EPTA lot of players got new sponsorships by playing in the NASL and after all it's the west where the sc2 really flourishes, not in Korea. Sure, they got better players and GSL. But that's pretty much the only tournament worth mentioning. The big tournaments and big sponsorship deals just aren't there. I think the Koreans hurt themselves by not coming. I will still watch NASL.
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sCnDiamond
Germany340 Posts
A lot of players got new sponsorships by playing in the NASL and after all it's the west where the sc2 really flourishes, not in Korea. Sure, they got better players and GSL. But that's pretty much the only tournament worth mentioning. The big tournaments and big sponsorship deals just aren't there. I think the Koreans hurt themselves by not coming. I will still watch NASL. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On August 13 2011 03:39 purecarnagge wrote: o.O. Sue them for breach of contract. But honestly its all done wrong. If they dont have deposits in by this date then you don't pariticpate and you get replaced. Deposits and contracts must have a firm deadline. When you are unwilling to hold to those deadlines then you create problems for yourself. Suing them would accomplish nothing really. There is no money to be had, they are broke. Might be able to force them to honour the contract but courts take to long to make that relevant. And I believe neither side want to be true adversaries. They want bridges still standing for S3 (or possibly this season) since the hardball tactic failed. I'd be pretty surprised if NASL and SC2Con has completely stopped talking to each other. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
And the thing with "buhu the koreans don't do anything for foreigners in the gsl, but want our tournaments to treat them like kings.": What kind of bullshit is this? How do you think Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sase got into Code A? How do you think they could form this F-United team and participate at the GSTL? How do you think Naniwa & co. are finding practice partners, when "Those Koreans don't even speak english."? How stupid has someone to be, to truly believe such a fucking shit? Of course it is not very impressing to have to go for one month or more into a foreign country with a total different culture and very few contacts there. So not so many non-koreans have taken this chance. But the GSL is doing a lot to make it pleasent for the foreigners living in Korea. And the foreigners with guts like Naniwa and Thorzain have taken this chance immediately, showing that they are great professionals with the desire to improve and compete. The whole SC2 community has to work together to bring and keep SC2 to the peak of esports. And this NASL drama causes actual a lot damage. And I must admit that in this case, I can fully understand the point of the SC2Con. And until NASL gives more insight into its contracts and financial status, I and I think many more won't be able to unterstand their point of view. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 13 2011 03:44 VillageBC wrote:They want bridges still standing for S3 (or possibly this season) since the hardball tactic failed. I'd be pretty surprised if NASL and SC2Con has completely stopped talking to each other. I sincerely doubt they are still talking right now. If they were that other article wouldn't have come up bashing NASL, and NASL.tv would not be posting this much on TL (wait until negotiations finished - you can make the initial announcement but then not keep commentating on who signed contracts when and whatnot). I doubt S2 can have Koreans in it - maybe future seasons. | ||
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QxGRockEr
United States191 Posts
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On August 13 2011 03:46 FairForever wrote: I sincerely doubt they are still talking right now. If they were that other article wouldn't have come up bashing NASL, and NASL.tv would not be posting this much on TL (wait until negotiations finished - you can make the initial announcement but then not keep commentating on who signed contracts when and whatnot). I doubt S2 can have Koreans in it - maybe future seasons. It's not uncommon to see two parties walk away from negotiations and return to the table. All with public, heated debates. It's what happens with contracts/unions. And this seems to be a bit of the SC2Con acting as a union bit. It just seems silly to take your ball and go home and not leave some communications there. Koreans often complain of not having enough tournaments at home to compete in, and wanting to travel abroad to compete. Completely walking out on one of the largest tournaments/leagues available to compete in just does not make sense to me. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 13 2011 03:45 TeeTS wrote: The question I'm asking me is: If the money NASL offered the SC2Con should be enough for traveling and lodging and so on.(Cause that's what the NASL wants to make us think) Why the hell didn't they offer to simply arrange and pay for this stuff for every finalist and delete the stipendia? Basically that was all the Koreans wanted. But NASL said "No...... what about some more money, that should be enough." And the thing with "buhu the koreans don't do anything for foreigners in the gsl, but want our tournaments to treat them like kings.": What kind of bullshit is this? How do you think Thorzain, Naniwa, Fenix and Sase got into Code A? How do you think they could form this F-United team and participate at the GSTL? How do you think Naniwa & co. are finding practice partners, when "Those Koreans don't even speak english."