[July] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 31

On August 09 2011 14:54 Heavenly wrote:
The problem with "terran just has much better players than the other races in Korea" is that if there is actually any imbalance in the game, it's impossible to say if they are actually the better players or look better because their race is better at that level. For instance, what if Bomber was protoss, would people be as amazed by his play? If Polt was zerg, would he still have won the super tournament? Are people like Puzzle who win Code A just so much better than their opponents that he would have been a top terran? Would MC do better as terran? etc. I remember he offraced a lot of pros at HSC3 and won. I think he 3-0'd Nerchio with terran but I think at least a part of it was a good 2rax bunker rush. He also beat MMA in a joke offrace TvP at MLG but it may have been a joke game.

Hard to say. We'll see what Blizzard does. PvT midgame seems fairly balanced. Late game seems to be based on skill and positioning. The HT and Colossus army and possibility of mass gateway is powerful but you almost never see terrans mass OCs and sacrifice their scvs (which is silly, people say protoss doesn't innovate but terrans still don't seem to be doing this when it's obviously excellent) and a lot of losses for either side have points in the engagement where you can say 'this went wrong'. However most protoss are getting hugely dominated by the 1-1-1, usually later in a bo3 where the protoss before just slaughtered the terran in a macro game (a lot of Ganzi's play in the qualifiers come to mind).

Right now the PvT in Korea this month seems to be like...3 wins to 10 maybe? Small sample size atm though but there's been a good bit of dominance.

On August 09 2011 08:14 SidianTheBard wrote:


Except You need to do some type of harass to a zerg when you fast expand or else he will only double expand and/or drone pump and you will be behind anyway. What does a protoss have to do? Stargate & DTs expands are both "countered" (mostly) by 1 spore crawler at each base. So no DT or Stargate tech. This leaves a timing attack with gateways, which we've seen constantly the past 2 months and for the most part are slowly starting to get figured out and if the zerg scouts the massive amount of gateways going down toss will most likely lose. Finally we've got a collosus push or an archon push, but those can't happen until you get at least 3 or 4 of them so your ground army won't get completely decimated. Problem with going robo is if they go mutas (which our 6 or 7 gate timing attack was designed to crush) we will get owned by mutas and contained hard. If we don't do any pressure protoss have to sit back passively hoping they can get 3 base with a great economy and killing zerg in a single blow.

It's getting to the point that toss can't do anything to a competent zerg now a day.

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On August 10 2011 04:12 Ctuchik wrote:
Thanks for posting this ZL, I totally forgot! It's still way to early to tell on the August stats, but so far they look pretty decent.

On August 10 2011 04:26 Die4Ever wrote:

So far Protoss is 4-8 vs Terran in the GSL. 2 of those wins are from Tassadar vs Fenix. So 2-8 if you only count Korean vs Korean.

On August 10 2011 04:07 Toadvine wrote:
I kind of hope all the Protoss players in Code S die to Terran all-ins, then the same thing happens in Up/Downs, and we get maybe one Protoss remaining, alongside 7 Zergs and 24 Terrans. It would be hilarious beyond all measure.

On August 10 2011 06:10 Heavenly wrote:


The funniest part is that this is actually likely. Though because of PvP a couple will make it out in the beginning. Now we have Naniwa and Sase, two of the best foreigner protoss outside of Korea (with Naniwa being seen as the best) going to Code A and I have a feeling they won't go too far either. So the whole "Korea just has no good protoss" argument will be funny to see because it'll be "the entire world has no good protosses" even though if you take a look at Naniwa's face after each tournament loss you know he practices his heart out probably 8-10+ hours a day.

On August 10 2011 04:12 Ctuchik wrote:
Thanks for posting this ZL, I totally forgot! It's still way to early to tell on the August stats, but so far they look pretty decent.

On August 10 2011 04:12 Ctuchik wrote:
Thanks for posting this ZL, I totally forgot! It's still way to early to tell on the August stats, but so far they look pretty decent.

On August 09 2011 15:04 tdt wrote:
2 rax
2 rax marauder push
2 rax marauder all in

if you take a look at Naniwa's face after each tournament loss you know he practices his heart out probably 8-10+ hours a day.

On August 10 2011 20:50 paradisefar wrote:
and statistically, toss players are much whinier than other races, much more reactive to any "signs" of their up'ness, and thus toss got all the buffs and still don't quit on it. toss are just spoiled badly by blizzard.