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On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust.
You may not realize this, but *gasp* it IS possible to schedule games at times that are tolerable for BOTH players involved. AMAZING!
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On August 12 2011 20:24 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:15 Kemy wrote:On August 12 2011 19:47 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:41 Fangzhou wrote:On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket. Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000?? You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it. Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses. And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it. It may be only a 1000 dollar stipend but if you're a player that decides whether to participate in a tournament or not from a cost/income point of view you have to consider prize money as well. If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it Honestly, I'd prefer players getting paid through prize money only which is equal for every player participating in the tournament than paying different sums to cover travel costs depending on where players come from. I don't see why Koreans should be treated better than anyone else. Europeans and even North Americans may have high travel costs too depending on where they live and (as far as I understand) they don't get as much money. Waking up a little bit early isn't that much of a deal and how is NASL supposed to fix latency disadvantages -.- You are, in my opinion, right. For the most part. I don't agree with "If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it". Teams are in place to make sure players show up at events and promote their sponsors, why else would someone sponsor a team? They are given money by companies to make sure that their players promote these companies, use that money for this purpose. I've said this earlier aswell but; If the Korean teams don't have enough money to send their players, well then that sucks. But no blame should be put on the organizers, in this case the NASL. As for schedule; how is waking up at 3-4am ONCE a week when you're OCCUPATION is playing sc2 hard or inconvinient? Adjust your sleeping schedule to that of someone who is working a fulltime job and it's not even noticable. How is it not worth it? I have a really hard time understanding the logic, feels more like excuses because they want the NASL to pay their trips. Or, they just do not understand how the rest of the world works over there in their little bubble. Which i've felt many times before.
Prize Money doesn't work that way.
AFAIK. The current model of teams/players, players always keep ALL prize money. The only income teams get are from sponsorships and other deals. Basically even if players got first prize in NASL, the team is still losing out, they just can't provide that kind of cash when all their sponsors are local Korean sponsors who really don't care about getting their name to the international community.
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On August 12 2011 20:25 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust. You may not realize this, but *gasp* it IS possible to schedule games at times that are tolerable for BOTH players involved. AMAZING!
But guess what? NASL don't. They don't even try. They have a set scheduled time and thats it, they don't vary depending on what locations/regions/countries/timezones players are currently residing in.
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On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust.
No, decent korean times are not intolerable for the others, that's just silly. If playing in the evening in the US makes koreans play at 4am, pushing the time back 4 hours would mean americans would still play at a good time and koreans at midnight. It's not like you have to play at 4am KST or 4am US time. 4am is probally the worst time possible, making it a few hours later would be a huge improvement, making it a few hours earlier would be a huge improvement. Unless you believe anything but that exact time is intolerable for americans, I don't see how you could say that.
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On August 12 2011 20:15 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote:
I might be missing something, but why is it so tough to schedule games with Koreans on normal times anyway?
KO vs EU, let them play in EU morning, which is KO evening.
US vs KO, let them play in KO morning, which is US evening
US vs EU, let them play in US morning, which is EU evening.
That way nobody has to play during night hours, for every 2 spots in the world there's always a time of the day people at both spots are awake, even if the time difference is 12 hours, since you only sleep 8 on average? -If they want to commentate the games while they are happening then the commentators and staff would have to stay up 24 h a day -If they want to make it all live: The players could be cheating -If they want to cast it from replays: lower viewership because it just feels not as exciting. The solution in my opinion: 3*2 casters world wide: 2 commentators in NA 2 commentators in EU 2 commentators in Korea (or that timezone) They will cast it live and send the file to NASL HQ where they can edit it. That way the NA-NASL stuff doesn't have to be up 24h/day and the Koreans can play the games on good times
Ultimately, the player's schedules should take priority. If you're holding a tournament involving international players, you have to accommodate them in some way. And the excuse of the games not being live is crap. The broadcast already isn't even live, so it doesn't really matter. And replay-casted tournaments like TSL and IPL (? not sure about this) do just fine.
On August 12 2011 20:27 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:25 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust. You may not realize this, but *gasp* it IS possible to schedule games at times that are tolerable for BOTH players involved. AMAZING! But guess what? NASL don't. They don't even try. They have a set scheduled time and thats it, they don't vary depending on what locations/regions/countries/timezones players are currently residing in.
