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On August 12 2011 19:09 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? ... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool. A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post. I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about.
yeah. Fair enough.
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On August 12 2011 19:07 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? Did those tournaments take 3 months of waking up at odd hours and a security deposit to compete in?
Jesus, stop saying that. They don't wake up for 3 months at odd hours. They wake up ONCE A WEEK at an odd hour, 9 or 10 times. How fkin hard is that? Even I get some bad sleep once a week, and I still wake up early to go to work, and I bet they love playing starcraft more than I love going to work.
The problem lies elsewhere. There is something we don't know. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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On August 12 2011 19:13 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:05 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete. You can't make assumptions and personal anecdotes like that. Follow your own advice and think before you post. So you are going to tell me that it is difficult to wake up at 4-5a.m once a week for 10 weeks? Sorry I live in the real world, and to most others that isn't very hard to do. You're not living in a world where you're competing for a living. Yes, waking up at 4-5AM for possibly no reward, not knowing whether my opponent is even going to show up, and competing in a latency-ridden environment does sound hard for me. Sounds more like you live in a world where you think you can just make big assumptions on other people's experience that you really have no idea about. Because, surprise, the real world doesn't work like that. Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:And do you honestly believe that the coaches will force them to practice through the night so that they get little to no sleep? Yeah, I like to use logic before making personal assumptions, but thanks for the advice. Never said that the coaches would force them to practice. And if you like using logic so much, please start doing it more. But you're welcome, I'm always here to give out obvious advice to the uninformed.
Sorry I didn't know that waking early up once a week to have a shot at qualifying for a $100,000 tournament had more cons than pros. Thanks for enlightening me.
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On August 12 2011 19:16 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:05 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete. You can't make assumptions and personal anecdotes like that. Follow your own advice and think before you post. So you are going to tell me that it is difficult to wake up at 4-5a.m once a week for 10 weeks? Sorry I live in the real world, and to most others that isn't very hard to do. You're not living in a world where you're competing for a living. Yes, waking up at 4-5AM for possibly no reward, not knowing whether my opponent is even going to show up, and competing in a latency-ridden environment does sound hard for me. Sounds more like you live in a world where you think you can just make big assumptions on other people's experience that you really have no idea about. Because, surprise, the real world doesn't work like that. On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:And do you honestly believe that the coaches will force them to practice through the night so that they get little to no sleep? Yeah, I like to use logic before making personal assumptions, but thanks for the advice. Never said that the coaches would force them to practice. And if you like using logic so much, please start doing it more. But you're welcome, I'm always here to give out obvious advice to the uninformed. Sorry I didn't know that waking early up once a week to have a shot at qualifying for a $100,000 tournament had more cons than pros. Thanks for enlightening me.
You're welcome.
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On August 12 2011 19:16 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:05 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete. You can't make assumptions and personal anecdotes like that. Follow your own advice and think before you post. So you are going to tell me that it is difficult to wake up at 4-5a.m once a week for 10 weeks? Sorry I live in the real world, and to most others that isn't very hard to do. You're not living in a world where you're competing for a living. Yes, waking up at 4-5AM for possibly no reward, not knowing whether my opponent is even going to show up, and competing in a latency-ridden environment does sound hard for me. Sounds more like you live in a world where you think you can just make big assumptions on other people's experience that you really have no idea about. Because, surprise, the real world doesn't work like that. On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:And do you honestly believe that the coaches will force them to practice through the night so that they get little to no sleep? Yeah, I like to use logic before making personal assumptions, but thanks for the advice. Never said that the coaches would force them to practice. And if you like using logic so much, please start doing it more. But you're welcome, I'm always here to give out obvious advice to the uninformed. Sorry I didn't know that waking early up once a week to have a shot at qualifying for a $100,000 tournament had more cons than pros. Thanks for enlightening me.
