MLG Potential Prize Pool Increase - Page 44

On July 31 2011 07:48 Sd9 wrote:


I fail to understand how giving money to esports directly translates into helping esports grow.

On July 31 2011 07:59 Grimjim wrote:

You have to be trolling. This has to be a troll. There is no way you can be this dense.

On July 31 2011 07:27 greendestiny wrote:
Haha, did anyone else notice the subtle undertones in this thread in the vein of "MLG is too big to fail!" and "We must bail it out with our subscriptions!"?

I'm reminded of an article over on ArsTechnica, titled (I paraphrase) "Blocking our ads = stealing" where users were kindly asked if they could "Whitelist our site, because you see, we're having financial difficulties, we can't pay salaries to our staff, and besides, we tested blocking users who have ad blocking, it worked, and you don't want us to do it, now do you?"
But what truly shocked me were elitistic responses from people who forced themselves to watch ads and tried to present it as something good: "Yeah, man I watch ads, I'm so cool, block the damn freeloaders".

I think the same reply I gave there applies here:

If your business (MLG in this case) is struggling financially and eventually does fail, it will be because whoever was in charge, made the wrong decisions, over and over again. It will have absolutely nothing with me, you or neighbor next door not paying to watch it.

Read and re-read the previous parapgraph until it sinks in. It is not your fault MLG is not making enough profit.

And then we have these kinds of posts in this thread:



Dude, you're paying for a service in advance. That's a ripoff in and of itself. Do you have any common sense?
Sundance just said they are struggling with subscriptions. Do you know why is that?
Their free content sucks. I know because I watch it. Do you know what I get?
Low & Medium quality streams with ads and ... That's about it?

To me, that says "Pony up the cash or fuck off".

How on earth is MLG supposed to become popular outside of hardcore SC2 players pool (which you apparently belong to, since you bought MLG pass) if their free content is crappy quality stream with a gray strip taking top 1/5 of the screen?

I don't care that much about quality, as long as video isn't choppy and audio quality is decent, I think I can watch just about anything. In fact, I neither have the hardware nor bandwidth for High quality (720p on Youtube is unwatchable for me, 480p is ok). But for spoiled Westerner, if it isn't 1080p, he won't even bother with it (I'm aware you can see this as possible stereotype, but I think it's generally correct).

Imagine some casual player, he never played SC2, but heard of it from his friends, thinking to himself "Hey, MLG, let's see what this is about ... oh nice, free stream ... wtf quality"
*closes tab*
and never looks back. That's a potential subscriber lost for good.

If I were able to make decisions related to MLG, I would make Low & Medium & High & Ultra quality streams available for free, and have premium content for paying subscribers (interviews with players, post-game analysis, mail notifications, VODs whatever). I would forgo short-term profit for long-term advertisement and word of mouth between people who never before played SC saying to one another "Man, they have Ultra quality stream for free, imagine what they have for paying subscribers" or "I have nothing else to do, but I'm gonna watch MLG even though I don't know what this SC is, just because it's free Ultra quality".

But, but, but, greendestiny, you live in a fantasy land where money grows on trees. This isn't how businesses work

This is how I would make it and may heavens fall.
And I'm sure subscription base would explode.

On July 31 2011 08:08 Sd9 wrote:
I'm done posting. It's not our responsibility to make sure MLG stays alive. That's all I'm saying. Yes I want him to spell it out, that's his job. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I can handle haters but when the white knights appear, that's when I calls it quits.

iNcontroL if you read this: <3

On July 31 2011 08:14 Sd9 wrote:


I lied. This will be my last post.

It's not helping esports grow. It's helping esports stay afloat. You could think that in the long term it helps it grow because it guarantees its survival but that's terrible business logic. Sundance is desperate, it seems, and if that's the case then he is asking us to do something without giving us any incentive to do so in order to make sure that MLG exists.

That's bullshit.

On July 31 2011 08:14 Sd9 wrote:


I lied. This will be my last post.

It's not helping esports grow. It's helping esports stay afloat. You could think that in the long term it helps it grow because it guarantees its survival but that's terrible business logic. Sundance is desperate, it seems, and if that's the case then he is asking us to do something without giving us any incentive to do so in order to make sure that MLG exists.

That's bullshit.

On July 31 2011 08:17 vlf wrote:
Yeah, I sure as hell am gonna subscribe when, all of a sudden, all the MLG streams start lagging like mofos even at medium quality for hours.

Get real.

On July 31 2011 08:17 Grimjim wrote:

Who is we? The spectators? How else is MLG supposed to grow if the entire viewership simply took and gave nothing back? If you don't want to pay, don't fucking pay. It's that simple! It's what I'm doing, simply because I don't watch enough to warrant that purchase. But to those on the fence, this provides a good incentive.