Yeah, and it's something that NASL should have definitely changed to accommodate the Koreans players, having the games played at reasonable times for them.
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On August 12 2011 20:25 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:08 Jibba wrote:On August 12 2011 19:31 superbabosheki wrote:
1. waking up at a odd time once a week is not a horrific condtion
If it's difficult, and it begins to affect their performance in other tournaments, then dropping out seems like a wise option. I think no one can argue against that, but how the drop out happened, was, to put it frankly, without any form of respect and in a hostile manner.
Agreed completely.
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On August 12 2011 20:28 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust. No, decent korean times are not intolerable for the others, that's just silly. If playing in the evening in the US makes koreans play at 4am, pushing the time back 4 hours would mean americans would still play at a good time and koreans at midnight. It's not like you have to play at 4am KST or 4am US time. 4am is probally the worst time possible, making it a few hours later would be a huge improvement, making it a few hours earlier would be a huge improvement. Unless you believe anything but that exact time is intolerable for americans, I don't see how you could say that.
The problem is that they cast games in succession (which is what led to them spoiling their own games during casts), so directly after an AM-KR match, there might be an AM-EU or EU-KR match. There is not time that will be suitable for every group.
Again, this is the result of NASL's casting system. It's strange because they actually made exceptions to this in situations where there were different caster teams, but apparently adjust the times is too much.
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On August 12 2011 20:35 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:28 SKC wrote:On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust. No, decent korean times are not intolerable for the others, that's just silly. If playing in the evening in the US makes koreans play at 4am, pushing the time back 4 hours would mean americans would still play at a good time and koreans at midnight. It's not like you have to play at 4am KST or 4am US time. 4am is probally the worst time possible, making it a few hours later would be a huge improvement, making it a few hours earlier would be a huge improvement. Unless you believe anything but that exact time is intolerable for americans, I don't see how you could say that. The problem is that they cast games in succession (which is what led to them spoiling their own games during casts), so directly after an AM-KR match, there might be an AM-EU or EU-KR match. There is not time that will be suitable for every group. Again, this is the result of NASL's casting system.
Sounds like a bad system that should be changed. Unfortunately, NASL doesn't seem to be willing to make such obvious changes.
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Why can't they just cast the group matches from replays then? At worst we'd have sync issues. It's not like the current system provides any real benefits other than the casters being oblivious about who won.
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On August 12 2011 20:35 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:28 SKC wrote:On August 12 2011 20:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust. No, decent korean times are not intolerable for the others, that's just silly. If playing in the evening in the US makes koreans play at 4am, pushing the time back 4 hours would mean americans would still play at a good time and koreans at midnight. It's not like you have to play at 4am KST or 4am US time. 4am is probally the worst time possible, making it a few hours later would be a huge improvement, making it a few hours earlier would be a huge improvement. Unless you believe anything but that exact time is intolerable for americans, I don't see how you could say that. The problem is that they cast games in succession (which is what led to them spoiling their own games during casts), so directly after an AM-KR match, there might be an AM-EU or EU-KR match. There is not time that will be suitable for every group. Again, this is the result of NASL's casting system. It's strange because they actually made exceptions to this in situations where there were different caster teams, but apparently adjust the times is too much.
Yes, I know that they would have to change the system, but that should be a good thing. I don't understand what's that great about the current system. I was responding more to the fact that stating that making it better for the koreans would make the time intorelable for everyone else is just plain silly. It's a matter of organization, but not because of the timezones. Koreans themselfs said they liked the way other tournaments ran it much better, and I don't think we as spectators even noticed that many benefits on the system NASL uses.
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On August 12 2011 16:55 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
I'm going to have to side with NASL on this one.
All the Korean complaints are reasonable, but it looks like they waited until NASL season 2 was all set up before they made their demands. They tried to get as much leverage as they can:
- grouping up as a unit under SC2CON
- qualifying their players for NASL season 2, meaning it would be a big burden to NASL to lose all these players
All their complaints are publicly known for a while now. If they had made the negotiations before season 2 qualifiers, they knew they would have a lot less leverage.