Peace. I like the words: '' As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle. ''
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On August 12 2011 19:18 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:16 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:05 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. You can't make the assumption that the schedule isn't a big deal for Koreans. Just because you can have that kind of schedule doesn't mean the Koreans can and compete. You can't make assumptions and personal anecdotes like that. Follow your own advice and think before you post. So you are going to tell me that it is difficult to wake up at 4-5a.m once a week for 10 weeks? Sorry I live in the real world, and to most others that isn't very hard to do. You're not living in a world where you're competing for a living. Yes, waking up at 4-5AM for possibly no reward, not knowing whether my opponent is even going to show up, and competing in a latency-ridden environment does sound hard for me. Sounds more like you live in a world where you think you can just make big assumptions on other people's experience that you really have no idea about. Because, surprise, the real world doesn't work like that. On August 12 2011 19:07 superbabosheki wrote:And do you honestly believe that the coaches will force them to practice through the night so that they get little to no sleep? Yeah, I like to use logic before making personal assumptions, but thanks for the advice. Never said that the coaches would force them to practice. And if you like using logic so much, please start doing it more. But you're welcome, I'm always here to give out obvious advice to the uninformed. Sorry I didn't know that waking early up once a week to have a shot at qualifying for a $100,000 tournament had more cons than pros. Thanks for enlightening me. You're welcome.
Beauty sleep is expensive these days.
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so the koreans want to be treated like kings and dont use any money. I agree that how NASL runs their broadcast is a bad system but the attitude the koreans are showing just makes them look arrogant
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On August 12 2011 19:09 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? ... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool. A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post. I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about.
Talk about getting a clue, your post is riddled with irony.
This is not about the money, this is about the horrific conditions and the weak production of the NASL. Sc2con are fed up with the lack of business ethics on the part of the NASL, which is why they refused their players to join in the NASL.
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On August 12 2011 19:09 superbabosheki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? ... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool. A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post. I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about.
You mean the security deposit which haven't been paid back to the players who stuck to the rules?
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On August 12 2011 19:15 iRRelevance wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:07 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? Did those tournaments take 3 months of waking up at odd hours and a security deposit to compete in? Jesus, stop saying that. They don't wake up for 3 months at odd hours. They wake up ONCE A WEEK at an odd hour, 9 or 10 times. How fkin hard is that? Even I get some bad sleep once a week, and I still wake up early to go to work, and I bet they love playing starcraft more than I love going to work. The problem lies elsewhere. There is something we don't know. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I agree, waking up at a different hour once a week is not too bad.
When i worked in munich and my GF lived in flensburg (1200km distance) i went to the train every friday after work, travel to her and get to sleep around 5am, then on sunday i went to the train at 10pm, traveled through the night (usually couldn't sleep in the trains) and went directly from the train to work at around 8am. It was a nuisance, but messing up the sleep schedule once a week is not too bad.
Some people here make it sound like the koreans have to stay up all night just to play and can't just go to bed 2 hours earlier or as if the korean participants have to basically live on the US timezones.
Anyways, i have the feeling that there is a lot going on behind the scenes of which we are not aware.
+ Show Spoiler +Conspiracy theories: 1. GOM forcing sc2con to use it's power to stop koreans from participating in the NASL because they want to kill all other leagues to be the only starcraft 2 league. 2. NASL trying to prevent koreans from entering because they want to have a foreigner-only league but can't say so openly. 3. Kespa secretly took over sc2con and wants to kill SC2 in favour of BW. 4. NASL denied boxer a throne of solid gold to sit on while waiting for his games, so the emperor ordered sc2con to force NASL to give in with the added requirement that Jessica gets a second throne so they can sit on the main stage together while observing the games. 5. incontrol trolled Mr. Chae and he still holds a grudge and mistranslates all messages between NASL and sc2con. They are actually agreeing but think the other side is not because of Mr. Chaes sinister plans. + Show Spoiler +
Just kidding of course :p
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On August 12 2011 19:28 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:09 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? ... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool. A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post. I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about. You mean the security deposit which haven't been paid back to the players who stuck to the rules?
