EPTTiG Opinion Article on NASL Situation - Page 10
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
KO vs EU, let them play in EU morning, which is KO evening. US vs KO, let them play in KO morning, which is US evening US vs EU, let them play in US morning, which is EU evening. That way nobody has to play during night hours, for every 2 spots in the world there's always a time of the day people at both spots are awake, even if the time difference is 12 hours, since you only sleep 8 on average? | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:54 aka_star wrote: Poor Koreans I hope they manage to figure something out as it'd be a shame for the NASL unless they become an American only tournament then that'd make some more sense. Does the fact that EU and South American players are in the NASL have to be brought up again? | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote: I might be missing something, but why is it so tough to schedule games with Koreans on normal times anyway? KO vs EU, let them play in EU morning, which is KO evening. US vs KO, let them play in KO morning, which is US evening US vs EU, let them play in US morning, which is EU evening. That way nobody has to play during night hours, for every 2 spots in the world there's always a time of the day people at both spots are awake, even if the time difference is 12 hours, since you only sleep 8 on average? For some stupid reason, NASL wants to cast the games live (and record them casting it for broadcast later), and arrange schedules based on when the Casters are in their studios in California or something. | ||
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Raysalis
Malaysia1034 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:49 Namu wrote: it does NOT come from sc2con, it's a column written by a reporter as haze said. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13439&id=736266 Yup, the title of this thread needs to be change to avoid confusion. Also, from reading the Korean Netizens reaction in that article, it looks like they mostly disagree with the decision to pull out of NASL. :p | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:56 dabom88 wrote: For some stupid reason, NASL wants to cast the games live (and record them casting it for broadcast later), and arrange schedules based on when the Casters are in their studios in California or something. Well they have to change that then. Have a local referee watch the game and send the replay, then cast that. Or the casters have to change their schedules to suit the players. The schedules of the casters, who are just a few people, should be less important than the schedules of the players since there are way more players. | ||
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Flash_one
Korea (South)27 Posts
1. SlayerS is not associated w/ SC2CON BoxeR is not attending NASL because he literally said that the league format SUCKS (hes the only one that is supportted by intel for travel amoung korean players) 2. ST July had to stay up all night waiting for he's opponent to show up but never did so he went straight to GSL w/o a sleep 3. SC2CON is organization built up by coaches. They do the bestfor their players. Never will try to do smth that harms their playerz 4. There was video of thewind where he said that he had to stay all nite up waiting for NASL's reply http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/gomcam/ | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:02 Zandar wrote: Well they have to change that then. Have a local referee watch the game and send the replay, then cast that. Or the casters have to change their schedules to suit the players. The schedules of the casters, who are just a few people, should be less important than the schedules of the players since there are way more players. That would be the logical thing to do. However, that involves assuming NASL always does the logical thing, which it doesn't. | ||
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Haze.884
New Zealand192 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:42 AzurewinD wrote: Did anyone read this? Did anyone bother to check the source of the OP's translation? Can anyone post a link to the source in question and verify that the OP's translation comes directly from SC2con? The OP has no link to the original Korean article. Otherwise we've been discussing a bunch of text someone random (with 3 posts) posted. I will make it easy for you. Link below. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13439&id=736266 written by 카르토르 who is a reporter in ThisIsGame. The OP DID NOT COPY THE ENTIRE ARTICLE nor ACKNOWLEDGE THE ORGINAL SOURCE.. Making me very very dubious of his intent of posting this poor translation. (Yes its very poor) | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:31 superbabosheki wrote: When you're playing a game like SC2, it is. The players can't simply wake up and perform at their best. They have a rhythm and warm up, and switching your sleep schedule around to meet that isn't feasible. It's like if in the NBA, ONLY Western Conference teams have to play back-to-back games, while EC teams always have a day or two of rest.1. waking up at a odd time once a week is not a horrific condtion Their success in the tournament is contingent on them playing as well as they can, which is hindered by the scheduling. Yes, waking up is easy but their job is not to wake up. Their job is to play SC2 at the highest level, against other professionals. If it's difficult, and it begins to affect their performance in other tournaments, then dropping out seems like a wise option. And quite frankly, the NASL's live-cast, delayed-broadcast system is just stupid. Everyone's told them that from the beginning, and they've run into basically every possible problem that can occur, yet they're still using it. The benefits are marginal, at best. This is the kind of stuff NASL should be re-evaluating, when they say they're going to improve production. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:32 Misanthrophic13 wrote: Your ignorance of the subject is so overwhelming, stop the false dichotomy. Please research both sides of the argument before making an informed decision. NASL has failed miserably and SC2con doesn't even want contact with them. It isn't about the money, it's more about the horrid conditions, the unfair latency advantage, the poor production of the NASL in general. It pales when compared to the GSL. The big loser here is the NASL for losing Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Lebron James. Have fun watching Mike Bibby. What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? Waking up early once a week. Boohoo. Many of the fans wake up for the chance of seeing them play. Not much money in that. NASL has made mistakes but its the North American league. Critisizing the format etc. things that NASL can actually influence is fine but the lag or timezones are never going to change, even bringing them up is retarded. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Lebron James would be nobodys if there werent people that appreciated theyre talent. Top Korean players can thank us foreigner fans for the possibility of taking part in NASL, IEM, DH, Assembly, MLG, HSC etc. Koreans might be the best players but it goes both ways. We are the best fans, we bring the dough that the Korean fans refuse to. This whole thing is so weird that I think that something must have been lost in translation. If Koreans cant afford to come then that sucks but its not NASLs fault. NASL maybe can change and give more money up front but that has to be given to ALL 16 players so any change is expensive. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:11 bRuTaL!! wrote: What the can hell NASL do about those conditions? Bend laws of physics so that there are no timezones. Eliminate lag somehow? They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:55 Zandar wrote: I might be missing something, but why is it so tough to schedule games with Koreans on normal times anyway? KO vs EU, let them play in EU morning, which is KO evening. US vs KO, let them play in KO morning, which is US evening US vs EU, let them play in US morning, which is EU evening. That way nobody has to play during night hours, for every 2 spots in the world there's always a time of the day people at both spots are awake, even if the time difference is 12 hours, since you only sleep 8 on average? -If they want to commentate the games while they are happening then the commentators and staff would have to stay up 24 h a day -If they want to make it all live: The players could be cheating -If they want to cast it from replays: lower viewership because it just feels not as exciting. The solution in my opinion: 3*2 casters world wide: 2 commentators in NA 2 commentators in EU 2 commentators in Korea (or that timezone) They will cast it live and send the file to NASL HQ where they can edit it. That way the NA-NASL stuff doesn't have to be up 24h/day and the Koreans can play the games on good times | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote: They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. And not ask Korean players to wait... and wait... and wait... when their opponents don't show up. | ||
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Kemy
105 Posts
On August 12 2011 19:47 dabom88 wrote: Because it IS only a 1000 dollar stipend that they're offering. You don't get a "minimum 2000". You have to pay your own way to the tournament, which they're expecting the Koreans to pay out of their own pocket after the 1000. They're expecting them to use the prize money to cover their expenses. And competing in the NASL DOES have the cost of making them get up at odd hours for 3 months. And competing at a latency disadvantage on top of that. It's a combination of all these factors and more that makes it not worth it. It may be only a 1000 dollar stipend but if you're a player that decides whether to participate in a tournament or not from a cost/income point of view you have to consider prize money as well. If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it Honestly, I'd prefer players getting paid through prize money only which is equal for every player participating in the tournament than paying different sums to cover travel costs depending on where players come from. I don't see why Koreans should be treated better than anyone else. Europeans and even North Americans may have high travel costs too depending on where they live and (as far as I understand) they don't get as much money. Waking up a little bit early isn't that much of a deal and how is NASL supposed to fix latency disadvantages -.- | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:13 dabom88 wrote: They could *gasp* Schedule games to be played at a tolerable time for the Koreans and not 4AM. If it fits the other player then yes. But *gasp* tolerable times for Koreans are intolerable for others. Since its NA league, I think its fair for Koreans to be the ones that have to adjust. | ||
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:15 StUfF wrote: And not ask Korean players to wait... and wait... and wait... when their opponents don't show up. I think this is just bad from NASL. They should wait for 30 mins max. If youre late 15min your forfeit first map and then another by 30mins late and giving the win for bo3 matches. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:15 Kemy wrote: It may be only a 1000 dollar stipend but if you're a player that decides whether to participate in a tournament or not from a cost/income point of view you have to consider prize money as well. If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it Honestly, I'd prefer players getting paid through prize money only which is equal for every player participating in the tournament than paying different sums to cover travel costs depending on where players come from. I don't see why Koreans should be treated better than anyone else. Europeans and even North Americans may have high travel costs too depending on where they live and (as far as I understand) they don't get as much money. Waking up a little bit early isn't that much of a deal and how is NASL supposed to fix latency disadvantages -.- You are, in my opinion, right. For the most part. I don't agree with "If prize money + stipend > travel cost = worth it". Teams are in place to make sure players show up at events and promote their sponsors, why else would someone sponsor a team? They are given money by companies to make sure that their players promote these companies, use that money for this purpose. I've said this earlier aswell but; If the Korean teams don't have enough money to send their players, well then that sucks. But no blame should be put on the organizers, in this case the NASL. As for schedule; how is waking up at 3-4am ONCE a week when you're OCCUPATION is playing sc2 hard or inconvinient? Adjust your sleeping schedule to that of someone who is working a fulltime job and it's not even noticable. How is it not worth it? I have a really hard time understanding the logic, feels more like excuses because they want the NASL to pay their trips. Or, they just do not understand how the rest of the world works over there in their little bubble. Which i've felt many times before. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On August 12 2011 20:08 Jibba wrote: If it's difficult, and it begins to affect their performance in other tournaments, then dropping out seems like a wise option. I think no one can argue against that, but how the drop out happened, was, to put it frankly, without any form of respect and in a hostile manner. | ||
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