Gonna have to side with the Koreans on this one...They complained during preparation for season 2. It's not like they were playing and stopped mid season. If NASL had actually bothered to get a contract hammered out when it needed to get done, the Koreans would have no leverage at all. Signing up for qualifiers only means you committed $5 or $10 for the entrance fee. Whether or not you wish to play is still your call. It's up to the organizers to get you a contract and/or have contingencies should players be unable to play for whatever reason.
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Thx for the link, I ended up watching the whole video (2 parts).
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On August 12 2011 20:24 ineq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:15 Kemy wrote:On August 12 2011 19:47 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:41 Fangzhou wrote:On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket. Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000?? You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it. Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses. And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it. It may be only a 1000 dollar stipend but if you're a player that decides whether to participate in a tournament or not from a cost/income point of view you have to consider prize money as well. If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it Honestly, I'd prefer players getting paid through prize money only which is equal for every player participating in the tournament than paying different sums to cover travel costs depending on where players come from. I don't see why Koreans should be treated better than anyone else. Europeans and even North Americans may have high travel costs too depending on where they live and (as far as I understand) they don't get as much money. Waking up a little bit early isn't that much of a deal and how is NASL supposed to fix latency disadvantages -.- You are, in my opinion, right. For the most part. I don't agree with "If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it". Teams are in place to make sure players show up at events and promote their sponsors, why else would someone sponsor a team? They are given money by companies to make sure that their players promote these companies, use that money for this purpose. I've said this earlier aswell but; If the Korean teams don't have enough money to send their players, well then that sucks. But no blame should be put on the organizers, in this case the NASL. As for schedule; how is waking up at 3-4am ONCE a week when you're OCCUPATION is playing sc2 hard or inconvinient? Adjust your sleeping schedule to that of someone who is working a fulltime job and it's not even noticable. How is it not worth it? I have a really hard time understanding the logic, feels more like excuses because they want the NASL to pay their trips. Or, they just do not understand how the rest of the world works over there in their little bubble. Which i've felt many times before.
If I gave you the opportunity to wake up at 3 AM once a week so you could do work, and I would pay you at a standard rate. Based on your performance, you would have the opportunity to get more money. However, there is a small chance that your work server may be down during these times and you would have to sit there for several hours waiting for it to come back up. Would you take this opportunity?
I definitely would not. The koreans are already practicing 10+ hours a day. Waking up at 3 AM just to play a game is tiring and to them it's not worth it. So they have decided to not participate. I don't see how this is a "they just do not understand how the rest of the world works". I'm pretty sure they practice the most in the world.
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On August 12 2011 20:25 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 20:08 Jibba wrote:On August 12 2011 19:31 superbabosheki wrote:
1. waking up at a odd time once a week is not a horrific condtion
If it's difficult, and it begins to affect their performance in other tournaments, then dropping out seems like a wise option. I think no one can argue against that, but how the drop out happened, was, to put it frankly, without any form of respect and in a hostile manner.
Apparently the Koreans have been complaining since preparation for season 2 began but things never got finished until they finally said enough is a enough and pulled out. Not sure who to blame more for that but it's not like the Koreans just one day woke up and said, hey, let's be total scumbags and screw NASL out of 30% of their players.
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All of this reminds me of something I read on the TL NASL recap.
I’m sure some players in North America (and Europe, and Latin America) will be inspired to train hard and develop more institutional infrastructure to support Starcraft 2 because of the opportunity to play against Koreans presented by the NASL. (And don’t forget their sponsors, whose players will now be competing in a premiere league broadcast all over the world -- don’t fail to note that as more top Koreans enter the league, the critique that the NASL has a less talented player base loses its relevance.) It’s not that the NASL is becoming a “Korean” league -- it’s becoming a league with great players. For many years, that was synonymous with “Korean,” and due to the structure of the system, it involved physically being in Korea, but not anymore. Rather than work on integrating foreigners into the Korean pro-scene, the NASL addresses the issue from the opposite direction, creating an international league in which Korean pros may play. (Of course, it must be noted that the two approaches are in no way exclusive.) As the NASL develops, it’s going to provide an opportunity for the potential development of great players from all around the world. Which will lead to a larger and better developed Starcraft community; isn’t that what we all want?
Shame that was all for nothing.
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I think this post needs to be highlighted for everyone to see.