I mean the security deposit that is going to definitely be paid back.
On August 12 2011 19:28 Misanthrophic13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:09 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? ... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool. A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post. I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about. Talk about getting a clue, your post is riddled with irony. This is not about the money, this is about the horrific conditions and the weak production of the NASL. Sc2con are fed up with the lack of business ethics on the part of the NASL, which is why they refused their players to join in the NASL.
1. waking up at a odd time once a week is not a horrific condtion
2. the production has vastly improved and the community generally approves of it, the NASL finals were probably the best SC2 finals we've ever seen
3. I bet you can't name a single well informed example of a questionable business ethic.
Hence me saying people have no clue what they are talking about.
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On August 12 2011 19:25 Skilledblob wrote:
so the koreans want to be treated like kings and dont use any money. I agree that how NASL runs their broadcast is a bad system but the attitude the koreans are showing just makes them look arrogant
Your ignorance of the subject is so overwhelming, stop the false dichotomy.
Please research both sides of the argument before making an informed decision.
NASL has failed miserably and SC2con doesn't even want contact with them.
It isn't about the money, it's more about the horrid conditions, the unfair latency advantage, the poor production of the NASL in general. It pales when compared to the GSL. The big loser here is the NASL for losing Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Lebron James. Have fun watching Mike Bibby.
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On August 12 2011 19:15 iRRelevance wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:07 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? Did those tournaments take 3 months of waking up at odd hours and a security deposit to compete in? Jesus, stop saying that. They don't wake up for 3 months at odd hours. They wake up ONCE A WEEK at an odd hour, 9 or 10 times. How fkin hard is that? Even I get some bad sleep once a week, and I still wake up early to go to work, and I bet they love playing starcraft more than I love going to work. The problem lies elsewhere. There is something we don't know. As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I'd say it's down to the sum of all problems stated. That is, the playing conditions being far from ideal, the deposit, the cost of travel and so on. Personally, if I was a guy like for instance Tassadar I'd love the chance to participate in NASL. The top players from code A make basically no money, and qualifying for code S is very difficult, and succeedeing in no way guarantees you a significant amount of money. Sure these guys would have to make sacrificies to participate in NASL, but with the best koreans not there the worst that could happen is that they win a paid trip to the US, which is worth more than the winner of code A nets. And then they have a decent shot at 10-50k for placing in the top3. Sounds more promising than battling it out with 32 very good players for 1500 bucks and chance to qualify for code S.
With that being said I don't really understand the drama that's being made over this, it was a simple negotiation and the koreans thought that the current conditions were not worth it, and if they think so it's their loss in the end. As someone mentioned, the koreans won more than $80k at the last event, seems to me like it would have been worth taking the chance of spending a few bob to have a shot at a 100k prizepool, even with the lag issues and time difference. Hell, I recall back in the day when a Swedish CS-team got screwed over by their manager and had no sponsorship for their trip to a CPL Dallas event with something like 50k for first place. They paid around $15k out of their own pockets to participate and ended up winning in the end.
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On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket.
Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000??
You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it.
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On August 12 2011 18:54 Haze.884 wrote:Show nested quote +
I'm sorry about my title to SC2Korean team. It actually SC2Team organazation's opinion. So It may not contain all team's opinion(ex Slayers, FXO) but actually it's close to opinion of SC2Teams Are you serious? This is NOT an official opinion from SC2team organisation. THIS IS MERELY A COLUMN WRITTEN BY A REPORTER IN THISISGAME.COM.This is very misleading. People will think this hugely biased (and somewhat potentially offending) opinion is the official opnion of SC2CON. ๋์ฒด ๋ฌด์จ์๊ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ์ ์ง๋ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋๋ฐ, ์ํฉ์ ์
ํ์ํฌ๋งํ๊ฒ (๋ฐ)๋ฒ์ญํ์
จ๋ค์. ๋์ค์ด์ค๊ฒ์์ ์นผ๋ผ์จ๋๊ณ ๋ฌด์จ ํ์ํ ์๊ฒฌ์ธ์ ์จ๋
ธ์๋ค -.-
Did anyone read this?
