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On August 12 2011 09:36 Andrew2658 wrote:
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days.
What about the return trip?
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In all honesty I don't see a problem with this. If the Koreans don't want to take probably their easiest opportunity at making 10-40 thousand dollar for an event where they can determine if they are in the money before they even needed to spend money on the event it is their loss. It's an Online tournament with a LAN finals, leagues like that really make it the easiest for the participants, and to offer a deal where basically you can go on a trip to California worth 3000+ dollars even if you place last in the finals. It is friggen crazy especially if you look at the cost of a flight from Korean to California. I guess they need to be first class or something, but sad to say they are not executives making 6 figures easy.
Also I personally like seeing foreigners play over Korean since it sort of a hometown pride thing. Plus US/Euro sponsors, US/Euro casters, US/Euro times, and American Servers so it should go back into it. .
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On August 12 2011 09:36 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:29 NASL.tv wrote:On August 12 2011 09:25 Govou wrote:
as much as it doesn't sound fair, maybe NASL should think about paying up more for every player who's going to be in final.
I can see how it's going to hurt NASL if they dont but I dont see how it's going to hurt NASL much if they do. We would love to guarantee a 100% covered cost to every single player. We have a fixed budget, we're a company that is less than 1 year old and we're trying to do great things. We don't have the VC backing and years of events hosted such as companies like MLG (nor do we have the backing of a major corporation like GOMTV). The offer we made is literally the most we can do with the current budget we have. You'll end up losing a lot of your viewers tho. So the question is, is this loss of revenue still less than if you were to fully cover their cost? Have you considered reducing part of the grand final prize for this?
It would be really unfair to everyone else in the league if we reduced the prize pool just to accommodate Korean players. We can't make money out of nothing, and we can't promise anything we can't guarantee. It would be unfair of us to promise more when we only have a limited budget, then not be able to deliver later.
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On August 12 2011 09:38 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:36 Andrew2658 wrote:
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days. What about the return trip?
I'm pretty sure they can afford to pay a bit of the expoenses, or is that too much to ask?
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On August 12 2011 09:38 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:36 Andrew2658 wrote:
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days. What about the return trip?
read the thread in full. jesus.
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On August 12 2011 09:38 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:36 Andrew2658 wrote:
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days. What about the return trip?
it's 1200$ for both ways, they don't have to row a boat back
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On August 12 2011 09:33 OldManZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:25 DoomsVille wrote:
This isn't about money. That has been made clear over and over by people in this thread.
This is about one of a few things:
1) Koreans trying to squeeze out NASL so that GSL remains number 1
2) They're pissed off at the EG/PuMa thing and they don't want that to repeat
3) They're pissed off at the hours of play and don't want to go through it again
4) They hate the tournament format for the finals and think its a waste of time
There may be other reasons, but those are the ones I can think of.
What I don't understand is why they went through the trouble of giving NASL an ultimatum. They clearly had no intention of competing to begin with. NASL has basically agreed to cover all travel costs... Bah, you're just speculating. You don't know their minds or motives.
Speculation is the only remaining option when what has been announced as the reason doesn't seem quite convincing.
If the decision wasn't political in nature, I'm pretty sure sc2con wouldn't be negotiating and players would just drop out one by one on their own and decide not to apply / play.
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On August 12 2011 09:30 TooN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:17 Pudge_172 wrote:
You have to spend money to make money and obviously the Koreans don't believe in spending money to make money. You have to practice harder to be better and win money. Obviously foreigners don't believe in that since they get destroy by koreans at every tournament.
Such a sad post. Change your name to Tool buddy.
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On August 12 2011 09:37 radient737 wrote:
I think NASL actually went further than they should have by offering so much to the korean teams. I don't think koreans should get special treatment to be flown out to competitions en masse. If they don't have the sponsorship to attend a $40k tournament, too bad.
I watch almost every GSL match, and most major foreign tournaments also. I'm not a super technical observer, I watch for entertainment only, and to me american and european play is easier to watch and more interesting. The games aren't as faultless as the korean's, but they aren't as linear either. TLO nuke pushing, Huk Mothershipping, Idra Neural parasiting, Incontrol pyloning games are the ones I remember even now.
I will still watch all NASL games that I can, and be secretly relieved that there are fewer koreans.
There are reasons why those "gimmick" builds don't work against Koreans. Hence why they are not used.
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On August 12 2011 09:37 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:36 Fubi wrote:On August 12 2011 09:29 NASL.tv wrote:On August 12 2011 09:25 Govou wrote:
as much as it doesn't sound fair, maybe NASL should think about paying up more for every player who's going to be in final.
