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I'm sorry about my title to SC2Korean team. It actually SC2Team organazation's opinion. So It may not contain all team's opinion(ex Slayers, FXO) but actually it's close to opinion of SC2Teams
Are you serious? This is NOT an official opinion from SC2team organisation.
THIS IS MERELY A COLUMN WRITTEN BY A REPORTER IN THISISGAME.COM.
This is very misleading. People will think this hugely biased (and somewhat potentially offending) opinion is the official opnion of SC2CON.
대체 무슨생각으로 쓰신지는 모르겠는데, 상황을 악화시킬만하게 (발)번역하셨네요.
디스이스게임의 칼럼써놓고 무슨 협의회 의견인양 써노시네 -.-
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On August 12 2011 18:38 alexhard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:35 ineq wrote:
I'm almost willing to go as far as to say that it is slightly disgusting how Korean proteams expect everything to be handed to them on a silver plate. $1k is ALOT to invest, it's $16k for every finals event that they hand out to the players, in addition to their huge prizepool. Koreans are thinking to highly of themselves. Guess it's from their BroodWar background. *waving hands* SC2 is not Korean BW!
Teams should invest in sending their players to events, they get TONS of exposure, especially the Koreans, who most of the times plague the top positions with their presence. They are the best and most popular players in the world. MLG went from nothing to superstars with the GOM agreement (just look at the "recordbraking viewers" after each MLG lately). Simply put, they have sufficient leverage for this sort of request. It's the same reason F1 teams get a larger cut of the broadcast money the higher they place in the manufacturer's championship.
The event NaNiwa won had no Koreans in it, and it was so packed people had to sit on the floor, or stand up watching the whole tournament. MLG is not blowing up because of the Koreans, it's blowing up because of SC2. Sure the exchange program is helping along the way. But i don't think the Koreans should be able to take the scene in their own hands and do whatever they want, just because they are popular.
Ignorance. One word.
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On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go.
If that was the case, it's fine, but then they shouldn't have signed up in the first place and waited until NASL already started filming the season to let them know their backing out.
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On August 12 2011 18:15 Sneakyz wrote:
I'm kind of curious how 1500 $(if you include the prizepool change) can't be enough to cover the expenses of a few days in the US. That's about the same as my brother spent at travel and food for a week at the canary islands.
It might be enough, but people need to pay it out of their own pockets, which they do not like. They think it is unfair compared to the people who live close by. Additionally, Koreans are used to tournaments who pay flight/hotels for the participants, that's just how it goes there.
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On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go.
Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more.
Please think before you post.
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On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T
Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''.
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On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post.
But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? What's the difference between those and NASL?
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On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''.
Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo.
On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc?
Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money.
The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups.
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i dont know about the pool play
but it was a shame how they handled the offline tournament (well its online but you know what i mean)
sure the games were great as they had a bunch of koreans playing.. but imagine someone like boxer comming to america just to play a bo3 and loose out against ogsmc
for 0 dollars and a lot of expense.. its just a bad deal for koreans overall
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It's obviously a plot to slow down the foreign scene, it's getting to big and Korea is not benefiting enough. That's more or less how it comes out looking.
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On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go.
That maybe true, but Korean teams' stated demands according to both NASL's post and TIG article were: 1) security deposit gone 2) travel expenses covered.
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On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post.
You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete evenly. You can't make assumptions and use personal anecdotes like that. If the Koreans say the conditions are too bad for them, you can't really tell them it's not. Follow your own advice and think before you post.
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Considering they are sending their players everywhere else, it does seem that one of the most important thing about Korean progamers is about the treatment at the live event. It is very important that they are able to maintain their condition and not get distracted by anything else other than the game. The article makes it sound that the thing that bothers a lot of people especially Boxer is how neglected they were during the live event. It makes sense now because Boxer said that he was able to enjoy MLG very much unlike his previous foreign event. Now we know that referred to NASL. Although it was said that boxer withdrew from similar reasons, It seems unlikely that the issue with Boxer is about the stipends to be honest especially since boxer withdrew long time ago.
I admire Milkis more and more after this "incident" We can see that his role is very crucial in ensuring that the Koreans are battle-ready in a foreign place. This is very similar to sport and music stars before a game or a concert. They need to be at their comfort zone. This is especially important to them more than anything else.
But the sad thing is, unlike Boxer, SC2CON withdrew extremely late. They already knew about the terms and conditions but tried to push for better conditions instead of withdrawing immediately once they were not satisfied ( like Boxer did). This created extremely unfortunate situation for NASL.
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On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups.
Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL?
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On August 12 2011 19:05 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete. You can't make assumptions and personal anecdotes like that. Follow your own advice and think before you post.
So you are going to tell me that it is difficult to wake up at 4-5a.m once a week for 10 weeks? Sorry I live in the real world, and to most others that isn't very hard to do. And do you honestly believe that the coaches will force them to practice through the night so that they get little to no sleep? Yeah, I like to use logic before making personal assumptions, but thanks for the advice.
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On August 12 2011 18:38 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:35 ineq wrote:
I'm almost willing to go as far as to say that it is slightly disgusting how Korean proteams expect everything to be handed to them on a silver plate. $1k is ALOT to invest, it's $16k for every finals event that they hand out to the players, in addition to their huge prizepool. Koreans are thinking to highly of themselves. Guess it's from their BroodWar background. *waving hands* SC2 is not Korean BW!
Teams should invest in sending their players to events, they get TONS of exposure, especially the Koreans, who most of the times plague the top positions with their presence. you are right. 1k is alot to invest. to both side. Why should korean team should be participating then? Especially knowing they haven't been happy with the conditions and the fact that they havent recieved the money from season 1 yet.
If they do not want to participate, that is fine. But bitching about rules that were known before the tournament is strange. And not reading the rules, not speaking English, not understanding what the rules mean for them are not valid excuses. The sense of entitlement is rather annoying. If they actually are so essential for the success of NASL then NASL will fail without them, if not then not, but it is ultimately the decision of NASL what the rules will be.
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On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL?
Did those tournaments take 3 months of waking up at odd hours and a security deposit to compete in?
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On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL?
... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool.
A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post.
I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about.
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On August 12 2011 19:07 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? Did those tournaments take 3 months of waking up at odd hours and a security deposit to compete in?
Sorry. I think we misunderstood each other. We both didn't read each other's posts carefully. Basically, we have similar opinions. Peace. 
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On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:05 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete. You can't make assumptions and personal anecdotes like that. Follow your own advice and think before you post. So you are going to tell me that it is difficult to wake up at 4-5a.m once a week for 10 weeks? Sorry I live in the real world, and to most others that isn't very hard to do.
You're not living in a world where you're competing for a living. Yes, waking up at 4-5AM for possibly no reward, not knowing whether my opponent is even going to show up, and competing in a latency-ridden environment does sound hard for me. Sounds more like you live in a world where you think you can just make big assumptions on other people's experience that you really have no idea about. Because, surprise, the real world doesn't work like that.
On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:And do you honestly believe that the coaches will force them to practice through the night so that they get little to no sleep? Yeah, I like to use logic before making personal assumptions, but thanks for the advice.
Never said that the coaches would force them to practice. And if you like using logic so much, please start doing it more. But you're welcome, I'm always here to give out obvious advice to the uninformed.
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