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On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army.
Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything.
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On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything.
Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is.
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On August 09 2011 09:06 Zuxo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is.
Ya its good if you like falling behind in every upgrade category. Thats really a gigantic flaw in the combo.
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These numbers, the MLG performance and the revelation that Metalopolis and Tal D'Arim are imbalanced maps doesn't give me a lot of confidence. I think the 1.3 series patches were supposed to stabilize TvZ but they appear to have made TvP and ZvP a bit fragile.
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On August 09 2011 09:15 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 09:06 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is. Ya its good if you like falling behind in every upgrade category. Thats really a gigantic flaw in the combo.
and they don't get the benefits of mediavac. hellions were made to fight when going mech, but that don't change the fact that they are really good harass/scout units even when going MMMVG
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On August 09 2011 09:15 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 09:06 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is. Ya its good if you like falling behind in every upgrade category. Thats really a gigantic flaw in the combo.
Hmm well even some Hellions (with blue flame ofc) with 0/0 mixed in with the main bio-army is really strong.
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zvp korea is the craziest thing
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On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything.
You have to go up three upgrade trees but it should be effective if you kill him in mid/early late game. After that I'm not sure how it will do against a max'd out protoss. Especially if he mixes in archons.
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On August 09 2011 09:15 Jayrod wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 09:06 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is. Ya its good if you like falling behind in every upgrade category. Thats really a gigantic flaw in the combo.
I don't see upgrades being important in a Hellion vs Zealot (or any other Protoss light ground units), so you're just going to be upgrading for marauders and vikings, which is what people do now anyway.
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On August 09 2011 09:35 Sangyerians wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. You have to go up three upgrade trees but it should be effective if you kill him in mid/early late game. After that I'm not sure how it will do against a max'd out protoss. Especially if he mixes in archons.
Ghosts are pretty good against archons though.
On August 09 2011 09:36 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 09:15 Jayrod wrote:On August 09 2011 09:06 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is. Ya its good if you like falling behind in every upgrade category. Thats really a gigantic flaw in the combo. I don't see upgrades being important in a Hellion vs Zealot (or any other Protoss light ground units), so you're just going to be upgrading for marauders and vikings, which is what people do now anyway.
Exactly
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On August 09 2011 09:32 Zuxo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 09:15 Jayrod wrote:On August 09 2011 09:06 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Yeah wrote that same composition earlier in this thread. It is pretty insane how good that combo is. Ya its good if you like falling behind in every upgrade category. Thats really a gigantic flaw in the combo. Hmm well even some Helions with 0/0 mixed in with the main bio-army is really strong.
Okay so :
viking+ghost+hellions+marauder = way too much mineral
and : you can't deal properly against colossus heavy composition because he will be ahead on upgrades
+ microing 4 different types of unit is lol.
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On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything.
actually, almost anything + ghosts looks viable against protoss
On August 09 2011 09:37 Poopi wrote:
Okay so :
viking+ghost+hellions+marauder = way too much mineral
and : you can't deal properly against colossus heavy composition because he will be ahead on upgrades
+ microing 4 different types of unit is lol.
the only diference is that you trade marines-hellions. you get stronger against templar and/or mass zealot play, and weaker against mass phoenix and maybe archon play.
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On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything.
Meh, why not go mech at that Point? Unsieged Tanks have a similar DPS as Marauders IIRC and they can siege if you grab a good position and they both benefit from vehicle upgrades. Ghost doesn´t even need Infantry upgrades since their main use is EMP.
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On August 09 2011 09:35 Drazzyo wrote:
zvp korea is the craziest thing
LOL yeah. it's like a granddaddy long leg.
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On August 09 2011 09:40 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 08:58 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 08:51 Zuxo wrote:On August 09 2011 08:19 rpgalon wrote:On August 09 2011 08:02 tdt wrote:On August 09 2011 07:59 Amui wrote:On August 09 2011 07:54 tdt wrote:
More I think about it SC2 is becoming like BW with protoss as stepchild. Look back, Terrans had long time pwnage with Boxer, Iloveoov, NaDa, Flash, Fantasy...
