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On August 12 2011 21:14 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 21:12 mcc wrote:On August 12 2011 19:47 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 19:41 Fangzhou wrote:On August 12 2011 16:39 LuciferSC wrote:On August 12 2011 16:38 Scereye wrote:
So, the main reason is the cost of tickets/lodging...
First they state $500 = Half the cost of the ticket
When they get offered $1000 Bucks per player (Ticket solved) and an edited prizepool (so every player at grand final gets an additional min. $1000 (solves the lodging i guess...?). And they are still not satisfied?
Sorry but dont come up with arguments, i understand the schedule for the games is horrible for Koreans. But its not like NASL wouldnt pay shit...
Other then that i totally understand the Desicion of the Korean teams. No NASL offered $1000 bucks per player and that's it. They did not offer $2000, as $1000 of that is a part of the prize money that players are supposed to get. Therefore, the other $1000 of that $2000 is money coming out of the player's pocket. And no $1000 does not cover the air flight ticket. Why do so many people say it's only $1000 instead of $2000?? You realize if they don't participate in the tournament, they are not getting the $1000 in prize money anyways... If they withdraw from NASL, they get $0 dollars from NASL. It's a minimum of $2000 more than what they would have gotten from not entering the tournament no matter how you want to look at it. Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses. And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it. And what is wrong about using prize money ? That prize money is guaranteed. Your semantic nitpicking is irrelevant. Because that's using the player's own prize money for expenses. Prize money can't and shouldn't be considered a stipend.
It is not a stipend it is a prize. It is still money that guarantees that if player will decide to participate he(as part of his team) will not be in negative balance after the finals. Yes it can cause some problems in team-player splitting of the costs, but that is problem of the agreement between players and teams, it has no bearing on the fact that the player will have positive balance after the finals.
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i would be happy to see all koreans banned permanently from every future NASL event
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On August 12 2011 21:35 jimbob615 wrote:
i would be happy to see all koreans banned permanently from every future NASL event
Yes, that would be such a mature and reasonable resolution to this situation. How come can someone even consider something like this? Not even mentioning the fact that some koreans are still playing on it.
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Seems fair. NASL isn't as big as MLG or Blizzcon in terms of overall notoriety. And with having to sacrifice so much practice time to travel to USA I'm not surprised Korean teams are withdrawing.
Also just because Korean teams are withdrawing doesn't mean Korean players don't want to participate. There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion...
It's just, the choice was made. NASL is more like IPL now and is that really a bad thing?
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Why the rush to translate? This translation isn't even complete (some points are left out). There are plenty of translators here who take care of SC2 issues and we don't need someone with poor language skills and emotion-induced bias to raise more drama here. I'd suggest people hold their opinion until a better translation is done.
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Why are the Koreans special? Why don't Europeans or Canadians get free travel, free accommodations and free meals?
Heck why don't everyone, even ones in the US get $2000.
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On August 12 2011 21:46 CScythe wrote:
Seems fair. NASL isn't as big as MLG or Blizzcon in terms of overall notoriety. And with having to sacrifice so much practice time to travel to USA I'm not surprised Korean teams are withdrawing.
Also just because Korean teams are withdrawing doesn't mean Korean players don't want to participate. There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion...
It's just, the choice was made. NASL is more like IPL now and is that really a bad thing?
An IPL in which you have to pay for HQ and VODs. And still has Gretorp casting despite so much negative feedback. Yeah, IPL is better at this point.
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I'd side with NASL on this one so far. The Koreans come off whiny. Just say frankly it's not worth it and then be done with it, don't blame NASL.
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Where do they find $1000 flight tickets to America/Canada from Asia? I don't know how much you guys travel but from my experience, it's at least $1500-2000. Then you have to add lodging expenses. Unless the Koreans make some money(2k+) out of it, I can see why they wouldn't want to participate... having to get up in the morning to play games for 10 weeks and then have to pay money out of your pocket at a chance to win.