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On August 12 2011 19:28 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:09 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 19:06 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 19:00 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:58 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:51 superbabosheki wrote:
Are they really serious? In Korea they get to play in a tournament once a month, where the majority of players will end up getting little to no money(ro32 code s, all of code a). NASL is offering a chance at $50,0000 over a 3 day weekend while guaranteeing $2000(already higher than winning code A), for participating in a league where you play early in the day once a week.
The Koreans that make it to the finals are given a realistic shot of making really good money, gaining exposure, being given the opportunity to travel and meet a huge fanbase, and SC2con is throwing out the most ridiculous demands.
And yet they send Koreans to MLG where first place gives 10% as much as the NASL, and the scheduling is much more grueling/prone to change. There is no investment in flying over to play in the NASL finals, they will pretty much break even no matter what, and getting a percentage deducted from a HUGE prizepool isn't a big deal.
I had no plans to watch the NASL season regardless of this, but this will really discourage me from attending the finals T_T Not ''$50,000 in 3 days'', it is ''the possibility of getting to the finals in 3 months ''. Hey yo, I said "chance at $50K." Hey yo, it's not 3 months, it's 10 days of play. Hey yo, try fact checking yo. On August 12 2011 19:00 bearhug wrote:On August 12 2011 18:57 superbabosheki wrote:On August 12 2011 18:52 bearhug wrote:
I find that most people think that the Koreans are not satisfied with the amount of money NASL provide for their traveling.
Many peope are doing the math and trying to figure out something. But money is not the key part. Even if NASL double the amount of money offered to the Koreans ($2000 x 2 = $4000), I still doubt that they would participate. Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc, not because those tournament provided more traveling fund or prize money than NASL, but because those did not cost them too much time and energy.
People forget that you have to wake up in the very early morning for each match over the period of 3 months to fighting for the possibility of getting to the finals. It's possible that after playing in horrible conditions for 3 months, you fail to enter the finals and thus get $0. Not to mention that most of them have to prepare for and participate in GSLs and GSTL. And even if you are able to get to the finals, you get $1000 - 1500 prize money 90% of the time ( there are 16 players in the final stage and only one Champion who takes the $40,000).
In a word, it is all because of the set up for NASL, i.e., the 3-month super long season. For Koreans, that would be too much of a commitment. It is neither NASL's fault nor Koreans' fault. It's just that sc2 still has a long way to go. Hey quit bolding three months, it's not a big deal. It's once a week, 10 times total. I had to wake up at 5a.m over the summer to commute to school and I was used to it after the first day. I'm sure they would be allowed to sleep a little early the day before if they wanted to and still get a good amount of sleep. And learn your math, wtf is 90% getting $1000-1500, each time you move up in the bracket you earn a higher amount, which means only 50% would get the lowest amount. Then consider the fact that they are all favored over the foreigners, increasing that percentage even more. Please think before you post. But can you explain why Koreans didn't withdraw from Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, etc? Because they wanted to travel, compete, have a good chance at winning money, and meet fans? Oh wait they can do that at NASL too, with even more money. The only thing NASL really needs to change is their piece of shit tournament system. At the very least they need to implement double elimination, but they SHOULD put players into groups. Did Dreamhack, TSL 3, IEM, CPL, provide them more money than NASL? ... obviously not. $100,000 total prize pool. A security deposit is basically just money that you'll never lose as long as you follow the rules, and they only have to play once a week for ten weeks which is to my knowledge 1x10 = 10 days of play. It's not like they are playing for 3 months straight holy shit people think before you post. I don't even like NASL and I'm having to defend them from people that have no clue what they are talking about. You mean the security deposit which haven't been paid back to the players who stuck to the rules?
And the rules say it will be paid within 60 days after the end of season if I recall NASL statement. Was it 60 days ?
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On August 12 2011 19:47 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:41 Fangzhou wrote:On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket. Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000?? You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it. Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses. And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it.
And what is wrong about using prize money ? That prize money is guaranteed. Your semantic nitpicking is irrelevant.
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On August 12 2011 21:12 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 19:47 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:41 Fangzhou wrote:On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket. Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000?? You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it. Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses. And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it. And what is wrong about using prize money ? That prize money is guaranteed. Your semantic nitpicking is irrelevant.
Because that's using the player's own prize money for expenses. Prize money can't and shouldn't be considered a stipend.
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