EPTMLG Potential Prize Pool Increase - Page 43
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frozenrb
Poland389 Posts
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:07 Vul wrote: That first sentence just isn't true, there's a whole shit ton of great Koreans who could win this tournament who aren't there. That's not necessarily a problem, but clearly the event could be bigger, you don't have to wait for a boycott. I'm sure that they'll increase the prize pool/expand the tournament when they feel it makes sense to do it financially. I'm also sure it will have nothing to do with boycotting, lol I wonder why the Koreans aren't over here? Could it be because some of them were playing in the GSL? Maybe. That would make sense, right? But... I wonder why Koreans would want to play in a Korean based tournament? Maybe it's because they live in Korea? Yeah! That's gotta be it! Most of the top SC2 players who are available showed up. The tournament isn't a joke by any means. The top foreigners in the world are playing, coupled with a few high class Koreans. Is the goal of the MLG to destroy the GSL and take all of their players? Because if that's the case they've got a long way to go. And I get it. There doesn't need to be a boycott. I never said that. They can raise the prize pool whenever they want if you ignore the business aspect of the MLG, (which is what this thread pretty much boiled down to) but at that point you're just showing me that you haven't read through it at all. | ||
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:25 NightAngel wrote: So you don't want a raise at work unless you boycott your job? Is that seriously your stance on this? We're not talking about a job. We're talking about a company that is going to collapse if they aren't careful with their situation. Did you even read through this thread at all? Sundance is saying that they NEED a huge number of passes sold to even consider raising the prize pools. They NEED money and if the professionals are showing up to the tournament with the pools as they are now then that money can go elsewhere. It's not that hard to understand. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
He's the only reason Starcraft ll is even considered an eSport in North America. He's the reason people like Geoff can even consider becoming full time professional players, and he's attacked for trying to keep MLG afloat? His pockets aren't bottomless. Perhaps Geoff was tilting after losing his matches Friday night and misspoke, but that doesn't excuse the mindless sheep who jumped to back him up. Be grateful for MLG and what it's doing for this community. | ||
Mastertouch
United States136 Posts
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:35 Sd9 wrote: We're not talking about a job. We're talking about a company that is going to collapse if they aren't careful with their situation. Did you even read through this thread at all? Sundance is saying that they NEED a huge number of passes sold to even consider raising the prize pools. They NEED money and if the professionals are showing up to the tournament with the pools as they are now then that money can go elsewhere. It's not that hard to understand. You're right, it ISN'T that hard to understand, you just seem to be missing the point completely. I think you are making yourself seem like the one who hasn't read the thread. Either that, or you assume to know Sundance's plans for the expantion of MLG in the coming years, so you know the subscriber count needed better than he does. MLG is NOT going to collapse. They are doing a phenomenal job with their live events. How you can even suggest that MLG is going to collapse when tournaments and leagues such as the NASL are able to have a second season is beyond me. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:42 Grimjim wrote: What is with this community? Sundance says he will raise the prize pool if he can get enough subscribers, and suddenly he's jumped on like a wounded deer in an African savannah. Be grateful for MLG and what it's doing for this community. I know, because of iNcontroL's size, you might mistake him for a full-grown lion, but he's really not. No one is jumping on Sundance here. They're just pointing out a simple flaw in his logic and somehow THAT is what sparked the heated debate that you now see in this thread. We're all grateful for what MLG is doing but that doesn't mean we can't question tweets that make no sense to us. | ||
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Alyoshka
United States10 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:53 NightAngel wrote: You're right, it ISN'T that hard to understand, you just seem to be missing the point completely. I think you are making yourself seem like the one who hasn't read the thread. Either that, or you assume to know Sundance's plans for the expantion of MLG in the coming years, so you know the subscriber count needed better than he does. MLG is NOT going to collapse. They are doing a phenomenal job with their live events. How you can even suggest that MLG is going to collapse when tournaments and leagues such as the NASL are able to have a second season is beyond me. Unless I'm mistaken, you have no clue on the revenue streams or the costs associated with these events. Just because they're popular and successful from a technical point of view doesn't mean anything about the profitability of their business model. NASL has been guaranteed through 3 seasons. This means someone put up the money for the 3 seasons in the hopes of generating either profitability or, at the very least, sustainability (some corporations can exist being revenue negative for many years if there is a light at the end of the tunnel (see Facebook). | ||