Zerg too, but not as much, with July, Jaedong and Savior...
And Protoss? Meh, mostly Bisu and Nal_Ra vs Savior and not much more. None of them ever managed to stay on top more than one season sorta like MC.
Mc's championships came off of him pioneering new timing attacks and having extremely solid standard play. However as people figured out the timing attacks, protoss can only fall back on solid play, which also has its inherent weakness of lack of punishing ability LOL once again like BW, in order win his OSL Bisu needed a brand new build that took everyone by surprise and crazy high APM... people figured it out and the rest is a rather dismal history. and yet, people voted protoss as the least explored race, when i feel they were the first to experiment new things. the race feels gimmick and just because of it, i think protoss players are by far the most inovatives, they need to be... just look how long it took to terran players to start using lots of ghosts and BFH, I wonder if KA would still get removed if ghost had been used back then Yeah. I wonder how long it takes for Ts to realize how good hellions are vs zealots and starts using them instead of marines in their main army. Blue Flame Hellion, marauder, viking, ghost will be standard in 6 mo. Deals with everything. Meh, why not go mech at that Point? Unsieged Tanks have a similar DPS as Marauders IIRC and they can siege if you grab a good position and they both benefit from vehicle upgrades. Ghost doesn´t even need Infantry upgrades since their main use is EMP.
Medivac heal + stim makes the marauder better then an unsieged tank. Also 2 marauder is only 2 supply
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wow tvz is pretty bad for zergs in korea
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On August 09 2011 09:48 FluidKMC wrote:
wow tvz is pretty bad for zergs in korea
Quit trolling, +/- 3 percentage points is damn near balanced. TvP is a whole different story...
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Does this mean people will stop complaining that toss is imba in LR threads? >_>
We will rise again, children of Aiur...
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seems like the only one struggling with zvp haha
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The problem with "terran just has much better players than the other races in Korea" is that if there is actually any imbalance in the game, it's impossible to say if they are actually the better players or look better because their race is better at that level. For instance, what if Bomber was protoss, would people be as amazed by his play? If Polt was zerg, would he still have won the super tournament? Are people like Puzzle who win Code A just so much better than their opponents that he would have been a top terran? Would MC do better as terran? etc. I remember he offraced a lot of pros at HSC3 and won. I think he 3-0'd Nerchio with terran but I think at least a part of it was a good 2rax bunker rush. He also beat MMA in a friendly offrace TvP at MLG but it may have been a joke game. I mean, how many facepalm moments do you see in TvT, a matchup that should be considered the true test of a terrans skill? Forgetting siege, letting stuff just burn down without repair, not upgrading at all in the late game, not sim-citying whatsoever in the blue flame hellion wars, etc.
Hard to say. We'll see what Blizzard does. PvT midgame seems fairly balanced. Late game seems to be based on skill and positioning. The HT and Colossus army and possibility of mass gateway is powerful but you almost never see terrans mass OCs and sacrifice their scvs (which is silly, people say protoss doesn't innovate but terrans still don't seem to be doing this when it's obviously excellent) and a lot of losses for either side have points in the engagement where you can say 'this went wrong'. However most protoss are getting hugely dominated by the 1-1-1, usually later in a bo3 where the protoss before just slaughtered the terran in a macro game (a lot of Ganzi's play in the qualifiers come to mind).
Right now the PvT in Korea this month seems to be like...3 wins to 10 maybe? Small sample size atm though but there's been a good bit of dominance.
PvZ just seems like a boring and strict matchup. It's a turtle fest for protoss or a timing push, since any movement to the zerg's side of the map is basically an all-or-nothing commitment and harass becomes difficult when the zerg is good at defending. It feels as if the entire game is dictated by what the zerg does and their defensive ability. Some stuff could be altered but it just feels extremely boring and PvT has a lot more variety. Hopefully there will be some breakthroughs or HoS makes the matchup a lot more interestnig.
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EPT
