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Iberville
Canada207 Posts
That being said, players complaining about waking up at 4 AM can chose not to play in the NASL. Their choice. I do feel the low amount of support that the NASL gives to the players is going to bite them back hard. They will not win the PR war, that's for sure. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 14 2011 02:51 Iberville wrote: I find it absolutely ridiculous that the NASL didn't pay for air fare. Nothing by the NASL concerning this makes sense and they are in the wrong imho. That being said, players complaining about waking up at 4 AM can chose not to play in the NASL. Their choice. I do feel the low amount of support that the NASL gives to the players is going to bite them back hard. They will not win the PR war, that's for sure. Did you read? The Koreans were going to get $2000 upfront for expenses. Actual costs provided by NASL from season 1 show that this was enough. The Koreans were going to have their airfare, ground travel, and hotel costs payed for. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 14 2011 02:51 Iberville wrote: I find it absolutely ridiculous that the NASL didn't pay for air fare. Nothing by the NASL concerning this makes sense and they are in the wrong imho. That being said, players complaining about waking up at 4 AM can chose not to play in the NASL. Their choice. I do feel the low amount of support that the NASL gives to the players is going to bite them back hard. They will not win the PR war, that's for sure. Try to read the OP a little bit more. Then compare it to events like dreamhack and such where much less support is garnered anyway. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 14 2011 01:53 last.resistance wrote: Casting from replays opens up to the casters getting out of synch, like we saw with the EG Master's Cup this week with Painuser getting out of synch with DJ Wheat and ultimately having to switch computers to continue the cast. they are sitting in the same room and able to see each others screens R1CH even developed a program to sync replays that was used in the TSL | ||
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Chickenlegs
Sweden451 Posts
Then add the 500 $ dollar per player they have to pay beforehand when they are in an economic struggle it hardly feels worth it. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 14 2011 02:57 turdburgler wrote: they are sitting in the same room and able to see each others screens R1CH even developed a program to sync replays that was used in the TSL The sync program is good, but not perfect. And 2 people obsing on one computer isn't that good as you are going to miss even more attacks. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 14 2011 04:30 Vul wrote: I don't understand why they just didn't take 16,000$ out of the overall prize pool and give every player an extra $1000 towards travel expenses in addition to what they're already doing. Wouldn't an extra 1k be enough? Maybe the winning player makes $40,000 instead of $50,000, and so on, but that's better than the tournament being essentially neutered. And reducing the prize pool is fair to all the non-koreans? You can't say you have xx prize pool, and then after everyone agrees, change it because one party decided it didn't like the rules after the fact. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On August 14 2011 03:39 jmbthirteen wrote: The sync program is good, but not perfect. And 2 people obsing on one computer isn't that good as you are going to miss even more attacks. this is getting so off topic but ill continue to reply i guess ; / they wouldnt need 1 pc, they could just catch up the computer that isnt recording the vod using pause or x2 often. they wouldnt be streaming it live either so they would have time to edit and redo it if mistakes are made. | ||
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Dracid
United States280 Posts
SC2Con clearly thinks that they have leverage over NASL here, and to be honest I think they're right. Without Koreans NASL will lose viewers and subscribers; a significant amount if I'm not mistaken. Even if they are morally correct, I wonder if the loss in revenue would be enough to offset what it would've cost them to agree to the Koreans' demands in the first place. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 04:36 Dracid wrote: Regardless of who's to blame for the situation, I'm not sure this is a good business decision on the part of NASL. SC2Con clearly thinks that they have leverage over NASL here, and to be honest I think they're right. Without Koreans NASL will lose viewers and subscribers; a significant amount if I'm not mistaken. Even if they are morally correct, I wonder if the loss in revenue would be enough to offset what it would've cost them to agree to the Koreans' demands in the first place. But don't you think that by giving into SC2Con's demands, it PROVES to them that they have leverage over NASL? So what makes you think their demands will stay the same? What makes you think that tomorrow they won't be demanding business class tickets and 5 start hotels? I'm not saying they would, but what I am saying is that they could, and are encouraged to if NASL doesn't make a stand. Also, can NASL afford their demands even if they wanted to? If IPL is losing money and MLG is barely making it, what makes people think NASL is rolling in dough? | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 04:30 Vul wrote: I don't understand why they just didn't take 16,000$ out of the overall prize pool and give every player an extra $1000 towards travel expenses in addition to what they're already doing. Wouldn't an extra 1k be enough? Maybe the winning player makes $40,000 instead of $50,000, and so on, but that's better than the tournament being essentially neutered. Well, because, there's 30 other players in the league who have signed contracts saying that there will be a 100,000 prize pool. For NASL to do that would mean breaching 30 of their own contracts. I think it's neither fair nor professional to do that. | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 02:17 Longshank wrote: So why NASL and not Dreamhack? That's the million dollar question. That's why I'm still on these forums, waiting for some answer from SC2Con...all I want to know is why and what their logic is, because at the moment, it doesn't seem to make sense. All I see right now is either a committee who is looking out after their players but is thinking short-term, or a committee who saw a chance to hard-ball and failed. I hope neither of those is true, because if it is, then my respect for Korean management plummets and I will support every major Korean player to sign with foreign teams asap. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 14 2011 02:56 Medrea wrote: Try to read the OP a little bit more. Then compare it to events like dreamhack and such where much less support is garnered anyway. They don't have the possibility of sending 16 Koreans to Dreamhack etc. When it's a real possibility that a large number of your players could have to go to the US, you want that cost covered. NASL offered a 60 day lag of $2000. Let me know when you find an airline and hotel that will take their payment up to 60 days after the service. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On August 14 2011 04:33 Myles wrote: And reducing the prize pool is fair to all the non-koreans? You can't say you have xx prize pool, and then after everyone agrees, change it because one party decided it didn't like the rules after the fact. Who decides what's fair? Is it fair that people bought passes to watch this league, thinking that Koreans from Korean teams would be there, but they won't be? Is it fair that it will cost S. Koreans more to come to this tournament than it would a US player, despite the fact that almost all of the good play is in Korea? A lot of things are unfair, that's how the world is. And it's not one party, I just checked and it looks like it's about 16 parties, which is a good amount of the league. Those 16 parties bring quite a lot of viewers to this tournament. So I guess you can do what seems fair, whatever you think that means, or you can put on a great tournament. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On August 14 2011 05:11 whateverpeeps wrote: Well, because, there's 30 other players in the league who have signed contracts saying that there will be a 100,000 prize pool. For NASL to do that would mean breaching 30 of their own contracts. I think it's neither fair nor professional to do that. Okay, well if they state the exact amount of the prize pool in the contracts then I'm sure they could renegotiate. And I never said that they should only give travel money to the Koreans, what they could do is give it to everyone in the RO16, like a prize, but make the overall prize pool somewhat smaller. It honestly seems really simple: Increase the prize for making it to the RO16, so that everyone can afford to come, but reduce some of the later prizes in order to afford it. I don't know why they don't do that anyway, since its such a global event. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 14 2011 05:18 aksfjh wrote: They don't have the possibility of sending 16 Koreans to Dreamhack etc. When it's a real possibility that a large number of your players could have to go to the US, you want that cost covered. NASL offered a 60 day lag of $2000. Let me know when you find an airline and hotel that will take their payment up to 60 days after the service. I think that's just the cost of admission at that point though. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 05:18 aksfjh wrote: NASL offered a 60 day lag of $2000. Let me know when you find an airline and hotel that will take their payment up to 60 days after the service. Where did you get this information from? It's 60 day lag for refunding season 1 security deposits and giving prize money (which is really short). I didn't read anything about 60 day lag for the travel expenses. | ||
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