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:53 NightAngel wrote: You're right, it ISN'T that hard to understand, you just seem to be missing the point completely. I think you are making yourself seem like the one who hasn't read the thread. Either that, or you assume to know Sundance's plans for the expantion of MLG in the coming years, so you know the subscriber count needed better than he does. MLG is NOT going to collapse. They are doing a phenomenal job with their live events. How you can even suggest that MLG is going to collapse when tournaments and leagues such as the NASL are able to have a second season is beyond me. Either you're blind or you're just ignoring the entire reason why this debate is heated at all. Sundance wrote: "if that number is to high than I need to cut prize money next year."" That quote right there is what I'm talking about. He said they would need to cut prize money if they didn't get enough subscribers. They NEED money. Thank you for proving that you're assuming even more than I am and have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On July 31 2011 06:59 Sd9 wrote: I know, because of iNcontroL's size, you might mistake him for a full-grown lion, but he's really not. No one is jumping on Sundance here. They're just pointing out a simple flaw in his logic and somehow THAT is what sparked the heated debate that you now see in this thread. We're all grateful for what MLG is doing but that doesn't mean we can't question tweets that make no sense to us. What logic flaw? More subscribers = more money = more prize money? Seems quite flawless to me. Please explain your lack of understanding. Are you speaking of the second tweet? That was a joke. Haha. Hehe. Unless you happen to be MLG's accountant, I don't think you're allowed to make judgements over their use of money. | ||
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:05 Slider954 wrote: Ahh but his tweets did make sense to ALOT of people, we understood what he was saying. If some people got butt hurt cause of the way and manner he said it, that's their problem. He was being straight forward and to the point. When you're at the head of the MLG you need to act like it. Sometimes being straight-forward and to the point is disadvantageous; this is one of those times. He brought up business negotiations with an entire community. That just doesn't make sense. We shouldn't be worrying about whether or not he can provide a bigger prize pool for the players. That's not our job. We're here to watch. If he wants us to subscribe he can't just ask us to do it because we have to. That's just bullshit. And you're right, he's not asking us to subscribe just because we have to, but the bottom line is that his tweets aren't clear. He wants us to subscribe so that there will be a bigger prize pool next year and somehow that will make all of MLG better? That logic might make sense to the average TL poster but it just doesn't hold up under any scrutiny at all. I have nothing against Sundance. In fact, I didn't even know who he was until I read through this post. He sounds like a good guy and is trying his best to provide the community with what they want. The only reason I'm here is because everyone is attacking my main man iNcontroL. So far this thread has made him out to be a douchetastic-hypocrytical-clarkstanley-full-grown-lion. And I'm only ok with it now that he's considered to be on the same level as a lion. | ||
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:08 Grimjim wrote: What logic flaw? More subscribers = more money = more prize money? Seems quite flawless to me. Please explain your lack of understanding. Are you speaking of the second tweet? That was a joke. Haha. Hehe. Unless you happen to be MLG's accountant, I don't think you're allowed to make judgements over their use of money. The one where he asked the entire community to provide more money to the MLG and in return he would provide no benefit to them. He's going to give more money to the winners of the tournament. If you think that somehow correlates to making the entire tournament better then you're being overly optimistic. That's all I'm saying. That's it. | ||
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greendestiny
Bosnia-Herzegovina114 Posts
