TiG Opinion Article on NASL Situation - Page 16

On August 13 2011 02:01 BaekHo wrote:



I dont know what part is actually wrong... I checked it few times already, mind to speak out if you know how to read Korean?

Secondly, players having hard time playing in NASL. In the first NASL Season, top Korean players like Boxer, moon, nada played in NASL. However, because of live cast, players had to wake about 4am every time there was tournament match - which caused players to be in low concentration and tiredness. Also, there were some case where schedule changed, and they did not play.

Players who played in NASL thought that way that TSL3 scheduled matches were supportive than NASL did. Since it was Online tournament, every games had delays. (high latency)

Grandfinal in US was even more disturbing. Players had to play from their own expenses in order to go States (Flight ticket, Hotel, Food). NASL.tv said that for each player, who is going to States, they will support with 500$ US, but it was not even half amount of travel expenses. So some players promised to pay their expenses from money that they will win after the tournament, get money from NASL; then, had barely enough money for flight ticket and hotel.

On August 13 2011 01:48 BaekHo wrote:
This is NOT an OFFICIAL statement.

<스타크래프트 2> 해외 커뮤니티가 한국 선수들의 North American Star League(이하 NASL) 시즌2 불참 소식으로 시끄럽다.

Its been recognized, that foreign community talks about Korean players not playing in North American Star League (Known as NASL) Season 2.

NASL은 팀리퀴드에 올린 글을 통해 많은 시간을 노력했지만 유감스럽게도 한국 팀들이 NASL에 참가하지 못하게 됐다는 사실을 알렸고, 불참을 선택한 한국의 협의회(스 타크래프트 2 협의회)에게 실망이라는 내용을 게재했다.

The post, written by NASL.tv, said that they spend lots of time to meet an agreement, but they failed to do so, and Korean Teams decide not to play in NASL, and in post, NASL was very disappointed to SC2Con.

이 로 인해 해외 팬들과 일부 국내 팬들은 불참을 결정한 한국 게임단과 선수들을 비난하고 있다. 하 지만 이는 본질이 왜곡된 내용이며 NASL의 일방적인 주장에 불과하다.

Because of this, a lot of foreign fans, and Korean fans start blaming on Korean progaming team and Players, but in reality this is very falsified and NASL trying to hide the reality.

결 론부터 말하면 NASL은 한국 선수들을 자신들의 돈벌이에 이용했고, 한국 선수들이 출전을 거부하자 이에 앙심을 품고 있는 것에 불과하다.

In Truth, NASL used Korean players as tool to make more money, and being vindictive about players not participating in Tournament

구체적인 내용을 통해 한국 선수들이 NASL에 불참하게 된 이유를 설명한다. 먼저 NASL은 대회 출전을 위한 보증금 지급을 요구했다. NASL은 지난 4월 중순부터 6월 중순까지 2개월 동안 온라인으로 조별 풀리그를 진행하면서 출전 선수들에게 1인당 250달러(한화 약 27만원)를 받았다.

They (GOM and SC2Con) explained why Koreans do NOT participate in NASL. First of all, NASL asked security Deposit. Starting mid April to mid May, (about 2 month) during online premid leagues, they gathered about 250$ per each players.

보증금은 대회가 진행된 이후 돌려줄 것이라고 했지만 대회에 출전한 선수들은 아직까지도 보증금을 돌려받지 못하고 있는 상태다. NASL은 여기에서 그치지 않고 시즌2부터는 보증금을 1인당 500달러(한화 약 54만)로 2배나 올렸다.

Although NASL.tv said that they will pay security deposit money back, players didn't get their money back. Also, NASL.tv raised security deposit money twice of last season to 500$, compare to last season (250$)


초창기 <스타크래프트>가 출시됐을 때 PC방에서 진행하던 이벤트 대회도 출전 선수들에게 돈을 받지는 않았다. 하물며 프로 선수가 출전하는 대회가 선수들에게 보증금을 요구한다는 것 자체가 상식적으로 이해가 되지 않는 행태다.

When Starcraft first came out (not sure if hes referring to SC1 or SCll), even small LAN events done in internet cafe, they didnt have entry fee (I believe its SCl), yet huge league where all progamers attending asking for security deposit is abusive.

두 번째 NASL 출전 선수에 대한 배려다. 한국 선수들은 NASL 시즌1에 임요환(슬레이어스), 장재호(폭스), 장민철, 이윤열(이상 oGs) 등 정상급 선수가 10명이나 출전했다. 하지만 이들이 온라인 방송을 진행하는 현지 시간에 맞춰 경기를 치르느라 새벽같이 일어나 경기에 임했다. 이로 인해 선수들은 최악의 컨디션에서 경기를 치러야 했고, 이마저도 정해진 일정이 변경되면서 제대로 치러지지 않는 경우까지 발생했다.

