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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:33 CruelZeratul wrote: So how does popularity influence winrates? And what do you mean by popularity? The number of pro's for one race? Overall Terran doesn not have more players than the other races. Most popular race, more players playing the race, larger amount of better players. | ||
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FYRE
New Zealand314 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:36 jmbthirteen wrote: Most popular race, more players playing the race, larger amount of better players. http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all There are not significantly more Teran players so the fact that the race has more players at the top can't be explained that way. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:33 CruelZeratul wrote: So how does popularity influence winrates? And what do you mean by popularity? The number of pro's for one race? Overall Terran doesn not have more players than the other races. In Korea(the most skilled server by a decent margin), there are far more masters+ terrans than any other race. As a result, the terrans look for ways to distinguish themselves as better players than all the other terrans, and as such become refined far more quickly through intense competition. Add in the fact that terran out of all the races allows for the most different styles, and you get popularity = increase in skill. It only takes one terran to create a build. | ||
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Ganseng
Russian Federation473 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:50 CruelZeratul wrote: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/all/1/all There are not significantly more Teran players so the fact that the race has more players at the top can't be explained that way. Except the major difference in win% isn't global, its in Korea. And when looking at the race distribution in Korea, there are more Terrans by a good bit. http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:54 Amui wrote: In Korea(the most skilled server by a decent margin), there are far more masters+ terrans than any other race. As a result, the terrans look for ways to distinguish themselves as better players than all the other terrans, and as such become refined far more quickly through intense competition. Add in the fact that terran out of all the races allows for the most different styles, and you get popularity = increase in skill. It only takes one terran to create a build. It was stated on numerous korean streams that in korea it's the perception that terran is the strongest race. That's the reason so many people in korea play it. I won't judge if it's imbalanced or design, maybe both of them. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
On August 07 2011 09:41 ZappaSC wrote: Wow that looks crazy... what have the terrans learned since last month that i have completly missed? o.O getting into an aeroplane and own foreigner tournees  | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:17 DoofUndance wrote: People don't understand variance/statistics at all. If you flip a perfectly balanced coin, what should be 50/50 it could still be 60/40 after 400 flips. Look at professional poker players. They play millions of hands each month and can have losing/break even streaks of a year (!) purely because of variance and still can be winning players long term. If you get 60/40 after 19710 flips (about the same amount of tournament games played this month), I'd probably start looking at the coin you where using as well. Terran has been the overall dominating race since release. They have been on top constantly for the last 7 months, and you still don't think that the statistics can be used as an indication that something is wrong? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On August 08 2011 18:08 Ganseng wrote: these statistics represent absolutely insufficient number of games. you can just look at the rapid changes (plunges and peaks from 60 % to 40 % and other way) and see how little these graphs really represent. One month of evolution in gameplay, and patches, can be more than enough to change the tide. I'd say 19710 games played in tournaments only, is a very good number for statistical analyzis. | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
On August 07 2011 11:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Id expect it to look better next month (unless some new allin is discovered), because Ps on ladder seem 10x better at dealing with 1-1-1 builds than they did 2-3 weeks ago. Obviously this wont show up in statistics until next month, however. It isn't happening so far yet.. I think protoss is like 0-3 with this already this month =( | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On August 08 2011 19:32 Zealot Lord wrote: It isn't happening so far yet.. I think protoss is like 0-3 with this already this month =( Hmm, 0-3. Ganzi 1/1/1'd every Protoss in the qualifiers. Every Protoss in the up and down lost to 1/1/1 :X PvT is fine if you exclude 1/1/1. But really, this build has been around for so long, so depressing that there isn't a good response to it .__. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 09 2011 05:00 Drowsy wrote: Maybe Blizzard should man up and just nerf marine's damage output already (base attack speed specifically), seems like it would fix both the 1/1/1 dominance as well as zvt. You can't nerf damage itself though, otherwise marines would suffer way too much from guardian shield. Only cooldown is/would be an option. | ||
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Yew
United States940 Posts
August isn't looking better for Protoss. They have gone 0-4 so far, and the one protoss that moved on was in a PvP D: | ||
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pwadoc
271 Posts
On August 09 2011 05:21 sleepingdog wrote: You can't nerf damage itself though, otherwise marines would suffer way too much from guardian shield. Only cooldown is/would be an option. I think bio movement speed would be a better nerf target. It would blunt the offensive power of bio without sacrificing too much defensive capability. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 09 2011 05:28 pwadoc wrote: I think bio movement speed would be a better nerf target. It would blunt the offensive power of bio without sacrificing too much defensive capability. Well protoss can deal with marine tank for the most part, and so can zerg. Any marine change would have huge repercussions in the tvz mu. Only unit which could be changed without much feedback is the banshee. 9+3 or 10+2 to light would really only hurt the banshee against queens, which is fine. 2 port won't be as autowin against a zerg with only 3 queens | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
I don't buy the the infestors buff. Hardly anyone in Korea uses infestors anyway not to mention it's just a slight buff. What happened is now Zerg can take fast 3rds with little risks burying protoss later with numbers of any number of units. 1/1/1 has always been around since beta, the counter was gate pushes, which now come too late so Terran is free to do them with little risk. Until Protoss gets reliable and effective harass again they will stay behind economically and continue to lose mid and late game due to sheer numbers. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On August 08 2011 17:36 jmbthirteen wrote: Most popular race, more players playing the race, larger amount of better players. Only recently is terran most played Prior to patch 1.3 Protoss was most played at grandmaster in korea http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/fea/1/all/0/130 | ||
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