I'm reminded of an article over on ArsTechnica, titled (I paraphrase) "Blocking our ads = stealing" where users were kindly asked if they could "Whitelist our site, because you see, we're having financial difficulties, we can't pay salaries to our staff, and besides, we tested blocking users who have ad blocking, it worked, and you don't want us to do it, now do you?" But what truly shocked me were elitistic responses from people who forced themselves to watch ads and tried to present it as something good: "Yeah, man I watch ads, I'm so cool, block the damn freeloaders". I think the same reply I gave there applies here: If your business (MLG in this case) is struggling financially and eventually does fail, it will be because whoever was in charge, made the wrong decisions, over and over again. It will have absolutely nothing with me, you or neighbor next door not paying to watch it. Read and re-read the previous parapgraph until it sinks in. It is not your fault MLG is not making enough profit. And then we have these kinds of posts in this thread: On July 29 2011 14:27 Charger wrote: If the low quality is terrible as always, they should have no problems :p That's the only reason I paid at least. Dude, you're paying for a service in advance. That's a ripoff in and of itself. Do you have any common sense? Sundance just said they are struggling with subscriptions. Do you know why is that? Their free content sucks. I know because I watch it. Do you know what I get? Low & Medium quality streams with ads and ... That's about it? To me, that says "Pony up the cash or fuck off". How on earth is MLG supposed to become popular outside of hardcore SC2 players pool (which you apparently belong to, since you bought MLG pass) if their free content is crappy quality stream with a gray strip taking top 1/5 of the screen? I don't care that much about quality, as long as video isn't choppy and audio quality is decent, I think I can watch just about anything. In fact, I neither have the hardware nor bandwidth for High quality (720p on Youtube is unwatchable for me, 480p is ok). But for spoiled Westerner, if it isn't 1080p, he won't even bother with it (I'm aware you can see this as possible stereotype, but I think it's generally correct). Imagine some casual player, he never played SC2, but heard of it from his friends, thinking to himself "Hey, MLG, let's see what this is about ... oh nice, free stream ... wtf quality" *closes tab* and never looks back. That's a potential subscriber lost for good. If I were able to make decisions related to MLG, I would make Low & Medium & High & Ultra quality streams available for free, and have premium content for paying subscribers (interviews with players, post-game analysis, mail notifications, VODs whatever). I would forgo short-term profit for long-term advertisement and word of mouth between people who never before played SC saying to one another "Man, they have Ultra quality stream for free, imagine what they have for paying subscribers" or "I have nothing else to do, but I'm gonna watch MLG even though I don't know what this SC is, just because it's free Ultra quality". But, but, but, greendestiny, you live in a fantasy land where money grows on trees. This isn't how businesses work This is how I would make it and may heavens fall. And I'm sure subscription base would explode. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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hicks91
United Kingdom50 Posts
Just go get some give us some peace User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Sd9
United States26 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:36 Slider954 wrote: I fail to understand how the community helping esports grow provides no benefit to them at all. I fail to understand how giving money to esports directly translates into helping esports grow. Sundance's tweets make it seem like that money is needed for esports to continue to exist as it is now, not for it to grow. And you're right, that does benefit us, just not in the way that it should benefit a paying customer. We're not supposed to be the ones keeping MLG afloat. We're supposed to be a source of income, but we're not supposed to be THE source of income. Stop acting like we're the ones that are responsible for whether MLG is successful or not. It's a business. It's responsible for itself. Deal with it. | ||
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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
On July 31 2011 07:24 Sd9 wrote: The one where he asked the entire community to provide more money to the MLG and in return he would provide no benefit to them. He's going to give more money to the winners of the tournament. If you think that somehow correlates to making the entire tournament better then you're being overly optimistic. That's all I'm saying. That's it. You're right. His hippie self will probably just start rolling doobies with Benjamins. If you think that all he would do with the money from 100,000 subscribers is increase the prize pool, you're a moron. Not to mention that more prize money means more gamers, and therefore more games and tournaments. Does he need to spell it all out for you? He's not asking for donations, he's giving an incentive and goal to the community to buy the subscription. It's a marketing strategy. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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