EPTTiG Opinion Article on NASL Situation - Page 14
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
"http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253970" as the mod in his wise judgment has edited in. Always make the context clear, the source, etc. and whether the facts are true, or is this just somebody's opinion? End of the day, let's stop with the freaking blame games and just work on the solutions. They are plenty of other Koreans who can participate and bring on the Blizzard invitational top performers. NASL should try and partner w MLG and GSL too. Top 4 in NASL get seeded into MLG pool play, and top 2 get seeded into Code A, etc. NASL finals can be right after one of the MLGs, then overseas competitors (EU/KR/CN, wherever) can take part in both. | ||
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seaofsaturn
United States489 Posts
Sure they have had technical difficulties before, but how in the hell can anyone in their right mind complain about NASL not being accomidating? | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On August 13 2011 00:25 seaofsaturn wrote: The North American Star League makes this much effort and pays expenses to get Koreans to play in their tournament while the Global Star League makes you come at your own expense, does not let you participate online, and puts you through incredibly difficult qualifiers before you even have a game casted. Sure they have had technical difficulties before, but how in the hell can anyone in their right mind complain about NASL not being accomidating? Thats how I see it as well. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
On August 13 2011 00:25 seaofsaturn wrote: The North American Star League makes this much effort and pays expenses to get Koreans to play in their tournament while the Global Star League makes you come at your own expense, does not let you participate online, and puts you through incredibly difficult qualifiers before you even have a game casted. Sure they have had technical difficulties before, but how in the hell can anyone in their right mind complain about NASL not being accomidating? Why do people keep making this point? How do you think Naniwa or Thorzain got to play in the GSL recently? They were seeded directly into the Code A tournament without having to go through a brutal Code B qualifier. They are housed and fed at the GOM house for free up to a month. Do you really believe that NA players have more dedication than Korean players? Tell Idra that he should wake up at 4-8am every few days so that he can play an online game with lag for a chance to buy a $1300 ticket to another country just to have the chance to lose n the round of 16. Do you think he will do it? | ||
Chill
Calgary25991 Posts
On August 13 2011 00:28 denzelz wrote: Why do people keep making this point? How do you think Naniwa or Thorzain got to play in the GSL recently? They were seeded directly into the Code A tournament without having to go through a brutal Code B qualifier. They are housed and fed at the GOM house for free up to a month. Do you really believe that NA players have more dedication than Korean players? Tell Idra that he should wake up at 4-8am every few days so that he can play an online game with lag for a chance to buy a $1300 ticket to another country just to have the chance to lose n the round of 16. Do you think he will do it? Edit: Oh it's by TiG... Oops! | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 13 2011 00:28 denzelz wrote: Why do people keep making this point? How do you think Naniwa or Thorzain got to play in the GSL recently? They were seeded directly into the Code A tournament without having to go through a brutal Code B qualifier. They are housed and fed at the GOM house for free up to a month. Do you really believe that NA players have more dedication than Korean players? Tell Idra that he should wake up at 4-8am every few days so that he can play an online game with lag for a chance to buy a $1300 ticket to another country just to have the chance to lose n the round of 16. Do you think he will do it? a month vs 3 days, i wonder what's longer. he did not say anything about NA players having more dedication, so dont put words in his mouth. check your facts as well, NASL for season 2 would have started at 2am KST, and not 4am anymore, which according to NASL is what Koreans thought was more appropriate. players would have to wake up early once a week (or sleep late, however u wanna look at it). And no they dont have buy their own tickets, it is paid for. you have a chance to lose in the 1st round in any tournament, what does that have to do with anything. you could lose 1st round in MLG open bracket, koreans still go. you could lose 1st around in the dreamhack groups, koreans still go. even if the korean did lose in ro16, he breaks even and STILL gets a chance to meet foreign fans for the rest of the weekend and get his name out there, and who knows maybe a foreign company will want to sponsor their team after meeting all these korean players. i do agree however that nasl has to change their finals event to a double elimination of some sort, single elimination is just dumb. and the deposit, i dont really have a problem with, it'll make the team and the player more accountable for their actions in the league. it'll make them think twice about "man im tired ill just blow off my NASL match this week cause fuck it i dont care", and they'll actually lose money. | ||
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Hdizz
Canada93 Posts
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
On August 13 2011 01:04 Hdizz wrote: We'll just see more koreans joining foreign teams as a result of this. All the easy money is outside of korea and the korean teams aren't willing/don't have the money to send their players out to win it. They're really shooting themselves in the foot here. Foreigners: Just as planned. :D | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
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BaekHo
Korea (South)153 Posts