Secondly, players having hard time playing in NASL. In the first NASL Season, top Korean players like Boxer, moon, nada played in NASL. However, because of live cast, players had to wake about 4am every time there was tournament match - which caused players to be in low concentration and tiredness. Also, there were some case where schedule changed, and they did not play.


NASL에 출전했던 선수들은 비슷한 시기에 경기를 진행한 TSL3과 비교해 NASL의 경기 진행 방식에 대해 불만을 표하기도 했다. 게다가 온라인 대회 진행인 관계로 매 경기 렉(지연 현상)도 심했다.

Players who played in NASL thought that way that TSL3 scheduled matches were supportive than NASL did. Since it was Online tournament, every games had delays. (high latency)


미국 현지에서 진행된 그랜드파이널의 경우는 더욱 엉망이었다. 선수들은 미국으로 이동하는 비행기와 숙박, 식사 등 모든 비용을 본인이 직접 해결해야 했다. NASL 측은 그랜드파이널에 출전하는 선수들을 위해 1인당 500달러씩 제공하겠다고 이야기했지만 출전에 필요한 경비의 절반에도 미치지 못한다. 이에 일부 선수들은 자신의 대회 상금에서 공제하기로 약속하고 나서야 비행기표와 숙소를 해결할 수 있었다.

Grandfinal in US was even more disturbing. Players had to play from their own expenses in order to go States (Flight ticket, Hotel, Food). NASL.tv said that for each player, who is going to States, they will support with 500$ US, but it was not even half amount of travel expenses. So some players promised to pay their expenses from money that they will win after the tournament, get money from NASL; then, had barely enough money for flight ticket and hotel.


또한, NASL은 LA공항에 도착한 한국 선수들이 대회가 열리는 현장으로 이동하는 과정에서 80달러의 픽업 비용을 받은 것으로 확인됐다.

Also we checked NASL get $80 for pickup fees to drive LA airport through the convention center.


그 들은 NASL 온라인 방송을 유료(저화질은 무료)로 서비스하면서 막대한 이익을 얻었음에도 자신들의 수익을 위해 최고의 콘텐츠를 제공한 선수들은 홀대한 셈이다.

Even though NASL made a lot of profits throughout HQ (LQ was free), for their own profits, they were neglected about players.


이 에 한국의 게임단과 선수들은 NASL 측에 보증금을 없앨 것과 그랜드파이널 참가를 위한 항공, 숙박, 체제 비용의 제공을 요구했지만 거절당했다.

Thus, Korean pro gaming teams and players asked NASL to reduce or delete security deposit money and support travel expenses, but got refused.


NASL은 공지를 통해 1인당 그랜드파이널 출전 비용으로 이전의 2배인 1천 달러(한화 약 108만원)를 지급하겠다고 했으나 이는 미국행 비행기표를 구입하기도 부족한 금액이다. 또한, 여행 비용 1천 달러를 포함해 2천 달러(한화 약 216만원)를 분배하겠다고 최종적으로 제안했지만 확인 결과 이는 대회의 우승 상금을 삭감하고 지급하기로 한 것으로, 결국 선수들에게 지급해야 할 금액을 조정해서 위기를 면하기 위한 ‘조삼모사’에 불과했다.

NASL.tv said (throughout bulletin) for each players who will be playing in GrandFinal, they will going to support with 1000$ US, compare to Season 1 of 500$, but 1000$ is not even enough for flight ticket to United States. Also, they said, including 1000$ travel expenses, they will pay extra 2000$, but apparently NASL.tv decide to reduce price pool in order to give extra travel expenses. (Eventually providing players about same amount of money)


최근 한국 선수들이 잇따라 해외 팀으로 이적하고 있고 다수의 해외 대회에 출전하고 있다. 하지만 이에 대한 보다 신중한 접근이 필요하다. NASL의 경우와 마찬가지로 한국 선수들은 최상의 콘텐츠를 공급할 수 있는 좋은 돈벌이 수단이다. 그러나 그들은 한국 선수들을 자신들의 돈벌이에 이용하면서 정당한 대가를 지불하지도 않는다.

Nowadays, many Korean players decide to step outside of Korea and join foreign team, and play in foreign tournament. However, we need to be careful about this. Tournament like NASL show the case that Korean players can show high level of game play, attracting lots of people; However, they only use Korean players in order to make money for their own and not being supportive for players.

곰 TV는 한국 선수들의 해외 진출과 해외 우수 선수들의 한국 활동을 위해 다양한 연계 프로그램을 실시하고 있다. MLG 콜럼버스, MLG 애너하임에 이어 MLG 롤리를 진행하는 MLG가 대표적이며 8월 중순에는 IEM도 열릴 예정이다.

