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Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 42

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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
August 12 2011 00:55 GMT
#821
I would like to see the statement from the sc2con.
At the moment I just can't believe that the travel expenses are the real reason.
Dexerion
Profile Joined May 2010
United States43 Posts
August 12 2011 00:55 GMT
#822
Also the NASL should keep these kind of deails close to the vest. Don't start airing details of your deals and offers. Keep the details for the good deals, not the failed ones. Don't let people know from a business standpoint that you are being turned down. Just focus on the strong points of your product.
R4iD
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada142 Posts
August 12 2011 00:55 GMT
#823
to be frank, screw em. NASL pretty much bent over backwards and was very accommodating in the talks. and for the Koreans to do this so last minute im quite mad at them. maybe if they had spoken out early (b4 signing contracts herp derp) about possible travel or money issues it could of worked but to at the last minute change their mind and say nah we dont have the money unless you want to cover everything i find that quite disgraceful.

time for HERO TO CRUSH
your either pro or your noob, and thats life
incifan
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
August 12 2011 00:55 GMT
#824
NASL again blaming others for their failure. Sad :/

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godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
August 12 2011 00:55 GMT
#825
Its a shame that there is soo little money in the korean sc2 scene.
Andrew2658
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
August 12 2011 00:56 GMT
#826
How are you going to fill in the player slots? Will you be using an invite system, or players who made it far in the qualifiers? I would love to see Jinro in the NASL. He tried to qualify but lost to SC.
SpecFire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1681 Posts
August 12 2011 00:56 GMT
#827
no korean = no viewers

rofl


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KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:56:50
August 12 2011 00:56 GMT
#828
On August 12 2011 09:53 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:43 L3gendary wrote:
The thing that makes the least sense is that korean players like ganzi, DRG, choya, and other non-invitees are willing to go to MLG for a chance to win 5k, and paying for the expenses themselves but this committee doesn''t want any part in the nasl when they are offered 2k per player + and a chance to win 50k.

It's not adding up...



False.

Ganzi, Choya, and other non-invitees like Alicia, were paid for by their own team sponsors aka SlayerS and FXO (and FXOBoss has stated that the cost to gain benefit ratios are slim, and that's why he's not sending any koreans to Raleigh, but will for Orlando). These teams have large enough sponsorships and money to be able to pay their own way through. Also, this doesn't include the prior frustrations regarding scheduling of matches for Koreans.

DRG didn't pay for it himself the first time, he was part of the MLG/GSL exchange, so him, boxer, MVP, and MMA were paid for by that system.

In this next MLG where DRG wasn't invited, but will be attending, he's being paid for by Complexity not team MVP probably.

Remember, that outside of SlayerS, FXOKorea, and IM, I don't think most of the Korean teams make very much from their sponsors. oGs and Prime have local fried chicken sponsorships that probably just help cover living expenses to run their pro houses. MVP as far as I know has no sponsor as a team (they don't wear anything), Zenex likewise doesn't have a big sponsor. Startale has some level of sponsorships as seen by their patches on their clothing, but are probably in the same boat as oGs and Prime's sponsorship levels. TSL was the only clan that had fully salaried workers in them, and 2 out of the 3 of them left the team which probably terminated the contracts anyways, and TSL has stated that Sangho and Clide gave up their own prize money/salaries to help with the team.

I think people vastly overestimate how "glamorously rich" the korean pro teams are.



They make money.. it just all goes into "mangement" and other BS like SC2Con. Korean's are abusing the talents of players and making money. Prime has a chain restaurant as a sponsor... they all have multiple sponsors... yet the players are all broke!! Someone is fleecing the Korean players and calling it "management" and doing stuff like forming unions and probably collecting "dues"

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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:57:51
August 12 2011 00:56 GMT
#829
On August 12 2011 09:53 nicknt wrote:
I think a big reason is due to the Puma fiasco and the sc2con wants to make a statement against it.

They'd look like a joke for being that sensitive about something like that when TSL and EG have communicated and resolved it.
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#830
I haven't seen this anywhere but a round trip ticket alone, from Korea to LA, his around $1,000 dollars, coach, and that is really cheap, with plenty of notice. But tickets I am looking at on Kayak.com can go up to $2.5k depending on the date.

So lets say they have to book, a month in advance, the tickets with all the fees and taxes at best would be $1500. I think that is being very conservative.

I would imagine that players once they book would have to plan to stay for the entire finals. That's probably a week. 7 days in a very cheap hotel room in California would run $100 a night per person. I still think I am being very generous. Then there a meals, drinks, traveling around and other day to day expenses that come with traveling.

I think a 2k Stipend would Barely cover it for these players. If I was traveling for work I would simply want to know that I would be completely covered and not have to worry about spending my own money.

I think the Koreans were in the right to ask for more, so that they know nothing would come out of pocket, otherwise what is the point?
A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
Fuoeh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands486 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#831
On August 12 2011 09:56 SpecFire wrote:
no korean = no viewers

rofl


Well I'm less interested. Luckily Puma is in it.
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#832
I would like to hear the Korean point of view. The way it was presented it seems like they were very unreasonable. I'm sorry for NASL. First season grand finals was a great championship, I wish all the best for them.
For the Swarm!
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#833
NASL can't grow without Koreans. The competition would be a joke if it's not played by the best players.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Rasky
Profile Joined July 2010
United States406 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#834
NASL steal Korean players? Check

No more Koreans allowed? Check

Profit???