He did spell it out! More subscribers means more money and more prizes! What the hell is so hard to understand? He's not forcing people to, and he's not threatening to suplex our mothers if we don't.

You speak of haters as if you aren't one. And just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a "white knight". If anything, your blind defense of iNcontroL's silly opinion makes YOU the white knight.

You should apply critical thinking before entering discussions, instead of leaping onto Geoff's bandwagon of hate, jealousy, and angst.

On July 31 2011 08:19 Makotoo wrote:

If you don't think a HD stream for however long you buy it for is worth it, dont buy it. No need to come here and whine if you personally think it's not good enough of a product for you.

On July 31 2011 08:20 Slider954 wrote:


Haven't had any lag yesterday or today and I have 2 streams open at once at all times.

On July 31 2011 08:20 Sd9 wrote:


He threatened to lower the prize pools if that number wasn't met, not the same as suplexing our mothers but it's just as bad. Fuck off.

I'm not a hater, nor am I a white knight. If anything, I'm a black knight.

On July 31 2011 08:23 Sd9 wrote:


I'm not whining. I'm originally in this discussion because people were bandwagon hating on iNcontroL.

On July 31 2011 07:27 greendestiny wrote:
Haha, did anyone else notice the subtle undertones in this thread in the vein of "MLG is too big to fail!" and "We must bail it out with our subscriptions!"?

I'm reminded of an article over on ArsTechnica, titled (I paraphrase) "Blocking our ads = stealing" where users were kindly asked if they could "Whitelist our site, because you see, we're having financial difficulties, we can't pay salaries to our staff, and besides, we tested blocking users who have ad blocking, it worked, and you don't want us to do it, now do you?"
But what truly shocked me were elitistic responses from people who forced themselves to watch ads and tried to present it as something good: "Yeah, man I watch ads, I'm so cool, block the damn freeloaders".

I think the same reply I gave there applies here:

If your business (MLG in this case) is struggling financially and eventually does fail, it will be because whoever was in charge, made the wrong decisions, over and over again. It will have absolutely nothing with me, you or neighbor next door not paying to watch it.

Read and re-read the previous parapgraph until it sinks in. It is not your fault MLG is not making enough profit.

And then we have these kinds of posts in this thread:



Dude, you're paying for a service in advance. That's a ripoff in and of itself. Do you have any common sense?
Sundance just said they are struggling with subscriptions. Do you know why is that?
Their free content sucks. I know because I watch it. Do you know what I get?
Low & Medium quality streams with ads and ... That's about it?

To me, that says "Pony up the cash or fuck off".

How on earth is MLG supposed to become popular outside of hardcore SC2 players pool (which you apparently belong to, since you bought MLG pass) if their free content is crappy quality stream with a gray strip taking top 1/5 of the screen?

I don't care that much about quality, as long as video isn't choppy and audio quality is decent, I think I can watch just about anything. In fact, I neither have the hardware nor bandwidth for High quality (720p on Youtube is unwatchable for me, 480p is ok). But for spoiled Westerner, if it isn't 1080p, he won't even bother with it (I'm aware you can see this as possible stereotype, but I think it's generally correct).

Imagine some casual player, he never played SC2, but heard of it from his friends, thinking to himself "Hey, MLG, let's see what this is about ... oh nice, free stream ... wtf quality"
*closes tab*
and never looks back. That's a potential subscriber lost for good.

If I were able to make decisions related to MLG, I would make Low & Medium & High & Ultra quality streams available for free, and have premium content for paying subscribers (interviews with players, post-game analysis, mail notifications, VODs whatever). I would forgo short-term profit for long-term advertisement and word of mouth between people who never before played SC saying to one another "Man, they have Ultra quality stream for free, imagine what they have for paying subscribers" or "I have nothing else to do, but I'm gonna watch MLG even though I don't know what this SC is, just because it's free Ultra quality".

But, but, but, greendestiny, you live in a fantasy land where money grows on trees. This isn't how businesses work

This is how I would make it and may heavens fall.
And I'm sure subscription base would explode.

On July 31 2011 08:25 Grimjim wrote:

It was a joke! I mentioned this in a previous post! No sane person would threaten to lower prize pools for their most popular sport!

THINK BEFORE YOU POST.

On July 31 2011 08:27 Grimjim wrote:

http://i.imgur.com/OUNUw.jpg

There's bandwagon hatred, and then there's rational criticism.

On July 31 2011 08:30 Sd9 wrote:


He wasn't in the same position as the person he criticized, it was similar but nowhere near the same. Everything he said was valid. That picture is the perfect representation of the ignorance in this thread. Thank you for reposting it.