[July] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 27

On August 08 2011 13:42 Clog wrote:
By my math, the KR PvT data that everyone is talking about is around 8 games away from being 45-55, which is considered as approximately balanced. Protoss probably is weak here, but man, I hate having so little data. And like a lot of people have been saying, a lot of terrans have been winning in a similar manner - one basing it up. Would like to see more time for pro P's to find out ways to handle those all ins, although a slight P buff isn't out of the question imo

On August 08 2011 12:42 sjschmidt93 wrote:


And anything but an all in "melts" 2 gate robo.

On August 08 2011 12:42 Ryder. wrote:

They are the same speed until you upgrade them. All his other points stand though.

On August 08 2011 12:43 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
The only thing that one can deduce from these graphs is that making inferences based on a single month's results is utterly pointless.

On August 07 2011 20:00 Gheizen64 wrote:
Warpgate is a mechanic that promote too much offensive advantage (all-ins) and force most gateway units to be bad. However changing how the warpgate work would be a too big of a change for Toss, until HotS at least.

That aside, Blizzard should seriously consider nerfing 1-1-1. The Thor was nerfed for a lot less. This is almost as bad as looking 5-rax reapers, it's frustrating even for a viewer. Dunno how you can nerf that without making too big since Terran already feel the weakest race after midgame. Make Marine 40 hp without the shields to nerf early-game all-ins overall? Add a 5-10 secs switch time when you connect an add-on to delay all those timing?

We'll see.

On August 08 2011 14:28 skatbone wrote:


What do you mean by "force most gateway units to be bad"? I realize there was an all-collosus-all-the-time trend in TvP for a months; but haven't we moved beyond that? Numerous pro players have pioneered styles that showcase the strength of upgraded gateway units (templar included).

While the long-term viability of these styles (and current success, I guess, seeing as toss isn't faring well against T according to these stats) is still a question, the warpgate mechanic, imo, gives toss a unique late-game vs T as 20 gates allow me to bank money and hit massive resupplies.

And how is T the weakest late-game race? That too, sounds like an outdated sentiment (Thorzain almost always plays for the late-game.).

tl;dr I don't see how, in your reasoning, warp gate mechanics are part of the problem of toss losing a lot to terran.

On August 08 2011 16:14 Toadvine wrote:


Imagine if Terran could reinforce bio instantly (by dropping stuff down from orbit like in the campaign) anywhere on the map. Think Marines and Marauders could stay the way they are with this option available?

That is how Warpgate makes gateway units worse than they should be.

On August 08 2011 16:40 fant0m wrote:
It seems to be mostly 1/1/1 in PvT.

PvZ I think it's more the fact that Z are "figuring out" FFE and 3 gate sentry expand. Z are starting to know exactly how to be greedy enough to take a 3rd and retain the economic advantage.

On August 08 2011 14:04 Drowsy wrote:



true : (

On August 08 2011 17:07 CruelZeratul wrote:
So Terran has been winning more nearly the whole time span this graph is showing and still no Terrans wants to think about his race perhaps being slightly to strong?

On August 08 2011 17:18 jmbthirteen wrote:

And it has nothing to do with Terran being the most popular race...

Even in July, as the graphs show a high Terran win% we see the other races doing very well. ZvZ Code S finals, PvP Code A finals. Even this weekend we saw + Show Spoiler +.

But no, Terran being the most popular race isn't why they are winning more games. Not like the five that finished at the top of MLG were Korean trained or anything...