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On August 12 2011 09:30 PrimeTimey wrote:
I think it really goes to show that these Korean SC2 players aren't living the dream. I wonder how much salary they really do get if their teams can't afford air travel (with $2000 stipend) to one of the biggest events around.
Some of them get no salaries, the ones who are actually making a lot of money are just the ones with huge prize money wins. I don't think anyone who has followed the scene recently believed they were doing well recently.
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Sigh, was looking forward to watching the koreans vs world... =[
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its clearly about more than just travel costs. I'm sure the play times and format are big factors whether they address them or not.
anyway, whatever the reasons this is a huge blow for the NASL. After a pretty abysmal first season with all of the negative issues they've had the korean grand finals of puma/mc basically saved their entire first season.
they better have stepped up their production, pr, casting, decision making to a godlike level to make up for the fact their league won't have the top players anymore. Sadly, I doubt they have.
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I think I might buy a season 2 ticket just because of this. Terrible attitude by the Korean teams.
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Holy shit at the amount of bullshit speculation and drama in this thread. Why must there always be malicious intents and nefarious plots behind everything?
That said, I pity every Starcraft 'fan' who thinks games between Cruncher and DarkForce are the same as watching MC and NesTea. No offence meant.
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Well, at least I'll get to see Rain and sC play?
Koreans are killing esports
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so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:
fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥
and of course moonan and select
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Well, that news to surprising and disappointing in equal measure. Still, I want the NASL to succeed and will be purchasing my season 2 HQ pass. I hope this last minute upset doesn't effect the viewer numbers.
I can't speak for the cost of bringing the Koren kids here for the grand finals, but I think we all need to keep in mind than many are very young, highschool and early college age, and have no real money of their own yet. From what I've read about Korean team contracts, the players don't get paid much, if anything until they are big names so, I can't really blame them without more information on actual costs.
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On August 12 2011 09:25 DoomsVille wrote:
This isn't about money. That has been made clear over and over by people in this thread.
This is about one of a few things:
1) Koreans trying to squeeze out NASL so that GSL remains number 1
2) They're pissed off at the EG/PuMa thing and they don't want that to repeat
3) They're pissed off at the hours of play and don't want to go through it again
4) They hate the tournament format for the finals and think its a waste of time
There may be other reasons, but those are the ones I can think of.
What I don't understand is why they went through the trouble of giving NASL an ultimatum. They clearly had no intention of competing to begin with. NASL has basically agreed to cover all travel costs...
Bah, you're just speculating. You don't know their minds or motives.
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On August 12 2011 09:30 PrimeTimey wrote:
I think it really goes to show that these Korean SC2 players aren't living the dream. I wonder how much salary they really do get if their teams can't afford air travel (with $2000 stipend) to one of the biggest events around.
Its pretty obvious that Korean "teams" have a lot of management fee's and unions. All that bureaucratic BS costs money... the players are getting robbed no doubt. They all have multiple sponsors, but I think "management" eats away at it.
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Poor NASL, lost 80% of its fun factor.
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On August 12 2011 09:25 DoomsVille wrote:
This isn't about money. That has been made clear over and over by people in this thread.
This is about one of a few things:
1) Koreans trying to squeeze out NASL so that GSL remains number 1
2) They're pissed off at the EG/PuMa thing and they don't want that to repeat
3) They're pissed off at the hours of play and don't want to go through it again
4) They hate the tournament format for the finals and think its a waste of time
There may be other reasons, but those are the ones I can think of.
What I don't understand is why they went through the trouble of giving NASL an ultimatum. They clearly had no intention of competing to begin with. NASL has basically agreed to cover all travel costs...
If the reasons are 2-4 I'm all for supporting the Koreans for backing out of the NASL tournament. It is clearly evident that they do not wish to participate in this tournament because of the huge amount of inconvenience. It's not about the money, most teams make decent pay, however, if you look at the NASL playoffs in season 1, the scheduling was horrendous. If you were knocked out in the 1st round, it was GG. I'm guessing this wasn't much of a problem in Season 1 as it will be in Season 2, because 20/43 players are korean. Only foreigners got knocked out in the first few rounds. However, in this season, because there are so many koreans, a korean will be guaranteed to be knocked out in the first round, because the finals will be most, if not ALL koreans.
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On August 12 2011 09:32 ramon wrote:
so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:
fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥
and of course moonan and select
boxer pulled out after season one concluded.
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On August 12 2011 09:32 ramon wrote:
so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:
fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥
and of course moonan and select
no boxer, he has withdrawn on his own
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On August 12 2011 09:32 ramon wrote:
so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:
fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥
and of course moonan and select
Boxer pulled out long before this announcement.
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Never much understood why there were Koreans or europeans in the North American Star League. Guess I'm just ignorant =(
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On August 12 2011 08:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I understand making a stand to protect your scene. In fact I think the Korean scene making some sort of a stand is going to be good for everyone in the long run.
However what is going on here with putting players into a qualifier, accepting invites, all with full knowledge of what NASL pays, and then threatening to last minute pull everyone out is just not acceptable behavior. Makes me very sad to see this organization used for these ends. I hope the Korean scene can come to re-think their actions and act differently in future situations.
Couldn't of said it better, this was incredibly un professional of the korean teams to make demands on the NASL to pay their expenses for their members to have a shot at 40 to 50k.
Also having chae be their mouthpiece seems highly unprofessional of the teams as well. Whether or not he was being helpful, you don't have a 'rival competitor' speak on behalf of your team.
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Even slayers, who are not in sc2con refusing to speak to NASL directly makes me think this is more thatn just a money issue for them. .
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On August 12 2011 08:57 Vinski wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:55 Vinski wrote:On August 12 2011 08:51 b0lt wrote:On August 12 2011 08:06 NASL.tv wrote:
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties].
In an effort to try to ease the difficulty of travel, we managed to double our travel budget to $1,000 per player in addition to the minimum prize of $500. Unfortunately, we were notified August 9th (our 2nd day of filming) that this offer was unacceptable, and that Koreans were withdrawing from the league.
We presented a final offer, one which redistributed our prize pool to guarantee each player $2,000 (a $1,000 minimum prize in addition to the $1,000 travel stipend). We feel that, for a 1/16 chance at winning up to $40,000, $2,000 is more than fair accommodation expense to get players to come. Despite our best efforts, the Korean teams still have declined participation.
We are disappointed that the Korean Committee waited until the final hour, not only to make these demands but also to notify us of their withdrawal. We would like to apologize to our fans who wanted to see these players participate in the NASL and to the Korean players who hoped to participate. While we do respect the Committee’s decision, we wish it had been made in a more timely manner that did not interrupt the start of our season.
? The Korean teams made demands and threatened to withdraw some time before season 2 and NASL did not satisfy the demands. How is that them waiting until the last hour to make demands and withdraw? His post was a timeline. Read. Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:55 Keone wrote:On August 12 2011 08:18 MorNin wrote:
So the west is supposed to bend over to Koreans??? wtf is this.... Comments like this sicken me. Feel like this deserves a warning. "west" bending over to "Koreans"... yeah be more racist, won't you. Idk man I'm kind of getting the same feeling. This is E-Sports a majority of the north american masters players have to travel to each MLG with their own money. I think just because your a top tier player doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to pay from your own pocket to get into an event. :/
Standard procedure in many others sports, if you are good enough, you can demand things from tournament organizers, because it's in their interest to have you playing there. Take tennis for example: Roger Federer get's a TON of money just for showing up at an event, because he draws viewers.
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That is a pity, but thanks for the attempt to keep them in the tournament anyway. At least we get to see the Koreans on foreigner teams.
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