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florious80
Profile Joined July 2011
United States17 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#835
To be honest I think this is fine, since there are plenty of good players still in this season. I think season 2 will be just as exciting to watch.
Dexerion
Profile Joined May 2010
United States43 Posts
August 12 2011 00:57 GMT
#836
It's just economics. They can make more in the GSL or something right now. They feel they are worth more than the NASL can afford at the moment. Let the NASL grow then they can afford to pay top teir talent if that's what it takes and it's what their customers demand. Maybe their customer base would be just fine seeing the best of the rest? Quite possible. This may even bring in higher quality talent overall since people hovering around the teens that could be sleepers may have skipped this tourney because they knew they couldln't hang w/ Koreans.
TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
August 12 2011 00:58 GMT
#837
I only really enjoyed watching the finals of the last one due to the koreans.

I can't say I'll be that interested this time. It's kind of a shame. But then again, it is called the North American starleague for a reason.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
August 12 2011 00:58 GMT
#838
On August 12 2011 09:56 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:53 Kazeyonoma wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:43 L3gendary wrote:
The thing that makes the least sense is that korean players like ganzi, DRG, choya, and other non-invitees are willing to go to MLG for a chance to win 5k, and paying for the expenses themselves but this committee doesn''t want any part in the nasl when they are offered 2k per player + and a chance to win 50k.

It's not adding up...



False.

Ganzi, Choya, and other non-invitees like Alicia, were paid for by their own team sponsors aka SlayerS and FXO (and FXOBoss has stated that the cost to gain benefit ratios are slim, and that's why he's not sending any koreans to Raleigh, but will for Orlando). These teams have large enough sponsorships and money to be able to pay their own way through. Also, this doesn't include the prior frustrations regarding scheduling of matches for Koreans.

DRG didn't pay for it himself the first time, he was part of the MLG/GSL exchange, so him, boxer, MVP, and MMA were paid for by that system.

In this next MLG where DRG wasn't invited, but will be attending, he's being paid for by Complexity not team MVP probably.

Remember, that outside of SlayerS, FXOKorea, and IM, I don't think most of the Korean teams make very much from their sponsors. oGs and Prime have local fried chicken sponsorships that probably just help cover living expenses to run their pro houses. MVP as far as I know has no sponsor as a team (they don't wear anything), Zenex likewise doesn't have a big sponsor. Startale has some level of sponsorships as seen by their patches on their clothing, but are probably in the same boat as oGs and Prime's sponsorship levels. TSL was the only clan that had fully salaried workers in them, and 2 out of the 3 of them left the team which probably terminated the contracts anyways, and TSL has stated that Sangho and Clide gave up their own prize money/salaries to help with the team.

I think people vastly overestimate how "glamorously rich" the korean pro teams are.



They make money.. it just all goes into "mangement" and other BS like SC2Con. Korean's are abusing the talents of players and making money. Prime has a chain restaurant as a sponsor... they all have multiple sponsors... yet the players are all broke!! Someone is fleecing the Korean players and calling it "management" and doing stuff like forming unions and probably collecting "dues"



Do you have their financial reports to even remotely indicate this? I think it's a little rude to suspect that the team managers, lots of which are former players within the teams themselves, are stuffing their pockets while they're colleagues suffer. That's bs. I don't think it's as obvious as you think. Not every team has BoxeR and Jessica to help them get sponsorships.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
MasterCassim
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany38 Posts
August 12 2011 00:58 GMT
#839
On August 12 2011 09:57 Smancer wrote:
I haven't seen this anywhere but a round trip ticket alone, from Korea to LA, his around $1,000 dollars, coach, and that is really cheap, with plenty of notice. But tickets I am looking at on Kayak.com can go up to $2.5k depending on the date.

So lets say they have to book, a month in advance, the tickets with all the fees and taxes at best would be $1500. I think that is being very conservative.

I would imagine that players once they book would have to plan to stay for the entire finals. That's probably a week. 7 days in a very cheap hotel room in California would run $100 a night per person. I still think I am being very generous. Then there a meals, drinks, traveling around and other day to day expenses that come with traveling.

I think a 2k Stipend would Barely cover it for these players. If I was traveling for work I would simply want to know that I would be completely covered and not have to worry about spending my own money.

I think the Koreans were in the right to ask for more, so that they know nothing would come out of pocket, otherwise what is the point?

You should really read the first pages first ...
Gojira621
Profile Joined October 2010
United States374 Posts
August 12 2011 00:58 GMT
#840
wow. NASL you went over and beyond trying to accommodate these guys and they pretty much just spat in your face. $2000 for each player that makes it to the grand finals? $2000 and they STILL say no? For a chance to win up to 50k?? There's no way $2000 can't cover flights for the player and some of the hotel cost, if not all of it if it's a cheap place. This is just sad.

However, I will still fully support NASL and look forward to the new season! I'm not gonna stop supporting the growth of e-sports just because some Koreans aren't satisfied with making a potential butt-ton of money. Still a ton of great players to watch and they're also players I can better identify with, being an american citizen. I love a lot of the koreans, but they have GSL and there still may be some Koreans playing in NASL as well. Best of luck to NASL and I'm looking forward to season 2!
www.twitch.tv/Gojira621
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