfront for expenses. Actual costs provided by NASL from season 1 show that this was enough. The Koreans were going to have their airfare, ground travel, and hotel costs payed for.

Did you read? They have to pay it back. Stop being a horrible troll.
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moargas
Profile Joined October 2010
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 06:11:07
August 15 2011 06:10 GMT
#626
Wait... if they signed the contract for the S2 qualifiers in July, then what was played in June?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234791
OCsurfeR
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States195 Posts
August 16 2011 16:49 GMT
#627
On August 15 2011 06:54 Iberville wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 02:53 Myles wrote:
On August 14 2011 02:51 Iberville wrote:
I find it absolutely ridiculous that the NASL didn't pay for air fare. Nothing by the NASL concerning this makes sense and they are in the wrong imho.

That being said, players complaining about waking up at 4 AM can chose not to play in the NASL. Their choice.

I do feel the low amount of support that the NASL gives to the players is going to bite them back hard. They will not win the PR war, that's for sure.


Did you read? The Koreans were going to get $2000 upfront for expenses. Actual costs provided by NASL from season 1 show that this was enough. The Koreans were going to have their airfare, ground travel, and hotel costs payed for.

Did you read? They have to pay it back. Stop being a horrible troll.


They only have to pay it back if they win money at the Finals in excess of what it cost to bring them to the Finals. Look up "troll" because I don't think it means what you think it means.
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akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 17:14:02
August 16 2011 17:12 GMT
#628
On August 15 2011 15:10 moargas wrote:
Wait... if they signed the contract for the S2 qualifiers in July, then what was played in June?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234791


yah... why would nasl do contract work 1 month after the qualifiers and 2 weeks before the actual season. not that smart by them.

i'm curious to know what the contents of the contract are. i bet that would tell much more to the story then, "oh they breached the contract". there's obviously more going on.
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
August 16 2011 17:16 GMT
#629
Do you think HuK will be in the NASL now?????
"En taro adun, Executor."
Kemy
Profile Joined November 2010
105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 17:29:34
August 16 2011 17:28 GMT
#630
This still sounds more of a protectionist move than anything else.

In the last NASL finales we had how many Koreans participating through the open bracket? I don't think any of the participants in the open bracket got any kind of travel stipends since it was open for 1024 players which would be a ridicolous sum if they had to pay for everyone...

Please, correct me if I'm wrong here.

Additionally, assuming that 1000 USD + 1000 USD minimum prize money is enough to cover all costs why can't teams talk to their players if they would agree to pay the flight etc out of this 1000 USD prize money? I just don't see how NONE of the Koreans would agree to this given that they can play in front of a huge crowd, playing for 1st place, getting themselves known to sponsors etc.
Hammurabio
Profile Joined August 2010
152 Posts
August 18 2011 15:04 GMT
#631
On August 17 2011 02:28 Kemy wrote:
In the last NASL finales we had how many Koreans participating through the open bracket? I don't think any of the participants in the open bracket got any kind of travel stipends since it was open for 1024 players which would be a ridicolous sum if they had to pay for everyone...

Please, correct me if I'm wrong here.


By design, the Open Bracket winner is the only participant that goes to the NASL finals.
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