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I wouldn't care if this came immediately after they received the contracts, which I'm assuming was around the qualifiers (before or after). I have no problem with players denying an invite to the tournament, but going through the qualifiers and waiting to the last second to say "This is sooo unfair!" is a move a 10 year old makes the day before Little League or something.
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The price pool is around 85 000 dollar. Fact is that the biggest chunk of that money will go to Koreans, if this committee would make a "pact" that the 3 best placed Korean would pay the extra cost for the other Koreans who used more than the 2000$ on this trip, then they would end up with a shitload of money for playing SCII. Even compared to GSL.
I hope that a couple Koreans in Korea still want to participate.
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On August 12 2011 22:01 Chill wrote:
I'd side with NASL on this one so far. The Koreans come off whiny. Just say frankly it's not worth it and then be done with it, don't blame NASL.
WHAT?! Koreans unnecessarily xenophobic towards foreign enterprises? WELL I NEVER.
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On August 12 2011 18:50 centinel4 wrote:
To make a comparison to european football UEFA. There should be a central organizations with representatives of every major tournament (at this point ESL, NASL, MLG, GSL among others i might miss) like the UEFA in europe to organize all european leagues.
Coordinate schedules of major events. and play these locally (tournaments for only americans, only europeans and only koreans). then once a month or 2 months play a Champions League, where the top 4 of each league compete. Maybe in europe (more central for everyone unless u are in the West US coast).
I think something like WSCF (World Starcraft Federation) should exist in order to make SC global. otherwise that will not happen or at least not in a large scale.
I would LOVE to see this. With that organization we could have a championship of country teams competing for a "World Cup".
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On August 12 2011 22:42 leakingpear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 22:01 Chill wrote:
I'd side with NASL on this one so far. The Koreans come off whiny. Just say frankly it's not worth it and then be done with it, don't blame NASL. WHAT?! Koreans unnecessarily xenophobic towards foreign enterprises? WELL I NEVER.
Outside of NASL have any Koreans said a single negative thing about their reception or experience in foreign tournaments that they have attended? Were they not all incredibly thankful and said they would love to come back whenever they are invited?
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On August 12 2011 22:01 Chill wrote:
I'd side with NASL on this one so far. The Koreans come off whiny. Just say frankly it's not worth it and then be done with it, don't blame NASL.
My point also.. If they don't want then don't do it.
NASL should have up to ten koreans! There is allready a GSL ffs!
Foreigners versus Koreans is not meant to be 30 Koreans vs 10 foreigners!
Hope they do a new qualifier for all the foreigners plus koreans there are willing to participate!
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What they haven't given back the security deposit?
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On August 12 2011 22:48 Technique wrote:
What they haven't given back the security deposit?
They seem to prefer taking their sweet time in doing so or something.
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On August 12 2011 21:35 jimbob615 wrote:
i would be happy to see all koreans banned permanently from every future NASL event
Go for it and this will most likely be the last NASL event.
well prolly not as i still dont understand where they get their funding for this. w/e last event for me and people who enjoy watching the most skilled players.
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On August 12 2011 22:01 Chill wrote:
I'd side with NASL on this one so far. The Koreans come off whiny. Just say frankly it's not worth it and then be done with it, don't blame NASL.
I agree with Chill. And Id also like all the people who are like "Im not gonna watch the NASL since the koreans arent in it. NASL is stupid now" to please knock it off.
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On August 12 2011 22:58 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 22:01 Chill wrote:
I'd side with NASL on this one so far. The Koreans come off whiny. Just say frankly it's not worth it and then be done with it, don't blame NASL. I agree with Chill. And Id also like all the people who are like "Im not gonna watch the NASL since the koreans arent in it. NASL is stupid now" to please knock it off.
NASL has made questionable decisions since it started. I'll gladly stop posting about it for now but it doesnt change the fact that they are losing MONEY from the many people such as myself who, in the past, were thinking about supporting season 2.
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