Did anyone bother to check the source of the OP's translation?
Can anyone post a link to the source in question and verify that the OP's translation comes directly from SC2con? The OP has no link to the original Korean article. Otherwise we've been discussing a bunch of text someone random (with 3 posts) posted.
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On August 12 2011 19:32 Misanthrophic13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:25 Skilledblob wrote:
so the koreans want to be treated like kings and dont use any money. I agree that how NASL runs their broadcast is a bad system but the attitude the koreans are showing just makes them look arrogant Your ignorance of the subject is so overwhelming, stop the false dichotomy. Please research both sides of the argument before making an informed decision. NASL has failed miserably and SC2con doesn't even want contact with them. It isn't about the money, it's more about the horrid conditions, the unfair latency advantage, the poor production of the NASL in general. It pales when compared to the GSL. The big loser here is the NASL for losing Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Lebron James. Have fun watching Mike Bibby.
of course it is about money. Horrible conditions my ass you cant tell me that taking a nap around mid day so you can play 1 bo3 later in the night is a horrible condition. Unfair latency is bullshit too, if that were really an issue then tell me why the koreans still managed to win most of their games. But I can allready guess that you will tell me that they are demigods who cant lose.
And like I said I dont like how NASL is run either but dont try to make up stupid reasons when the only real reason is money.
And the only ones losing here are the players that wanted to participate.
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Why can't they make it so some of the matches are played dirt early for NA sometimes? If it's so damn simple as you say, it shouldn't be a problem. And to make it fair, everyone should pay into some pot that goes to pay for all the players. I mean, it should be fair?
No. It causes more stress in every way for the Koreans, and I fully understand if they don't want to bother with it. Not that it's a big issue for me, got enough SC2 through GSL and the MLG/IEM now and then. Better production-value and casters.
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On August 12 2011 19:41 Fangzhou wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket. Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000?? You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it.
Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses.
And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it.
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On August 12 2011 19:42 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 18:54 Haze.884 wrote:
I'm sorry about my title to SC2Korean team. It actually SC2Team organazation's opinion. So It may not contain all team's opinion(ex Slayers, FXO) but actually it's close to opinion of SC2Teams Are you serious? This is NOT an official opinion from SC2team organisation. THIS IS MERELY A COLUMN WRITTEN BY A REPORTER IN THISISGAME.COM.This is very misleading. People will think this hugely biased (and somewhat potentially offending) opinion is the official opnion of SC2CON. ๋์ฒด ๋ฌด์จ์๊ฐ์ผ๋ก ์ฐ์ ์ง๋ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋๋ฐ, ์ํฉ์ ์
ํ์ํฌ๋งํ๊ฒ (๋ฐ)๋ฒ์ญํ์
จ๋ค์. ๋์ค์ด์ค๊ฒ์์ ์นผ๋ผ์จ๋๊ณ ๋ฌด์จ ํ์ํ ์๊ฒฌ์ธ์ ์จ๋
ธ์๋ค -.- Did anyone read this? Did anyone bother to check the source of the OP's translation? Can anyone post a link to the source in question and verify that the OP's translation comes directly from SC2con? The OP has no link to the original Korean article. Otherwise we've been discussing a bunch of text someone random (with 3 posts) posted.
it does NOT come from sc2con, it's a column written by a reporter as haze said.
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13439&id=736266
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MLG, Dreamhack etc are all much better organized and require much less of a time investment to play in than NASL.
With so many events going on and the koreans being invited to all of them it makes sense that you have to prioritize, you cant have your players flying around the world all the time.
MLG has a partnership with GOM to ensure no schedule conflicts, they only do LAN play, and playing in a tournament ensures you a better chance at the next MLG (if you do well)
I don't see how NASL can compete.
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