EPTThe teams are limiting themselves and their players and I can't see the players being happy about this.
Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 41
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
The teams are limiting themselves and their players and I can't see the players being happy about this. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:28 Sombre wrote: The end of the OP was pretty sensationalistic. I don't think you should do things like that, it's pretty unprofessional. isnt sc2con being entirely unprofessional atm tho? i dont see that an eye for an eye is a bad thing especially when a company is trying to monopolize the market.... and the competition isnt really into it (NASL) | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:51 deepfield1 wrote: good call by NASL, they would have to bring over 16 koreans for season 2 finals lol.. thats a fucking fortune No that's not true + Show Spoiler + Puma and Rain are paid for by EG/fnatic  | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:48 Blasphemi wrote: Let's wait to see sc2 cons answer first. I look forward to hearing their side of this, followed by the correction and apology they release the following week. | ||
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Dexerion
United States43 Posts
It's not horrible it gives teams the ability to see who the best people would be to recruit. | ||
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CPTBadAss
United States594 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:50 UnknownReclaimer wrote: That is pretty stupid. I hope that there is some other concerns that the Koreans had. Otherwise it is pretty pathetic that they withdrew, especially after filming had already started. 2 grand per player should be plenty, especially considering they could all book their flights months in advance and go as a big group for a discount. Seems pretty silly to me. Book months in advance if they don't even know if they will make it to the finals or not? Seems pretty silly to me. | ||
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Fuoeh
Netherlands486 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:50 UnknownReclaimer wrote: That is pretty stupid. I hope that there is some other concerns that the Koreans had. Otherwise it is pretty pathetic that they withdrew, especially after filming had already started. 2 grand per player should be plenty, especially considering they could all book their flights months in advance and go as a big group for a discount. Seems pretty silly to me. Book in advance for the final?? How would you even know how many will go to the final. Maybe none! | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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Philo
United States337 Posts
I don't understand why SC2CON thought NASL had that kind of a budget in the first place. To get MLG to fly Koreans to their events GOM had to give the same in return. If MLG with 100x the budget of NASL was only willing to send over 4 Koreans per event, what made the team managers think NASL could afford to possibly fly as many Koreans to their final event as MLG does in a whole season? Does SC2CON make their decisions with the backing of GOM, or is their only form of leverage the fact that they control where their players go? Who's side is GOM on in this anyways or do they simply mediate with NASL and work their own deals with SC2CON for GSL? It seems if players can unionize to make demands, organizations such as NASL, MLG, GSL can make joint efforts to deter SC2CON teams from making decisions that make me less likely to watch their tournaments. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:43 L3gendary wrote: The thing that makes the least sense is that korean players like ganzi, DRG, choya, and other non-invitees are willing to go to MLG for a chance to win 5k, and paying for the expenses themselves but this committee doesn''t want any part in the nasl when they are offered 2k per player + and a chance to win 50k. It's not adding up... False. Ganzi, Choya, and other non-invitees like Alicia, were paid for by their own team sponsors aka SlayerS and FXO (and FXOBoss has stated that the cost to gain benefit ratios are slim, and that's why he's not sending any koreans to Raleigh, but will for Orlando). These teams have large enough sponsorships and money to be able to pay their own way through. Also, this doesn't include the prior frustrations regarding scheduling of matches for Koreans. DRG didn't pay for it himself the first time, he was part of the MLG/GSL exchange, so him, boxer, MVP, and MMA were paid for by that system. In this next MLG where DRG wasn't invited, but will be attending, he's being paid for by Complexity not team MVP probably. Remember, that outside of SlayerS, FXOKorea, and IM, I don't think most of the Korean teams make very much from their sponsors. oGs and Prime have local fried chicken sponsorships that probably just help cover living expenses to run their pro houses. MVP as far as I know has no sponsor as a team (they don't wear anything), Zenex likewise doesn't have a big sponsor. Startale has some level of sponsorships as seen by their patches on their clothing, but are probably in the same boat as oGs and Prime's sponsorship levels. TSL was the only clan that had fully salaried workers in them, and 2 out of the 3 of them left the team which probably terminated the contracts anyways, and TSL has stated that Sangho and Clide gave up their own prize money/salaries to help with the team. I think people vastly overestimate how "glamorously rich" the korean pro teams are. | ||
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Colonial
United States81 Posts
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nicknt
185 Posts
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
Honestly it won't be hard for me, I think this announcement shows their true colors. Koreans may all act mannered.... but they are cut throat competitors and negotiators. They won't respect you if you just let them win. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:43 L3gendary wrote: The thing that makes the least sense is that korean players like ganzi, DRG, choya, and other non-invitees are willing to go to MLG for a chance to win 5k, and paying for the expenses themselves but this committee doesn''t want any part in the nasl when they are offered 2k per player + and a chance to win 50k. It's not adding up... DRG was invited and Choya got his ticket as a gift from FXOBoss. Ganzi and Alicia did get their tickets paid by SlayerS, which is not a part of the SC2con That said, it still makes me think that there are reasons despite money involved in this decision, mainly scheduling, comunication problems and NASL having a bad live event. Also, teams with multiple players have diminishing EV from each additional player participating, which is also a factor. From TSL perspective, for instance, it`s not like they are refusing to earn 50k, it`s more like "yeah, we could expect an overall 5-7k profit from this, with the risk of losing money we don`t even have, dealing with these organization we don`t really know and by forcing most of our players to stay awake super late once a week for the next 2 months". Plus, it could be that math does add up for them, but that they believe they can have an even better deal anyways. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:51 chipmonklord17 wrote: No that's not true + Show Spoiler + Puma and Rain are paid for by EG/fnatic Also Liquid hero! | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:38 NASL.tv wrote: It would be really unfair to everyone else in the league if we reduced the prize pool just to accommodate Korean players. We can't make money out of nothing, and we can't promise anything we can't guarantee. It would be unfair of us to promise more when we only have a limited budget, then not be able to deliver later. This is a budgeting management problem then. If you are having trouble with budgets, why are you boasting such a large prize pool? From what the viewers can see, much of the qualities of other departments (production, scheduling, etc) has been sacrificed in exchange for this large prize pool. Yet, you say you're trying to be fair for your players, but how is this fair for the thousands of fans supporting you? | ||
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Dub_doubt
United States86 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On August 12 2011 09:47 Serpico wrote: Yes...and it would just be prudent to wait for someone that knew about the situation to inform you. We have already been informed. That's what this thread was made for. Speculating about the suspect bits of information and missing gaps is only natural, especially when it's the most interesting and significant part. | ||
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