? How stupid has someone to be, to truly believe such a fucking shit? Of course it is not very impressing to have to go for one month or more into a foreign country with a total different culture and very few contacts there. So not so many non-koreans have taken this chance. But the GSL is doing a lot to make it pleasent for the foreigners living in Korea. And the foreigners with guts like Naniwa and Thorzain have taken this chance immediately, showing that they are great professionals with the desire to improve and compete. The whole SC2 community has to work together to bring and keep SC2 to the peak of esports. And this NASL drama causes actual a lot damage. And I must admit that in this case, I can fully understand the point of the SC2Con. And until NASL gives more insight into its contracts and financial status, I and I think many more won't be able to unterstand their point of view. Your question has been answered at least three times in this thread, including by one of the managers of TL. $2000 is more than enough to pay a round-trip cost for a Korean. | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 13 2011 03:46 FairForever wrote: I sincerely doubt they are still talking right now. If they were that other article wouldn't have come up bashing NASL, and NASL.tv would not be posting this much on TL (wait until negotiations finished - you can make the initial announcement but then not keep commentating on who signed contracts when and whatnot). I doubt S2 can have Koreans in it - maybe future seasons. They will have the non-affiliated Koreans and maybe a few wishing to serve out their contracts if allowed. In all likelihood, if there is an S3, I don't see NASL permabanning the Koreans from it. I also don't see the Koreans trying to attempt this kind of blatant douchebaggery again. If anything, it will just be a reduction in the number of Koreans and a possible change in the scheduling/play style. Just my guess. The point still stands that when the Koreans don't do things like this, they help NASL a lot. Hopefully by s4 they will have an MLG style arrangement that will prevent anything else like this from happening | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 13 2011 03:50 VillageBC wrote: It's not uncommon to see two parties walk away from negotiations and return to the table. All with public, heated debates. It's what happens with contracts/unions. And this seems to be a bit of the SC2Con acting as a union bit. It just seems silly to take your ball and go home and not leave some communications there. Koreans often complain of not having enough tournaments at home to compete in, and wanting to travel abroad to compete. Completely walking out on one of the largest tournaments/leagues available to compete in just does not make sense to me. Difference is NASL and SC2Con seem to be making statements attacking each other. I'm not saying they won't renegotiate but I highly doubt they are at this point in time. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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NASL.tv
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
On August 13 2011 00:02 aeoliant wrote: too bad for both sides I don't see why it should be bad for the korean players. they're losing nothing! | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 13 2011 04:04 gehgrfhgrh wrote: I don't see why it should be bad for the korean players. they're losing nothing! They're also not gaining the chance to win 50k, which in itself is a lost. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On August 13 2011 04:04 gehgrfhgrh wrote: I don't see why it should be bad for the korean players. they're losing nothing! You are absolutely right. Puma and MMA would be sooooooooooo much more popular if they had just stayed in korea and never played a foreign tournament ... Your logic is flawed. Still .... live long and prosper i guess ^^ | ||
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Ghostface_Killa
United States168 Posts
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muddymuddy
United States22 Posts
On August 13 2011 04:07 BlueFlames wrote: You are absolutely right. Puma and MMA would be sooooooooooo much more popular if they had just stayed in korea and never played a foreign tournament ... Your logic is flawed. Still .... live long and prosper i guess ^^ I disagree. I would argue they lose a lot. There can only come positive things from getting Western/global sponsors for your team and players, and the best way to do that is through participation in Western/global tournaments. I think PuMa is a perfect example of why participating in global tournaments is advantageous. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On August 13 2011 04:12 Ghostface_Killa wrote: good attempts, but too little too late just sealed NASL's fate. I don't expect to see them around after this season, or the next, without those Korean players. I'm the opposite. Season 2 is more interesting to me because there isn't 16 Koreans in it. I want to see more of the good EU/NA players, not the same players I see when I watch Code S/A. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Now, on the matter of contracts and such, and the ethics of SC2Con forbidding players from entering even if their team is willing to foot the bill, I'm not so sure about that. It's pretty obvious though that the Koreans do not like the NASL staff for whatever reason, and an amicable business relationship is not possible. Unfortunately, the result of this I think is that everyone loses, especially the NASL which likely will not survive without Korean support after a failed season one. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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