1/ Whether there was miscommunication or not, SC2Con didn't not decide to participate in NASL. As all of You know SC2Con rised in order to protect Player's Right. So why did SC2Con decide not to participate NASL? Simple. Because all of players (or majority) who played in NASL thought its too tough to play in NASL despite Price pool. So why? Think about it for you some retards who dont know how to think. You can make a lot of 'easy' money (according to some), then why would you not play? Simple. Because its not 'easy' money. A lot of ppl explained why its not 'easy' money, so I wont go on further, but regardless of this article and NASL.tv's official statement, players who participate in NASL last season thought it was just too difficult, and there was not much for players. Would you not participate Tournament that can guarantee you a lot of money? Now some of you compared it for GSL, but then I ask you why, WHY did players decide to not play in NASL if its way easier than GSL, and have larger price pool? Are they being arrogant? I think not. They played in TSL where obviously you could tell that they were lagging like ridiculously (Think about MVP vs Adelsoctt, in Xelnaga, I believe. MVP couldnt control his bio at all). Being Korean, and reading SCll community website (such as Playxp) I can obviously tell that Koreans do not underestimate Foreign Tournament, what they care, however, is that player's environment. SC2Con made decision, guess what, SC2Con is representation of Players, unlike KesPA, so majority of Players thought they dont 'fit' in NASL. So why did Hero, Puma, and Rain participating? Hero is Liquid team member, Puma is EG, and Rain is Fnatic (also he lives in States I believe). Even team like MVP, who have partnership with coL, and oGs, who have partnership with Liquid, decide not to participate in NASL, telling us that this wasnt decision made by Gomtv, but from all Korean Teams. | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
1. Teams/Sponsors should be paying for team's travels. Players shouldn't be expected to pay for it. The players themselves are responsible for making sure they have the correct contract measures in place to make sure they can travel or do what they need to do to succeed. It's a job, if you perform at your JOB you get rewarded. 2. The $$$ itself. It's $1300 if i want to travel to Seoul. I'd have to win GSL Code A (which is pretty much impossible for me) to make it worth it. Meanwhile assuming $1300 to travel over to the USA from Korea... NASL gave out $1500 to the top 8. 9 Koreans went to the finals - 3 didn't place in the top 8. So $500 with the $500 stippen means the 3 players (Moon, Boxer and Zenio) in theory wouldn't have made enough if they paid for it themselves. Now I don't know Zenio's team's stance on this, but I can assure you Boxer and Moons sponsors should have no problem paying for that trip. The rest banked. so the tl;dr is this is just silly, but hey with all of the korean withdraw from the tourney means we'll see a all rest of the world playoffs and main event (huzzah seeing someone like white-ra win it all plz) | ||
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BaekHo
Korea (South)153 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
Other events usually make a few invites and fly them over... even if a guy like MC can easily just pay the flight out of pocket. I said it in the other thread... it might be better to put the Koreans in their own division for the online portion (no more waking up early and no more lag). Bring the top 3 of that division to the grand finals. CSN(?) only pays for 4 Korean invitees to MLG. Do anyone really think a start up like NASL can pay for potentially 16? They actually even tried to when under the time pressure and ultimatum. I think refusing will give them more time to come up with a more reasonable solution that won't break their bank. But I think, with Koreans on foreign teams and even some Koreans moving over to the west, like TanDongHo and Artist, they won't have too much trouble having a few Koreans sprinkled in to their league. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On August 13 2011 01:14 CidO wrote: Lets break it down into the simple ideas: 1. Teams/Sponsors should be paying for team's travels. Players shouldn't be expected to pay for it. The players themselves are responsible for making sure they have the correct contract measures in place to make sure they can travel or do what they need to do to succeed. It's a job, if you perform at your JOB you get rewarded. 2. The $$$ itself. It's $1300 if i want to travel to Seoul. I'd have to win GSL Code A (which is pretty much impossible for me) to make it worth it. Meanwhile assuming $1300 to travel over to the USA from Korea... NASL gave out $1500 to the top 8. 9 Koreans went to the finals - 3 didn't place in the top 8. So $500 with the $500 stippen means the 3 players (Moon, Boxer and Zenio) in theory wouldn't have made enough if they paid for it themselves. Now I don't know Zenio's team's stance on this, but I can assure you Boxer and Moons sponsors should have no problem paying for that trip. The rest banked. so the tl;dr is this is just silly, but hey with all of the korean withdraw from the tourney means we'll see a all rest of the world playoffs and main event (huzzah seeing someone like white-ra win it all plz) So, with what you posted it is a $300 dollar risk to have the possibility of taking first place? I laugh at anyone who doesn't show up or participate for NASL. Also even if NASL covered nothing for 9-16 risking 1300 for a first place is worth it as well. Think about the tournament as a whole as well. Play bullshit online games Risk a bit of cash to participate in a 2 day finals ??? Profit | ||
Waxangel
United States33506 Posts
Honestly, since I have heard that s2con has no desire to write an official statement themselves, it just looks like they're using the media to do their dirty slander work while they stay clear of taking on any official position themselves. | ||
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highsis
259 Posts
I'M VERY ANGRY. Your poor language skills doesn't forbid you from posting a thread, but anyone who can speak Korean can see that your translation is extremely biased because you didn't even bother translating parts where it explains NASL's misdoings. Folks, LISTEN. THIS TRANSLATION IS NOT ONLY POOR(it doesn't matter as long as it's comprehensible) but IT IS EXTREMELY INACCURATE. OP decided to post his own version of the article. I request some measure from TL staffs. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
And it sucks that sc2con is going to keep players like MC, who could probably afford to play, from playing. | ||
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