GomTV is proposing many new ideas in order to keep foreign team, players active in Korea and help Korean players to play outside of Korea. MLG columbus, MLG anaheim, MLG event is one of the example of GomTV stepping outside of Korea, and there will be IEM tournament at mid-august.

선 수들에게 해외 대회 출전은 보다 넓은 세상을 경험하고 해외의 우수한 선수들과 승부를 겨룰 수 있는 좋은 기회임에 틀림없다. 그렇지만 본인이 프로라는 사실을 잊지 말고 아마추어 같은 대회는 과감하게 출전을 포기하는 결단이 필요하다.

Of course, its very good opportunities for players to play in foreign tournament which will give them chances to play against good foreign players and experience foreign community, but it is important to not forget that they are 'pro' gamers and not participate in amateur tournament. (NOTE: Although this sound offensive, i believe he meant amateur tournament as NOT skill wise, he doesn't seem to think foreign players are scrubs, he thinks that amateur tournament are those who doesn't provide player's environment very well)

NASL 은 올 초 시즌1 10만 달러(한화 약 1억 800만원), 시즌2 10만 달러, 시즌3 20만 달러(한화 약 2억 1천 600만원) 등 총 상금 40만 달러(한화 약 4억 3천 200만원)를 걸고 세계 최상위 클래스의 <스타크래프트 2> 선수들을 초청해 대회를 만들겠다고 밝혔다. 하지만 지금까지 보여준 그들의 행태는 세계 최고의 선수들을 활용해 ‘재주는 선수들이 부리고 돈은 NASL이 벌겠다’는 잔꾀에 지나지 않다.

NASL said in beginning of the year that first season will 100,000$, second season 100,000$, and third season for 200,000$, total of 400,000$ and have all top class players to play in Tournament. However, from what they have shown, all their desire is 'players play game, and NASL make more money'.

마지막으로 NASL은 지금이라도 대회 운영을 포기하던지, 세계 최고의 선수들이 출전하는 위상에 걸맞은 모습과 대회 운영을 보여주길 바란다.

Finally I hope (reporter) NASL stop Tournaments, or supports players better, and be better in tournament operating.

한편, NASL 시즌1에 출전한 선수들의 보증금은 아직까지 지급되지 않았고, 상금 역시 지급되지 않았다. 또한, 한국 게임단은 최근 FXOpen과 병합한 FXOKorea를 제외하고 모든 팀과 선수들이 NASL 시즌2에 출전하지 않기로 결정했다.

On the other hand, players who played in NASL Season 1 didnt get their security deposit and pay check (from winning tournament). Also, SC2Con decide that except FXOKorea who emerged with FXOpen, all teams and players decide not to participate in Season ll of NASL . (This paragraph is Fact, not opinion, I believe.)

On August 13 2011 02:24 NASL.tv wrote:


Paid back wemadefox security deposits... if it comes down to it, we can provide recipts for everything, but I can assure you we are 100% telling the truth when we stated that: a) we have begun refunding people's deposits, etc. b) we are still within the 60 day time frame of paying everything back, and we WILL adhere to this

On August 13 2011 02:19 NASL.tv wrote:


I don't mean your translation is incorrect, sorry. I mean to say that what they're saying is not only wrong, but is slanderous.

To claim that we earned a lot of profit and don't give back to the players is totally wrong. We increased our support of players. Raising the travel stipend is not just for Koreans, it's for every player in the league. This is an additional $8,000 we procured for players.

On August 13 2011 01:55 NASL.tv wrote:
The properly translated article is actually more wrong and slanderous than the mis-translated article in the OP.

On August 13 2011 02:27 canikizu wrote:

So
Is it true that you guys haven't given the security deposit, and prize money back?
That's all I want to know.

On August 13 2011 02:27 canikizu wrote:

So
Is it true that you guys haven't given the security deposit, and prize money back?
That's all I want to know.

On August 13 2011 02:30 BaekHo wrote:
Btw dont ask me why Korean proposed such idea, im not working for Gom nor SC2Con,

im just Korean sc2 progamer who lives in Canada. ~.~ I dont know if there was miscommunication

or sth, but do not trust this article, at least not until the actual direct statement come from SC2Con.


I personally dont think SC2Con will make up some facts (unless they wanna get bashed so much)

so hope there was misunderstanding.

On August 13 2011 02:35 Azzur wrote:

Thanks for your translation. I'm not too surprised by the hostile tone of the korean translations since the NASL press release was quite aggressive as well.

One thing that I do want to know, was any season 2 contracts signed?

On August 12 2011 16:13 oniman999 wrote:
If they don't want to come steal 50 grand, it's their fault :/