I can see how it's going to hurt NASL if they dont but I dont see how it's going to hurt NASL much if they do. We would love to guarantee a 100% covered cost to every single player. We have a fixed budget, we're a company that is less than 1 year old and we're trying to do great things. We don't have the VC backing and years of events hosted such as companies like MLG (nor do we have the backing of a major corporation like GOMTV). The offer we made is literally the most we can do with the current budget we have. You'll end up losing a lot of your viewers tho. So the question is, is this loss of revenue still less than if you were to fully cover their cost? Have you considered reducing part of the grand final prize for this? 90% of the people saying "I WILL NEVER WATCH NASL AGAIN AAARRGGGHHH!" will watch anyway, i doubt they'll take a very big blow in their viewer numbers
Idra/White-Ra still playing, they should find a way to get Jinro/Destiny (who did participate in qualifiers) in the league and people will still watch (based on their stream numbers, which are crazy...)
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Wow, normally I refrain from commenting on some of these larger 'bad news' situations, at least for a while because there is always 2 sides to the story and frankly we the public don't always get all the facts.
That being said I really can't think of any possible way for the SC2Com to come out of this looking anything but unprofessional assholes. I won't mind too much as the quality of play will still be pretty damn amazing, but still, they screwed over one of the biggest leagues in SC2.
Edit: GL to NASL. I hope you can pick up the pieces swiftly and cleanly and move on from this relatively unscathed. I hope the viewers don't look too poorly on you and continue watching as from my POV this isn't your fault - and your league still will provide amazing high level games in high quantities!
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On August 12 2011 09:32 gold_ wrote:
I think I might buy a season 2 ticket just because of this.
I was thinking the same thing 
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On August 12 2011 09:25 DoomsVille wrote:
This isn't about money. That has been made clear over and over by people in this thread.
This is about one of a few things:
1) Koreans trying to squeeze out NASL so that GSL remains number 1
2) They're pissed off at the EG/PuMa thing and they don't want that to repeat
3) They're pissed off at the hours of play and don't want to go through it again
4) They hate the tournament format for the finals and think its a waste of time
There may be other reasons, but those are the ones I can think of.
What I don't understand is why they went through the trouble of giving NASL an ultimatum. They clearly had no intention of competing to begin with. NASL has basically agreed to cover all travel costs...
Where did you get that from. Re-read the first post
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event
1) According to NASL Mr Chae has been nothing but helpful. See earlier post by NASL.
2) That only happened due to a player being uncontracted. I doubt any team will send an uncontracted player to an international tournament again.
3) Why would they sign the contract if they had issues with the format.
4) Why would they sign the contract if they had issues with the format. Also the finals have a huge prize pool...
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On August 12 2011 09:28 ronpaul012 wrote:All I'm saying is go back and watch the games from a few months ago. Were the players better? No. Were the games closer and more exciting? HELL YES. Can anybody really say they enjoyed championship sunday with a bunch of koreans playing from mlg anaheim more than they did back in dallas when naniwa made his spectacular run? Absolutely not.
You are wrong, I enjoyed Anaheim more than Naniwa's run, so don't try to speak for me. I enjoy watching better players play, Naniwa is great, but he didn't face the level of competition that MLG has now. MLG keeps getting better and better competition which is a good thing. NASL has now lost a lot of competition, which is a bad thing. Now players like Ret, Idra, etc have only the few Koreans left as their challengers for winning.
You are seeing things through the rose tinted glasses of Nostalgia and not really thinking. Remember Naniwa only dropped 2? maps that entire run, while now no player is able to do that.
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On August 12 2011 09:38 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:36 Andrew2658 wrote:
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days. What about the return trip?
Are you serious or stupid?
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On August 12 2011 09:38 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:36 Andrew2658 wrote:
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days. What about the return trip?
I would assume it is back and forth. Yep, checked on some website, 1200 both ways.
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...note to self, dont purchase season ticket.
such a shame..
A tournament without koreans!? whatttt
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If they want to play in our tournaments, then pay to come.
I don't see GOMTV paying foreigners' air fare, even ones who have earned their spots.
Disappointing, but I won't miss them. Xenophobia or bust, yo.
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On the surface, this seems like a huge miscalculation on the part of the Korean teams. As a whole, they literally have nothing to lose by participating in NASL. Collectively they could easily win 80%+ of the overall prizepool, completely recouping traveling costs and such.
Demanding a larger traveling stipend is stupid because it would just be cut out from the prizepool - which THEY WOULD BE WINNING ANYWAYS.
That, and the other information about traveling expenses given in this thread so far suggests to me that this issue is not about money. I'd very much like to hear SC2Con's side of this story. The current pieces of info don't add up.
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I can't judge either side without hearing the SC2Con side of the story. Still, this is frustrating, because you'd think that with enough money for a $200,000 prize pool, NASL and SC2Con would have been able to work something out given more time.
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