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delchuu
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany166 Posts
August 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#701
Well wether depressing or not it's kinda a shame that the Koreans behaved like that.
Victory Loves Preparation
Remfire
Profile Joined October 2010
492 Posts
August 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#702
On August 12 2011 09:32 ramon wrote:
so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:

fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥

and of course moonan and select



On August 12 2011 08:14 NASL.tv wrote:
BoxeR already declined participation (his withdrawal came before the SC2Con decision, but for similar reasons)


no BoxeR
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
August 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#703
On August 12 2011 09:33 OldManZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:25 DoomsVille wrote:
This isn't about money. That has been made clear over and over by people in this thread.

This is about one of a few things:

1) Koreans trying to squeeze out NASL so that GSL remains number 1
2) They're pissed off at the EG/PuMa thing and they don't want that to repeat
3) They're pissed off at the hours of play and don't want to go through it again
4) They hate the tournament format for the finals and think its a waste of time

There may be other reasons, but those are the ones I can think of.

What I don't understand is why they went through the trouble of giving NASL an ultimatum. They clearly had no intention of competing to begin with. NASL has basically agreed to cover all travel costs...


Bah, you're just speculating. You don't know their minds or motives.


educated guess?

again, 2) and 4) really sound about right.

i hope NASL does something about finals format, it's something they can actually change for the better.
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
August 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#704
On August 12 2011 09:32 ramon wrote:
so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:

fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥

and of course moonan and select



Boxer and Nada both withdrew before the SC2Con made its decision. So no, Boxer will not be playing.
Flavalanche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States164 Posts
August 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#705
Wow... Korea, y u hate foreign e-sports?
Sup.
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
August 12 2011 00:35 GMT
#706
On August 12 2011 09:25 Terrafros wrote:
Korean teams pulling out after the season begins?

No words exist for this low, low blow.


You can say whatever you want about NASL's format. You may disagree with it, you may hate it, and you may want to see it burn in hell. But the fact is - The Korean teams knew that it would be applied. Now, while the season has started, the Korean teams demand more than was agreed on when they entered the qualifiers.

This is a breach of agreement and is everything opposite to the so called 'honourable' Korean culture everyone talks about at all times. Poor performance by the Korean teams, and I hope for them to redeem themselves with regards to this issue, but it'd be hard for them.



which is why i think nasl should seek legal action against sc2 con. a huge chunk of players who sign contracts to play this season are now pulled out. there season will now be delayed to reformat. sc2con needs to at least apologize for the amount of damage they have caused this league
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
August 12 2011 00:36 GMT
#707
On August 12 2011 09:29 NASL.tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:25 Govou wrote:
as much as it doesn't sound fair, maybe NASL should think about paying up more for every player who's going to be in final.

I can see how it's going to hurt NASL if they dont but I dont see how it's going to hurt NASL much if they do.


We would love to guarantee a 100% covered cost to every single player. We have a fixed budget, we're a company that is less than 1 year old and we're trying to do great things. We don't have the VC backing and years of events hosted such as companies like MLG (nor do we have the backing of a major corporation like GOMTV).

The offer we made is literally the most we can do with the current budget we have.


You'll end up losing a lot of your viewers tho.

So the question is, is this loss of revenue still less than if you were to fully cover their cost?
Have you considered reducing part of the grand final prize for this?
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 12 2011 00:36 GMT
#708
Comrades, let us remember the pitchforks we bought for the TSL debacle and had to return. I suggest waiting for the other side of the story before buying another pair.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Ippo
Profile Joined November 2010
708 Posts
August 12 2011 00:36 GMT
#709
If some of these teams cant afford traveling with that much money the NASL is willing to give them, then i dont even care about them, I am fine with the ones that can.
NASL.tv
Profile Joined April 2011
699 Posts
August 12 2011 00:36 GMT
#710
On August 12 2011 09:34 jakoh wrote:
Even slayers, who are not in sc2con refusing to speak to NASL directly makes me think this is more thatn just a money issue for them. .


SlayerS has nothing to do with this at all. We have spoken directly with Jessica many times, and are on great terms with team SlayerS. They let us know a long time ago the issues they had with NASL and we couldn't come to an agreement with them... all is good!
Andrew2658
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 00:43:19
August 12 2011 00:36 GMT
#711
For all those saying a plane ticket costs more than $2000 you are dead wrong. I just tried to book a round-trip ticket from Seoul to LA, and the average price was $1200. The remaining money would easily cover a hotel and food for a few days.
EZcylestea
Profile Joined July 2011
United States14 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#712
I will still watch and think its Unfair for them to demand anything that much. Dont they thing its costly for the westerners who go to the GSL finals and games any more expensive? the answer is no its not it is just as such. We dont need them to have good games.
Dont knock on deaths door. Ring the bell and run. Death hates that
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#713
On August 12 2011 09:36 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:29 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 09:25 Govou wrote:
as much as it doesn't sound fair, maybe NASL should think about paying up more for every player who's going to be in final.

I can see how it's going to hurt NASL if they dont but I dont see how it's going to hurt NASL much if they do.


We would love to guarantee a 100% covered cost to every single player. We have a fixed budget, we're a company that is less than 1 year old and we're trying to do great things. We don't have the VC backing and years of events hosted such as companies like MLG (nor do we have the backing of a major corporation like GOMTV).

The offer we made is literally the most we can do with the current budget we have.


You'll end up losing a lot of your viewers tho.

So the question is, is this loss of revenue still less than if you were to fully cover their cost?
Have you considered reducing part of the grand final prize for this?



90% of the people saying "I WILL NEVER WATCH NASL AGAIN AAARRGGGHHH!" will watch anyway, i doubt they'll take a very big blow in their viewer numbers
Kevmeister @ Dota2
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#714
On August 12 2011 09:35 Flavalanche wrote:
Wow... Korea, y u hate foreign e-sports?


There's no hate when it comes to $$$ and ensuring continued GSL-MLG hedgemony, it's just business my friend.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#715
On August 12 2011 09:35 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 09:32 ramon wrote:
so according to this news the remaining koreans in season 2 would be:

fnatic's rain,
slayers boxer,
eg puma,
fxo sc,
team liquid's hero ♥

and of course moonan and select



Boxer and Nada both withdrew before the SC2Con made its decision. So no, Boxer will not be playing.

whoops, sry didn't want to spread any wrong information
bisu
radient737
Profile Joined April 2011
South Africa8 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#716
I think NASL actually went further than they should have by offering so much to the korean teams. I don't think koreans should get special treatment to be flown out to competitions en masse. If they don't have the sponsorship to attend a $40k tournament, too bad.

I watch almost every GSL match, and most major foreign tournaments also. I'm not a super technical observer, I watch for entertainment only, and to me american and european play is easier to watch and more interesting. The games aren't as faultless as the korean's, but they aren't as linear either. TLO nuke pushing, Huk Mothershipping, Idra Neural parasiting, Incontrol pyloning games are the ones I remember even now.

I will still watch all NASL games that I can, and be secretly relieved that there are fewer koreans.
Lokj
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands439 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#717
can't we just wait for the Korean side of the story, please? This thread has been woven around speculation :\
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#718
That's a real shame, I was looking toward the increased talent of the player pool next season, I'll still watch occasionally though =D Shame things couldn't work out =(
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
August 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#719
This sucks on some levels, but good on some other. Hopefully we get some new NA/EU players that are really strong to step up.
TheStonerer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada278 Posts
August 12 2011 00:38 GMT
#720
Is that how they want to act? I wasn't gonna buy season 2 of NASL but now I'm going to buy it to show some support.
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